#MeToo Becomes #LeaveMeAlone

[Vassenor]

Investigating rape cases is dangerous. You heard it here first.

Here's an example of Vassenor deliberately refusing to honestly engage with critics again.

I'm sorry if my ignoring your constant DEBATE ME! is upsetting you, but it's kind of hard to have any sort of debate when you keep running off on tangents about feminist conspiracies every single time..

[Dekerin Domains]

Indeed. The #MeToo movement started with a noble goal, but it's becoming an attack on due process and the fundamental right to a fair trial.

Which you continue to illustrate with examples from before it started.

It's part of a larger trend of men not getting their chance to defend themselves while being harassed, shamed, attacked, and maligned in the press and elsewhere. By the time that it gets to a trial, their lives are ruined, and maybe then they might actually get a chance to defend themselves in court, a bankrupt shell of a man.

Instead of, you know, waiting for a verdict before painting someone with that brush?

[Ostroeuropa]

Here's an example of Vassenor deliberately refusing to honestly engage with critics again.

I'm sorry if my ignoring your constant DEBATE ME! is upsetting you.

It's not just me you're ignoring. There's plenty of people who've pointed this out.

Indeed. The #MeToo movement started with a noble goal, but it's becoming an attack on due process and the fundamental right to a fair trial.

Which you continue to illustrate with examples from before it started.

MeToo involved plenty of cases of talking social awkwardness and casting them as sexual assault. Beyond that it is deliberately disingenuous to act like this campaign pushed and conducted by the same people is different from previous campaigns when the same rhetoric, rationales, and tactics are being used. Rebranding the Klan every time they go out to lynch someone doesn't mean it becomes unfair to note a pattern.

[Ostroeuropa]

From what I can tell, the lesson is that women can randomly accuse anyone they want and be believed, no matter how insane, lacking in evidence, or unfair that might be, and that's now condoned and accepted, the man in question hounded, stripped of his life's work and life's savings, thrown out of college, and jailed without any due process at all. The lesson is that, no matter how nice or good a man is, women have the right to redefine sexual assault or harassment continually on arbitrary, whimsical terms, whenever they feel like it, and get believed at the expense of men. But if a man accuses a woman, of course, then due process suddenly matters.

Just like there's a double standard about male teachers with female students vs. female teachers vs. male students.

The lesson is that men are now second-class citizens with no rights, only privileges that women let them have. Only women are full citizens now. That's the lesson of #MeToo.

Not being an asshole is no protection at all, and those who believe that it is are in for a rude awakening.

If this continues, there is only one way that it will end: a backlash the likes of which the feminists cannot possibly fathom, one which will upend any positive objectives that they have achieved along with the negative ones, and which will bring society back to square one. All of their gains will be erased, just like that. I dare say that it will be a violent one, too, an upheaval, a counter-revolution achieved by deadly force.

I dont think so on that last note. You should probably get off the internet and join real life cuz no one is angry at women over #metoo because in most peoples view its only assholes getting hit.

Plus the only acceptable view for any victim of crime is to investigate all claims as if they are real while maintaining the presumption of innocence for the accused. Courts of public opinion are one thing that's uncontrollable tho and comes with being a public figure.

Polls directly disagree with you. Most people view MeToo negatively.

[Dekerin Domains]

I'm sorry if my ignoring your constant DEBATE ME! is upsetting you.

It's not just me you're ignoring. There's plenty of people who've pointed this out.

Which you continue to illustrate with examples from before it started.

MeToo involved plenty of cases of talking social awkwardness and casting them as sexual assault. Beyond that it is deliberately disingenuous to act like this campaign pushed and conducted by the same people is different from previous campaigns when the same rhetoric, rationales, and tactics are being used. Rebranding the Klan every time they go out to lynch someone doesn't mean it becomes unfair to note a pattern.

Like the Klan, this has ended in lynchings. Just not literal ones.

[Vassenor]

Which you continue to illustrate with examples from before it started.

It's part of a larger trend of men not getting their chance to defend themselves while being harassed, shamed, attacked, and maligned in the press and elsewhere. By the time that it gets to a trial, their lives are ruined, and maybe then they might actually get a chance to defend themselves in court, a bankrupt shell of a man.

Instead of, you know, waiting for a verdict before painting someone with that brush?

So do you have any current examples of that trend continuing?

[Dekerin Domains]

It's part of a larger trend of men not getting their chance to defend themselves while being harassed, shamed, attacked, and maligned in the press and elsewhere. By the time that it gets to a trial, their lives are ruined, and maybe then they might actually get a chance to defend themselves in court, a bankrupt shell of a man.

Instead of, you know, waiting for a verdict before painting someone with that brush?

So do you have any current examples of that trend continuing?

Why do you keep asking for what you've already been given?

[Ostroeuropa]

And what is the lesson to be learned from me #MeToo?


Do not be an asshole? Most already know that and those that don't won't give a shit about #MeToo.

Actions have Reactions.

From what I can tell, the lesson is that women can randomly accuse anyone they want and be believed, no matter how insane, lacking in evidence, or unfair that might be, and that's now condoned and accepted, the man in question hounded, stripped of his life's work and life's savings, thrown out of college, and jailed without any due process at all. The lesson is that, no matter how nice or good a man is, women have the right to redefine sexual assault or harassment continually on arbitrary, whimsical terms, whenever they feel like it, and get believed at the expense of men. But if a man accuses a woman, of course, then due process suddenly matters.

Just like there's a double standard about male teachers with female students vs. female teachers vs. male students.

The lesson is that men are now second-class citizens with no rights, only privileges that women let them have. Only women are full citizens now. That's the lesson of #MeToo.

Not being an asshole is no protection at all, and those who believe that it is are in for a rude awakening.

If this continues, there is only one way that it will end: a backlash the likes of which the feminists cannot possibly fathom, one which will upend any positive objectives that they have achieved along with the negative ones, and which will bring society back to square one. All of their gains will be erased, just like that. I dare say that it will be a violent one, too, an upheaval, a counter-revolution achieved by deadly force.

Violent backlash to enforce control over women is one possible outcome of this continuing feminist trend, yes. It largely depends on how the Romanovs react to the demands of the Octoberists. I don't think any such violent backlash is likely to succeed in its goals, but it will destabilize society and make violence more normal.

[Vassenor]

So do you have any current examples of that trend continuing?

Why do you keep asking for what you've already been given?

I'll take that as a No then.

[Dekerin Domains]

Why do you keep asking for what you've already been given?

I'll take that as a No then.

You've been given repeated examples, both before and after it, and not all of it by me. Ostro and others have said this, among others.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Why do you keep asking for what you've already been given?

I'll take that as a No then.

Have college kangaroo courts stopped, in your opinion?

[Vassenor]

I'll take that as a No then.

Have college kangaroo courts stopped, in your opinion?

What makes it a kangaroo court?

[Dekerin Domains]

From what I can tell, the lesson is that women can randomly accuse anyone they want and be believed, no matter how insane, lacking in evidence, or unfair that might be, and that's now condoned and accepted, the man in question hounded, stripped of his life's work and life's savings, thrown out of college, and jailed without any due process at all. The lesson is that, no matter how nice or good a man is, women have the right to redefine sexual assault or harassment continually on arbitrary, whimsical terms, whenever they feel like it, and get believed at the expense of men. But if a man accuses a woman, of course, then due process suddenly matters.

Just like there's a double standard about male teachers with female students vs. female teachers vs. male students.

The lesson is that men are now second-class citizens with no rights, only privileges that women let them have. Only women are full citizens now. That's the lesson of #MeToo.

Not being an asshole is no protection at all, and those who believe that it is are in for a rude awakening.

If this continues, there is only one way that it will end: a backlash the likes of which the feminists cannot possibly fathom, one which will upend any positive objectives that they have achieved along with the negative ones, and which will bring society back to square one. All of their gains will be erased, just like that. I dare say that it will be a violent one, too, an upheaval, a counter-revolution achieved by deadly force.

Violent backlash to enforce control over women is one possible outcome of this continuing feminist trend, yes. It largely depends on how the Romanovs react to the demands of the Octoberists. I don't think any such violent backlash is likely to succeed in its goals, but it will destabilize society and make violence more normal.

So, to quote Jack Palance from Cops And Robbersons, "We're all just one step away from a lawless society."

[Ostroeuropa]

Why do you keep asking for what you've already been given?

I'll take that as a No then.

Buruma, Louis CK, and arguably Ghomeshi are three exmaples that leap to mind from this operation specifically.

[Dekerin Domains]

Have college kangaroo courts stopped, in your opinion?

What makes it a kangaroo court?

A lack of an acceptable burden of proof. If colleges are going to act like criminal courts, they need to have the same exact standard of due process.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Have college kangaroo courts stopped, in your opinion?

What makes it a kangaroo court?

The fact that it offers a very low burden of proof and often does not allow the accused the same opurtunity to present their side of the story as the accuser.

[Ostroeuropa]

Have college kangaroo courts stopped, in your opinion?

What makes it a kangaroo court?

Burden of proof being functionally on the accused, lack of right to counsel for the accused, lack of cross examination, no duty to disclose exculpatory evidence, among some other things.

[Liriena]

Coming to conclusions without due process is dangerous.

Indeed. The #MeToo movement started with a noble goal, but it's becoming an attack on due process and the fundamental right to a fair trial.

How exactly? Has there been an increase in false criminal convictions directly caused by #MeToo?

[Vassenor]

What makes it a kangaroo court?

A lack of an acceptable burden of proof. If colleges are going to act like criminal courts, they need to have the same exact standard of due process.

Is the burden of proof not still on the accuser to show they were raped?

[Imperializt Russia]

Men holding senior positions in companies could just generally not be shitbags to or around women, then they wouldn't feel like they were "walking on eggshells" around women.

Simple enough.

[Dekerin Domains]

What makes it a kangaroo court?

Burden of proof being functionally on the accused, lack of right to counsel for the accused, lack of cross examination, no duty to disclose exculpatory evidence, among some other things.

Precisely. If you're going to deprive someone of the benefits of a college education and still have them on the hook for student loans, you owe them at least the benefit of a proper, fair, honest, public hearing.

[Ostroeuropa]

Indeed. The #MeToo movement started with a noble goal, but it's becoming an attack on due process and the fundamental right to a fair trial.

How exactly? Has there been an increase in false criminal convictions?

In the UK, there was the collapse of due process in the criminal court system as a direct result of allowing a feminist a position of authority with which she could operate and push her fucked up demands related to this topic, an abuse of human rights she was able to carry out due to MeToo and other campaigns like it.

[Dekerin Domains]

Men holding senior positions in companies could just generally not be shitbags to or around women, then they wouldn't feel like they were "walking on eggshells" around women.

Simple enough.

Boy are you naive, sonny.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

A lack of an acceptable burden of proof. If colleges are going to act like criminal courts, they need to have the same exact standard of due process.

Is the burden of proof not still on the accuser to show they were raped?

Not to the same extent as a criminal court, and council is denied in most cases.

[Vassenor]

What makes it a kangaroo court?

Burden of proof being functionally on the accused, lack of right to counsel for the accused, lack of cross examination, no duty to disclose exculpatory evidence, among some other things.

Oh, are you still playing the "the accused doesn't get to cross examine the accuser personally ergo there is no cross examination" card?