#MeToo Becomes #LeaveMeAlone

[Galloism]

and a few of men making claims against women.

It's worth note that these men were generally harassed, told to shut up, told it wasn't their time to speak, there might be time to take up their cause later, and, in at least one case, accused of rape by the person he #metoo'd about.

But sure, it was a completely gender neutral thing that had no implications and didn't have a gender-based shaming followup of #howiwillchange that was supposed to be taken up by men of all stripes or they were terrible. I probably just completely imagined all that.

[Jello Biafra]

and a few of men making claims against women.

It's worth note that these men were generally harassed, told to shut up, told it wasn't their time to speak, there might be time to take up their cause later,

Generally harassed, or harassed by some small section of people, in the same way that many of the women who've made #metoo statements have been told to shut up?

and, in at least one case, accused of rape by the person he #metoo'd about.

Not fundamentally different from Weinstein saying every woman he had sex with wanted it.

But sure, it was a completely gender neutral thing that had no implications and didn't have a gender-based shaming followup of #howiwillchange that was supposed to be taken up by men of all stripes or they were terrible. I probably just completely imagined all that.

#howiwillchange was taken up by some men by their own choosing and the reactions to this were not universally that it should be "taken up by men of all stripes or they were terrible".

[Galloism]

It's worth note that these men were generally harassed, told to shut up, told it wasn't their time to speak, there might be time to take up their cause later,

Generally harassed, or harassed by some small section of people, in the same way that many of the women who've made #metoo statements have been told to shut up?

Generally harassed.

and, in at least one case, accused of rape by the person he #metoo'd about.

Not fundamentally different from Weinstein saying every woman he had sex with wanted it.

There's something fundamentally different between facing accusations of rape vs facing accusations that you consented. That's a false equivalence.

"Hey totes, I'm saying I did nothing wrong because you were into it and there's nothing wrong with that" is not the same as "Hey totes, I'm the victim and you raped me!"

But sure, it was a completely gender neutral thing that had no implications and didn't have a gender-based shaming followup of #howiwillchange that was supposed to be taken up by men of all stripes or they were terrible. I probably just completely imagined all that.

#howiwillchange was taken up by some men by their own choosing and the reactions to this were not universally that it should be "taken up by men of all stripes or they were terrible".

Yes, men who refused to admit a fault were cast as villains in denial.

But sure, this is a totally neutral thing. No sexist gender based implications of villainy at all.

[Jello Biafra]

Generally harassed, or harassed by some small section of people, in the same way that many of the women who've made #metoo statements have been told to shut up?

Generally harassed.

I'm going to need to see a source on this.

Not fundamentally different from Weinstein saying every woman he had sex with wanted it.

There's something fundamentally different between facing accusations of rape vs facing accusations that you consented. That's a false equivalence.

"Hey totes, I'm saying I did nothing wrong because you were into it and there's nothing wrong with that" is not the same as "Hey totes, I'm the victim and you raped me!"

"I didn't do it, you're lying" is essentially the same as "I didn't do it, you're lying."

#howiwillchange was taken up by some men by their own choosing and the reactions to this were not universally that it should be "taken up by men of all stripes or they were terrible".

Yes, men who refused to admit a fault were cast as villains in denial.

But sure, this is a totally neutral thing. No sexist gender based implications of villainy at all.

In this article I see

"Among all the men reflecting on ways in which they can make the world a safer, happier place for women, there are plenty of men (usually with cartoons as their profile pictures) who are claiming that they don’t need to do anything because they’re already perfect."

Where are you getting an implication of villainy against men who weren't participating in #howiwillchange?

[The Canadian Confederacy of Provinces]

If a movement based upon "listen and believe" without the need for evidence before careers & lives are destroyed long before any inquiry too the claims; why is anyone surprised that decent men are terrified of false accusations.
Furthermore why shouldn't decent men take sensible precautions, even if that means adopting the "Pence method".
Oh yes thats right decent men are still oppressive, and protecting yourself against false accusations is just proof of that!!

[Galloism]

Generally harassed.

I'm going to need to see a source on this.

I take it you don't read twitter.

There's something fundamentally different between facing accusations of rape vs facing accusations that you consented. That's a false equivalence.

"Hey totes, I'm saying I did nothing wrong because you were into it and there's nothing wrong with that" is not the same as "Hey totes, I'm the victim and you raped me!"

"I didn't do it, you're lying" is essentially the same as "I didn't do it, you're lying."

This is possibly the worst false equivalence I've ever heard.

That's a bit like saying "Bob gave me $200 loan so it wasn't theft" with "Bob is a Jew and stole the money from us good Aryans to start with, so it's not wrong to take it back from him", because "there's nothing wrong with that" is essentially the same as "there's nothing wrong with that."

Yes, men who refused to admit a fault were cast as villains in denial.

But sure, this is a totally neutral thing. No sexist gender based implications of villainy at all.

In this article I see

"Among all the men reflecting on ways in which they can make the world a safer, happier place for women, there are plenty of men (usually with cartoons as their profile pictures) who are claiming that they don’t need to do anything because they’re already perfect."

Where are you getting an implication of villainy against men who weren't participating in #howiwillchange?

Right here.

While obviously not all men are actively, consciously choosing to be sexist, a terrifyingly large number of them keep quiet when they see sexist things happening, and they all straight-up benefit from living as men in a society that favors men and undermines (or outright oppresses) women at every turn.

A companion hashtag campaign, #HowIWillChange, popped up alongside #MeToo, which men used to share how they planned to combat sexism.

[Costa Fierro]

What was the excuse for upper management viewing women as a liability and isolating them in the workplace before #Metoo?

There wasn't any excuse, because any perception of liabilities and isolation was on the feminists who were resentful for making the wrong life decisions and not becoming career women.

[Vassenor]

If a movement based upon "listen and believe" without the need for evidence before careers & lives are destroyed long before any inquiry too the claims; why is anyone surprised that decent men are terrified of false accusations.
Furthermore why shouldn't decent men take sensible precautions, even if that means adopting the "Pence method".
Oh yes thats right decent men are still oppressive, and protecting yourself against false accusations is just proof of that!!

I'm impressed. Every word in that sentence was wrong.

[Costa Fierro]

If a movement based upon "listen and believe" without the need for evidence before careers & lives are destroyed long before any inquiry too the claims; why is anyone surprised that decent men are terrified of false accusations.
Furthermore why shouldn't decent men take sensible precautions, even if that means adopting the "Pence method".
Oh yes thats right decent men are still oppressive, and protecting yourself against false accusations is just proof of that!!

I'm impressed. Every word in that sentence was wrong.

It wasn't. Every sentence came to the right conclusion and said the right things.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm impressed. Every word in that sentence was wrong.

It wasn't. Every sentence came to the right conclusion and said the right things.

If you split your time equally between here and r/braincels, sure.

[Vassenor]

I'm impressed. Every word in that sentence was wrong.

It wasn't. Every sentence came to the right conclusion and said the right things.

For your narrative. For reality, not so much.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

It wasn't. Every sentence came to the right conclusion and said the right things.

If you split your time equally between here and r/braincels, sure.

Ah yes, the "F-Fucking i-incel, amirite guys!?" reply.

A classic!

[Ostroeuropa]

It wasn't. Every sentence came to the right conclusion and said the right things.

If you split your time equally between here and r/braincels, sure.

Which specific elements were wrong and how, and what is your evidence for that.

[Des-Bal]

If you split your time equally between here and r/braincels, sure.

Yeah he sounds like a jewqueer cuck incel! Sorry I had to go through the rolodex to figure out who we were associating people with in lieu of arguing against them.

For your narrative. For reality, not so much.

And yet another response that says nothing.

[West Leas Oros 2]

What are we talking about here?

[Vassenor]

Besides, if the logic involved in this thread's premise got any more tortured, you'd be calling in the ICC.

Because apparently because a handful of rape cases turned out to involve false accusations, and a handful of the rape cases that turned out to involve false accusations were malicious, then you should assume that all women secretly want to falsely and maliciously accuse you of rape because reasons.

And somehow this isn't just as sexist as saying that all men secretly want to rape women.

[Des-Bal]

Besides, if the logic involved in this thread's premise got any more tortured, you'd be calling in the ICC.

Because apparently because a handful of rape cases turned out to involve false accusations, and a handful of the rape cases that turned out to involve false accusations were malicious, then you should assume that all women secretly want to falsely and maliciously accuse you of rape because reasons.

And somehow this isn't just as sexist as saying that all men secretly want to rape women.

Quote please.

What are we talking about here?

The #Metoo movement and it's tendency to assume the guilt of someone accused has led to some people distancing themselves from women in a professional context.

[Estanglia]

Besides, if the logic involved in this thread's premise got any more tortured, you'd be calling in the ICC.

Because apparently because a handful of rape cases turned out to involve false accusations, and a handful of the rape cases that turned out to involve false accusations were malicious, then you should assume that all women secretly want to falsely and maliciously accuse you of rape because reasons.

And somehow this isn't just as sexist as saying that all men secretly want to rape women.

Could you provide a quote expressing this logic?

[Vassenor]

Besides, if the logic involved in this thread's premise got any more tortured, you'd be calling in the ICC.

Because apparently because a handful of rape cases turned out to involve false accusations, and a handful of the rape cases that turned out to involve false accusations were malicious, then you should assume that all women secretly want to falsely and maliciously accuse you of rape because reasons.

And somehow this isn't just as sexist as saying that all men secretly want to rape women.

Could you provide a quote expressing this logic?

You mean aside from this thread being based on the idea that you should not associate with women because they'll accuse you of raping them?

[Des-Bal]

You mean aside from this thread being based on the idea that you should not associate with women because they'll accuse you of raping them?

Would you like to quote the OP? That's an option. Quote where the OP says this

"Because apparently because a handful of rape cases turned out to involve false accusations, and a handful of the rape cases that turned out to involve false accusations were malicious, then you should assume that all women secretly want to falsely and maliciously accuse you of rape because reasons."

[New Rogernomics]

and a few of men making claims against women.

It's worth note that these men were generally harassed, told to shut up, told it wasn't their time to speak, there might be time to take up their cause later, and, in at least one case, accused of rape by the person he #metoo'd about.

But sure, it was a completely gender neutral thing that had no implications and didn't have a gender-based shaming followup of #howiwillchange that was supposed to be taken up by men of all stripes or they were terrible. I probably just completely imagined all that.

If I've learned anything from the #MeToo debate, it is that outrage is no substitute for having a legal process to follow, having concrete evidence presented, and having real charges laid.

If there is rape, it should be reported immediately, and the Mental Health and Police resources should be available to enable that.

If there is sexual harassment, then a company or institution shouldn't wait on it and pretend it doesn't exist, and instead should set up regular internal training to prevent a similar thing occurring again.

If there is severe sexual harassment going on, that shouldn't be kept 'in house', and it should be reported to the Police, and if possible with support from the employer or institution.

Right now...rape kits are being destroyed, and the legal process clearly isn't working.

[Ethel mermania]

I...don’t think he was saying anything about a left-wing mob at all. Slow down, fam.

It's kind of implied when citing Blazing Saddles as an example, because it's basically become the lamest of clichés for people who desperately want to use the n-word and think Blazing Saddles made it okay. Also, these dorks.

I grant I may have jumped to conclusions.

Mel Brooks has said he could not make blazing saddles today.

https://variety.com/2017/film/news/mel- ... 202568893/

[Liriena]

It's kind of implied when citing Blazing Saddles as an example, because it's basically become the lamest of clichés for people who desperately want to use the n-word and think Blazing Saddles made it okay. Also, these dorks.

I grant I may have jumped to conclusions.

Mel Brooks has said he could not make blazing saddles today.

https://variety.com/2017/film/news/mel- ... 202568893/

Goddammit Mel :/

[Luminesa]

Mel Brooks has said he could not make blazing saddles today.

https://variety.com/2017/film/news/mel- ... 202568893/

Goddammit Mel :/

Well he’s not wrong, he probably could not make it now.

[Liriena]

Goddammit Mel :/

Well he’s not wrong, he probably could not make it now.

If a dumpster fire like Crash can get made these days, so can Blazing Saddles.