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Just this evening there were three winners announced for football's Ballon D'Or, one for men, one for women and one for under 21 players.. guess which one was asked to twerk.

Bombadil wrote:Just this evening there were three winners announced for football's Ballon D'Or, one for men, one for women and one for under 21 players.. guess which one was asked to twerk.

Say what now?

Bombadil wrote:Just this evening there were three winners announced for football's Ballon D'Or, one for men, one for women and one for under 21 players.. guess which one was asked to twerk.

Wait, Luka Modric was asked to twerk?

Wait, Martin Solveig hosted the awards? As in, the DJ? Awww, man. Why'd you do it, Martin? :/

Kubrath wrote:

Parhe wrote:
You don't have to be a dick or deviant to be accused of sexual misconduct. You're as bad as the Yahoo commenter who assume every young black men who is in the news for being killed had connections to gang violence or drugs.

No, you don't, but the likelihood of that happening is very small. Ya'll are acting as if there's a cabal of women trying to bring about a feminist dystopia.

And your chances of a tornado hitting you in Texas is low, but people still take precautions. That is besides the point. My point is that you are painting people in an extremely negative light because they have fears you feel are unfounded. If these men were doing it to be malicious, or if you were poking fun only as the unfounded fears, it may have been fine, but you are taking advantage of them being extremely cautious (and, no, I don't agree with what they are doing, but they aren't my businesses) to claim they are, well, the things you said in your first post, without actual proof.

Also, who is this y'all? You were talking to me in the first half of the post, but I've said nothing to indicate that there is some sort of feminist dystopia. I even said I support #MeToo in the post you responded to.

#LeaveMeAlone, what a great concept...I wonder if we can apply it universally...

Tbh, I do a more extreme version of this. I don't talk to women at all for fear that something I do might be considered sexual harassment.

Kubrath wrote:

Bombadil wrote:Just this evening there were three winners announced for football's Ballon D'Or, one for men, one for women and one for under 21 players.. guess which one was asked to twerk.

Wait, Luka Modric was asked to twerk?

No, neither Luka Modric nor Kylian M'Bappe were asked to twerk.

I mean.. for me the whole #metoo movement was as much about this sort of stuff, just the daily low level insults that are considered acceptable by people. A female at the top of her professional game, on being awarded, is reduced to being asked if she can twerk in celebration. It's not at the leading edge of rape accusations all the time, just part of dealing with comments on a daily basis.

A bunch of bankers feel threatened in being unable to continue to treat women less as equal professionals and more as objects of sexual jokes.. I really don't think they're a good example of the detrimental effects of the #metoo movement.

Bombadil wrote:

Kubrath wrote:
Wait, Luka Modric was asked to twerk?

No, neither Luka Modric nor Kylian M'Bappe were asked to twerk.

I mean.. for me the whole #metoo movement was as much about this sort of stuff, just the daily low level insults that are considered acceptable by people. A female at the top of her professional game, on being awarded, is reduced to being asked if she can twerk in celebration. It's not at the leading edge of rape accusations all the time, just part of dealing with comments on a daily basis.

A bunch of bankers feel threatened in being unable to continue to treat women less as equal professionals and more as objects of sexual jokes.. I really don't think they're a good example of the detrimental effects of the #metoo movement.

I mean, when we talk about daily low level insults, I get insulted for being a man at least once a week - just something "men don't understand" or "men can't figure out". And that's less than my previous employer, where it was 7-8 times a week. This job is much better, but then again, I had something to do with reworking the antidiscrimination training where I insisted that discrimination against both men and women be part of the training.

They all thought I was ridiculous, but things actually dramatically improved in ~6 months after we added that section.

Bombadil wrote:

Kubrath wrote:
Wait, Luka Modric was asked to twerk?

No, neither Luka Modric nor Kylian M'Bappe were asked to twerk.

I mean.. for me the whole #metoo movement was as much about this sort of stuff, just the daily low level insults that are considered acceptable by people. A female at the top of her professional game, on being awarded, is reduced to being asked if she can twerk in celebration. It's not at the leading edge of rape accusations all the time, just part of dealing with comments on a daily basis.

A bunch of bankers feel threatened in being unable to continue to treat women less as equal professionals and more as objects of sexual jokes.. I really don't think they're a good example of the detrimental effects of the #metoo movement.

So it didn’t happen, you’re just making a point...?

Bombadil wrote:Just this evening there were three winners announced for football's Ballon D'Or, one for men, one for women and one for under 21 players.. guess which one was asked to twerk.

Many women seem to enjoy twerking. I fail to see the issue.

New Mivango wrote:

Senkaku wrote:I mean, Spanish-speaking men also kinda created the term "machismo", so let's not give them too many props for being so woke.

Don't knock machismo. It has a lot going for it, at least in my view.

Speaking as someone who was raised under machismo... nope. It's shit.

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:

Bombadil wrote:
No, neither Luka Modric nor Kylian M'Bappe were asked to twerk.

I mean.. for me the whole #metoo movement was as much about this sort of stuff, just the daily low level insults that are considered acceptable by people. A female at the top of her professional game, on being awarded, is reduced to being asked if she can twerk in celebration. It's not at the leading edge of rape accusations all the time, just part of dealing with comments on a daily basis.

A bunch of bankers feel threatened in being unable to continue to treat women less as equal professionals and more as objects of sexual jokes.. I really don't think they're a good example of the detrimental effects of the #metoo movement.

So it didn’t happen, you’re just making a point...?

The female winner, Ada Hegerberg, was asked if she'd like to twerk.

Kaggeceria wrote:

Bombadil wrote:Just this evening there were three winners announced for football's Ballon D'Or, one for men, one for women and one for under 21 players.. guess which one was asked to twerk.

Many women seem to enjoy twerking. I fail to see the issue.

I'm sure many men do as well, but the male winners weren't asked were they..

New haven america wrote:

Liriena wrote:Because, anecdotally speaking, I've only seen the same attitude in a very small and specific subset of Spanish-speaking men. Namely, middle-aged to boomer-aged chauvinists whose concern is transparently due to them finding their own past behavior questionable in hindsight. Whereas it looks to me (again, anecdotally) like English-speaking men's concerns over #MeToo "going too far" aren't limited to a narrow demographic.

Didn't machismo originate in Spanish speaking countries?

It did... buuuuuut (again, anecdotally) a lot of younger men around these parts are slowly but surely getting at least woke enough that every conversation about misogyny doesn't get drowned by their suspiciously defensive screeching. Some nice deconstruction going on.

Unfortunately, for every ten guys who get woke, there's at least one piece of shit who went in the opposite direction because some shouty man on Youtube said "feminism is cancer".

Parhe wrote:

Kubrath wrote:
No, you don't, but the likelihood of that happening is very small. Ya'll are acting as if there's a cabal of women trying to bring about a feminist dystopia.

And your chances of a tornado hitting you in Texas is low, but people still take precautions. That is besides the point. My point is that you are painting people in an extremely negative light because they have fears you feel are unfounded. If these men were doing it to be malicious, or if you were poking fun only as the unfounded fears, it may have been fine, but you are taking advantage of them being extremely cautious (and, no, I don't agree with what they are doing, but they aren't my businesses) to claim they are, well, the things you said in your first post, without actual proof.

Also, who is this y'all? You were talking to me in the first half of the post, but I've said nothing to indicate that there is some sort of feminist dystopia. I even said I support #MeToo in the post you responded to.

Oh, don't get me wrong. The guys who are afraid, and for whom that Bloomberg article is about (hint: it's not about middle or working class folks), have very good foundations for that fear. They know who they are, they know what they've done and they can't cope with it. So rather than rethink their views and actions, they opt to isolate women completely, because that's easier than actually re-evaluating themselves. And proof, really? Those are the same guys who got away with it during the 2008 crisis. If they lack basic human decency not to fuck over the entire planet, which they do on a daily basis, I'm fairly certain they lack basic etiquette, too. I'm not even for a second gonna consider this as anything but overblown, to massive proportions.

And this "ya'll" means "you all", as in, "you all who are complaining about something which likely has very little relevance to your actual experience".

Bombadil wrote:

Kubrath wrote:
Wait, Luka Modric was asked to twerk?

No, neither Luka Modric nor Kylian M'Bappe were asked to twerk.

That's a shame.

Bombadil wrote:

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
So it didn’t happen, you’re just making a point...?

The female winner, Ada Hegerberg, was asked if she'd like to twerk.

Kaggeceria wrote:Many women seem to enjoy twerking. I fail to see the issue.

I'm sure many men do as well, but the male winners weren't asked were they..

Because it's a female thing, a fact which many women have happily embraced.

Kaggeceria wrote:

Bombadil wrote:
The female winner, Ada Hegerberg, was asked if she'd like to twerk.



I'm sure many men do as well, but the male winners weren't asked were they..

Because it's a female thing, a fact which many women have happily embraced.

How the hell is twerking a female thing?

It is an abhorrent thing that shouldn't exist for either sex.

Kaggeceria wrote:

Bombadil wrote:
The female winner, Ada Hegerberg, was asked if she'd like to twerk.



I'm sure many men do as well, but the male winners weren't asked were they..

Because it's a female thing, a fact which many women have happily embraced.

You're careering into incel territory, mate.

Kubrath wrote:

Parhe wrote:And your chances of a tornado hitting you in Texas is low, but people still take precautions. That is besides the point. My point is that you are painting people in an extremely negative light because they have fears you feel are unfounded. If these men were doing it to be malicious, or if you were poking fun only as the unfounded fears, it may have been fine, but you are taking advantage of them being extremely cautious (and, no, I don't agree with what they are doing, but they aren't my businesses) to claim they are, well, the things you said in your first post, without actual proof.

Also, who is this y'all? You were talking to me in the first half of the post, but I've said nothing to indicate that there is some sort of feminist dystopia. I even said I support #MeToo in the post you responded to.

Oh, don't get me wrong. The guys who are afraid, and for whom that Bloomberg article is about (hint: it's not about middle or working class folks), have very good foundations for that fear. They know who they are, they know what they've done and they can't cope with it. So rather than rethink their views and actions, they opt to isolate women completely, because that's easier than actually re-evaluating themselves. And proof, really? Those are the same guys who got away with it during the 2008 crisis. If they lack basic human decency not to fuck over the entire planet, which they do on a daily basis, I'm fairly certain they lack basic etiquette, too. I'm not even for a second gonna consider this as anything but overblown, to massive proportions.

And this "ya'll" means "you all", as in, "you all who are complaining about something which likely has very little relevance to your actual experience".

I'd like the actual evidence for your conspiracy regarding most of these senior executives before moving forward.

Parhe wrote:

Kubrath wrote:
Oh, don't get me wrong. The guys who are afraid, and for whom that Bloomberg article is about (hint: it's not about middle or working class folks), have very good foundations for that fear. They know who they are, they know what they've done and they can't cope with it. So rather than rethink their views and actions, they opt to isolate women completely, because that's easier than actually re-evaluating themselves. And proof, really? Those are the same guys who got away with it during the 2008 crisis. If they lack basic human decency not to fuck over the entire planet, which they do on a daily basis, I'm fairly certain they lack basic etiquette, too. I'm not even for a second gonna consider this as anything but overblown, to massive proportions.

And this "ya'll" means "you all", as in, "you all who are complaining about something which likely has very little relevance to your actual experience".

I'd like the actual evidence for your conspiracy regarding most of these senior executives before moving forward.

Sure, but first provide actual evidence that any of this is a massive problem that we should be worried about. Once you provide that, I'll happily provide you with the evidence you requested.

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:

Kaggeceria wrote:Because it's a female thing, a fact which many women have happily embraced.

How the hell is twerking a female thing?

It is an abhorrent thing that shouldn't exist for either sex.

I don't know if it's an abhorrent thing, if people want to do it then fine, it's simply an example of being treated differently in the professional working space as a female compared to the males who were simply celebrated for their footballing prowess.

Kubrath wrote:

Kaggeceria wrote:Because it's a female thing, a fact which many women have happily embraced.

You're careering into incel territory, mate.

Not really. I'm not calling the women who do it sluts and whores so I'm still clear of... that.

Kubrath wrote:

Parhe wrote:I'd like the actual evidence for your conspiracy regarding most of these senior executives before moving forward.

Sure, but first provide actual evidence that any of this is a massive problem that we should be worried about. Once you provide that, I'll happily provide you with the evidence you requested.

Um, my own post said that I don't agree with what they are doing. So why do I have to make up evidence for something I disagree with?

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:

Kaggeceria wrote:Because it's a female thing, a fact which many women have happily embraced.

How the hell is twerking a female thing?

It is an abhorrent thing that shouldn't exist for either sex.

Just seems to be mostly women doing it, at least in my experience.