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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:25 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
What?


#LeaveMeAlone becomes #PsychoExGirlfriendAccusesMeOfRapeToSabotageMarriageToSecondWife

#MakeGileadReal
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:25 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:He's the real victim, not those lying sluts he banged like an alpha stud. *nod*


What are you doing?

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Watch a second show.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:51 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
#LeaveMeAlone becomes #PsychoExGirlfriendAccusesMeOfRapeToSabotageMarriageToSecondWife

#MakeGileadReal

#ReadBetterBooks
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Postby Dekerin Domains » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:52 pm

So, Vassenor speaks vaguely of another solution, but doesn't provide one, presumably because she doesn't want one to actually happen. She wants false accusations to go unchecked, because any kind of penalty for making them would necessarily risk a chilling effect on legitimate ones. Gotcha. It has a bit of a chilling effect on me, but I get it. She'd rather a hundred innocent men get railroaded than risk one guilty one going free.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:54 pm


The registry is a garbage program anyway. It shouldn't exist.

People can plea out of many major crimes. Believe it or not, it's a perk of the system and not a flaw.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:56 pm

Dekerin Domains wrote:So, Vassenor speaks vaguely of another solution, but doesn't provide one, presumably because she doesn't want one to actually happen. She wants false accusations to go unchecked, because any kind of penalty for making them would necessarily risk a chilling effect on legitimate ones. Gotcha. It has a bit of a chilling effect on me, but I get it. She'd rather a hundred innocent men get railroaded than risk one guilty one going free.


Oh wow, did you pull something reaching that hard?

Especially after I said out loud for all to see that a malicious false accusation should result in actual criminal charges.
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Postby Dekerin Domains » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:58 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Dekerin Domains wrote:So, Vassenor speaks vaguely of another solution, but doesn't provide one, presumably because she doesn't want one to actually happen. She wants false accusations to go unchecked, because any kind of penalty for making them would necessarily risk a chilling effect on legitimate ones. Gotcha. It has a bit of a chilling effect on me, but I get it. She'd rather a hundred innocent men get railroaded than risk one guilty one going free.


Oh wow, did you pull something reaching that hard?

Especially after I said out loud for all to see that a malicious false accusation should result in actual criminal charges.


For which they would get more due process than their victim got, I assume. I can gather that they won't be able to plea down the charges to nothing, given that women typically get far lighter sentences than men?
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:01 pm

Dekerin Domains wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Oh wow, did you pull something reaching that hard?

Especially after I said out loud for all to see that a malicious false accusation should result in actual criminal charges.


For which they would get more due process than their victim got, I assume. I can gather that they won't be able to plea down the charges to nothing, given that women typically get far lighter sentences than men?


So we're back to you looking to be vindictive again.
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Postby Dekerin Domains » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:07 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Dekerin Domains wrote:
For which they would get more due process than their victim got, I assume. I can gather that they won't be able to plea down the charges to nothing, given that women typically get far lighter sentences than men?


So we're back to you looking to be vindictive again.


No, we're looking back to there being consequences for crimes such as falsely accusing people. When we prosecute murderers, arsonists, rapists, etc. are we being vindictive then? If it's a crime to falsely accuse, treat it like all other crimes. No special privilege for false accusers. Otherwise, it will just keep happening.....a lot! Apparently, you claim to believe in consequences, but when someone suggests a particular penalty, you shy away from it.

If someone is innocent of the crime of which you accuse him, to accuse him is in itself a criminal act, aggravated if you commit perjury in the process. It can and should carry serious criminal as well as civil penalties, especially in the interests of both justice and deterrence. In other words, false accusers are criminals and should be treated as such, just like murderers, thieves, robbers, burglars, arsonists, child molesters, and rapists.

So, by the way, do you deny that women get more lenient sentences than men on average?
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:07 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
So in your opinion someone who maliciously makes false accusation should face absolutely no consequences?

edit: See other people can do the minimal engagement single question post too.


Oh hey, something I didn't actually say. And just for the sake of being vindictive. Real smooth.

Ironic, innit?

Petrasylvania wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
#LeaveMeAlone becomes #PsychoExGirlfriendAccusesMeOfRapeToSabotageMarriageToSecondWife

#MakeGileadReal

You're more annoying than those Twitter leftists who make stilted comparisons to Harry Potter.

Anyway, in regards to the thread topic, I expected as much tbh and can't blame them. In their position, I'd likely do the exact same thing.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:10 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Dekerin Domains wrote:
For which they would get more due process than their victim got, I assume. I can gather that they won't be able to plea down the charges to nothing, given that women typically get far lighter sentences than men?


So we're back to you looking to be vindictive again.

Wanting equality that you pretend to support is vindictive?
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:12 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So we're back to you looking to be vindictive again.

Wanting equality that you pretend to support is vindictive?

Women shutting up no matter what is equality?
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:14 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So we're back to you looking to be vindictive again.

Wanting equality that you pretend to support is vindictive?


How dare rape accusers be given an equal right to be treated as innocent until proven guilty.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:16 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:Wanting equality that you pretend to support is vindictive?


How dare rape accusers be given an equal right to be treated as innocent until proven guilty.

What the fuck does innocent until proven guilty have to do with the lost you were responding to?
Dekerin Domains wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Oh wow, did you pull something reaching that hard?

Especially after I said out loud for all to see that a malicious false accusation should result in actual criminal charges.


For which they would get more due process than their victim got, I assume. I can gather that they won't be able to plea down the charges to nothing, given that women typically get far lighter sentences than men?

He wants women to receive equal prison sentences to men.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:16 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:Wanting equality that you pretend to support is vindictive?

Women shutting up no matter what is equality?

You and Vass are both shit at actually following conversations. Try harder.
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Postby South Ccanda » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:32 pm

Dekerin Domains wrote:So, Vassenor speaks vaguely of another solution, but doesn't provide one, presumably because she doesn't want one to actually happen. She wants false accusations to go unchecked, because any kind of penalty for making them would necessarily risk a chilling effect on legitimate ones. Gotcha. It has a bit of a chilling effect on me, but I get it. She'd rather a hundred innocent men get railroaded than risk one guilty one going free.

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:32 pm

South Ccanda wrote:
Dekerin Domains wrote:So, Vassenor speaks vaguely of another solution, but doesn't provide one, presumably because she doesn't want one to actually happen. She wants false accusations to go unchecked, because any kind of penalty for making them would necessarily risk a chilling effect on legitimate ones. Gotcha. It has a bit of a chilling effect on me, but I get it. She'd rather a hundred innocent men get railroaded than risk one guilty one going free.

#BelieveWomen


Once again misinterpreting what that means.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:34 pm

Vassenor wrote:
South Ccanda wrote:#BelieveWomen


Once again misinterpreting what that means.

#They'reALLLyingSluts
Crimes committed by Muslims will be proof of a pan-Islamic plot and Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand, crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of mentally ill lone wolves who do not represent their professed belief system at all.
The probability of someone secretly participating in homosexual acts is directly proportional to the frequency and loudness of their publicly professed disapproval and/or disgust for homosexuality.
If Donald Trump accuses an individual of malfeasance without evidence, it is almost a certainty either he or someone associated with him has in fact committed that very same malfeasance to a greater degree.

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Postby South Ccanda » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:35 pm

Vassenor wrote:
South Ccanda wrote:#BelieveWomen


Once again misinterpreting what that means.

#IReplyToObviousSarcasticStrawmen
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:37 pm

South Ccanda wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Once again misinterpreting what that means.

#IReplyToObviousSarcasticStrawmen


Fair.
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Postby South Ccanda » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:41 pm

Vassenor wrote:
South Ccanda wrote:#IReplyToObviousSarcasticStrawmen


Fair.

lol but in all seriousness, what would be a better alternative?
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Postby New Albion and Alba » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:41 pm

Well, what penalty do you offer that you don't then take back with the next hand, Vass?
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:54 pm

New Albion and Alba wrote:Well, what penalty do you offer that you don't then take back with the next hand, Vass?


When have I taken back bringing them up on criminal charges?
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Postby Late Roman Empire » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:02 pm

Vassenor wrote:
New Albion and Alba wrote:Well, what penalty do you offer that you don't then take back with the next hand, Vass?


When have I taken back bringing them up on criminal charges?


When it got to actual sentencing, it seems that you want to go soft on them.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:03 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:They'reALLLyingSluts

Who said that. Quote them.
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