#MeToo Becomes #LeaveMeAlone

[Vassenor]

The feminists worst nightmare is the current state of affairs for men, including imprisonment for failure to do what is demanded of them. But no, misandry doesn't real and so on.

Nah, the feminist's worst nightmare is when men start rejecting gender roles.

Why would the movement campaigning for an end to traditional gender roles have a problem with the end of traditional gender roles?

[Ccanda]

(Actually-Fun) Fun fact:Roman Senators did that, it’s called “To quequo” (lit. you also), though some call it a logical fallacy.

Also, Vassenor, there have been some other posts addressed to you previously. I don’t necessarily agree with them, but good will rests on not ignoring the posts you dislike.

I'm unsure I'll get a reply to my post telling her to do her homework before making broad statements, because she's still making broad statements.

Good luck wit that, mate

[Vassenor]

I'm unsure I'll get a reply to my post telling her to do her homework before making broad statements, because she's still making broad statements.

Good luck wit that, mate

When did I become the subject of the thread, anyway?

[Liriena]

Go watch game of thrones

Hot take: the gender politics of the show are garbage and miss a lot of the good stuff in the novels. I'm still kinda pissed about how they apparently made Asha Greyjoy a lesbian, because her straight relationship with Qarl the Maid in the novels was actually very interesting and was arguably more progressive (in terms of encouraging a critical perspective of gender roles and such) than just straight up making her just another wench-ravishing viking.

[Ccanda]

Good luck wit that, mate

When did I become the subject of the thread, anyway?

oh, easy. off topic threadjack. lets get back on topic, shall we?

[Liriena]

Nah, the feminist's worst nightmare is when men start rejecting gender roles.

Why would the movement campaigning for an end to traditional gender roles have a problem with the end of traditional gender roles?

Something something forced parenthood something something family courts?

[Ostroeuropa]

Nah, the feminist's worst nightmare is when men start rejecting gender roles.

Au contraire.

Be gay, do crime, wear make up, talk about your feelings, appropriate pink and fuscia, don't get pressured into sex because it's expected of you, be kindergarden teachers and househusbands, let your girlfriend pay for dinner, etc.

If feminism were legitimately in favor of those things rather than merely a bunch of people conned by a hate movement into believing its PR claims and the bigots conning them, it wouldn't pull the shit it does like male tears and demonizing men for talking about their fears nor their feelings about women, it wouldn't dominate the discussion with one sided demonization of men on the issue of sex and it wouldn't tolerate shit like Ellen Degeneras celebrating international mens day by going ""wah wah, what about the menz" and then going over her list of the hottest men in the US, it wouldn't be chock full of people who constantly claim their opponents are incels and virgins and unsuccessful with women and thats why they hold their views, it wouldn't demonize mens sexuality and stack shit in favor of women gaining custody and constantly vilify men as predators with the result of driving them out of education, and it wouldn't (According to the UCAS leader who just left, and MANY other observers) be the main reason the boys crisis in education isn't being fixed.

*Sigh*

You can't say silly shit like feminism is for equality when they're the movement that has lobbied and campaigned to induce a decades long fearmongering campaign about MUSLIM TERRORISTS 24/7 and only occasionally said "yeah other people can be terrorists do but that's derailing the discussion, but right now we're gonna talk about MUSLIMS MUSLIM TERRORISTS MUSLIMS, here, pass this authoritarian bullshit please. MUSLIM TERRORISTS, ITS SOMETHING ABOUT EM. They do it cos of Islam, that's what causes terrorism, the muslimness! HEY, FUCK YOU, don't end this news cycle yet, not without yet another months long rant about MUSLIM TERRORISTS!!!!! Dont you know ALL muslims are people we should worry might be terrorists?! That's the awful reality of being an American these days, we're so oppressed, we have to live in fear of you because of what you're doing to us!"

See;
Rape
Domestic Violence
etc.

You can't say ridiculous shit like feminism is an equality movement when this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_lacrosse_case

Happened, and then we spent 12 years saying;
"You guys are sexist authoritarians. You're sexist authortiarians. This thing you're campaigning for and demanding happen is sexist authoritarianism. You hate men. Watch out guys, these guys are sexist authoritarians, we need to stop them. The feminist movement is sexist and authortiarian. Just look, watch them be sexist authoritarians. They're sexist authoritarians." and your movement denied it and said "Its an equality movement ur wrong! u hate wimminz!" just like you're STILL doing now (You have learned fuck all even after decades of this happening) and gaslit everybody and DARVO'd and refused to take ANY criticism on board or spend even a fucking second caring about men, and managed to finally violate peoples due process rights and fuck things up so badly by terrorizing everyone into compliance through psychological abuse and obstinance, and leveraging the power they wield in institutions, fucking things up til male rape victims are getting expelled. (A good example of why CEOs have had enough and are justifiably just going to segregate themselves. Personally I wish they'd just hang up "No feminist" signs and not hire any of you, the majority of the public hates feminists so much that even with their control over the media their attempts to force people to buy "Woke" products constantly backfire.)

Your delusions about what feminists "campaign" for? Aren't feminism. They don't campaign for those things. They haven't happened. Know what has happened?

A shit tone of really fucked up misandrist shite that you guys let happen because you keep believing a pack of lies told by sociopaths and lending them your support.

Even you guys keep spreading their toxic memes where you can't be FORCED into acknowledging they are fucked up and wrong, the best you've got is "I am prepared to jettison a sexist viewpoint my movement actively campaigns for and supports when confronted with overwhelming and undeniable evidence", but you're still the kind of people who sneer and go about deliberately downplaying the issue of false accusations because the sophistry and word games the sociopaths fed you haven't been conclusively and undeniably debunked yet, and you'd rather err on the side of men being harmed than not whenever you possibly can.

You are active roadblocks to equality and make things worse constantly. But you still make such ridiculous claims about yourselves. Can't you just be more honest like the white supremacists? Honestly, would it be so hard?

Jesus christ Lir, if you're an equality movement, then the shit you call Misogyny is the way to go. At least then half the time, it wouldn't be sexist, and that's a 50% improvement over your crap.

How about you answer me a really simple, basic fucking question Lir, if you can, I promise, i'll stop treating this claim of yours like it's so laughable that your movement should be treated like a punchline.

Is there ANY TIME in the history of your movement, where the mens rights movements criticism of what you were doing and what was wrong with you, was incorrect? ANY time at all.

It's all well and good to modernize slowly like the White fucking Moderates you are, but look at the history of it. Have you EVER ONCE been right and us wrong?

Were you guys right when we were founded and said "Hey these guys are pushing for women to have custody most of the time, they're going to fuck things up, they're sexists. Men are a vital part of parenting and removing them will damage children." and you guys denied it and screamed about domestic violence and pandered to womens chauvinism with YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL and telling them they didn't need no man and blah blah? (Something your movement now blames men for.)

How about when we noted you were lying about DV stats and rape and spent decades denying that too?

How about the core principle of Misandry we insisted existed back in the 60s and you guys are still in a tizzy over and can't make up your minds about?

Or do you think that somehow at last, today is your lucky day, and that finally on due process, you guys can be an equality movement instead of a blight on society that has opposed the real equality movement, The mens rights movement, from day one.

Go ahead lir. Any time we were wrong about you in history that would possibly justify your skepticism of what we're saying about you today. You're not an equality movment. You're a bunch of sexists in denial, who have had to be dragged kicking and screaming the whole way to this point, but still can't bare to admit it and concede that you should just do what we goddamn say, because we're completely right about what's wrong with you and it keeps being proven.

[Ccanda]

Why would the movement campaigning for an end to traditional gender roles have a problem with the end of traditional gender roles?

Something something forced parenthood something something family courts?

Something some- huh what?

[Ostroeuropa]

Nah, the feminist's worst nightmare is when men start rejecting gender roles.

Why would the movement campaigning for an end to traditional gender roles have a problem with the end of traditional gender roles?

Because that's mostly gaslighting and feminism has never been about anything other than power. Feminism if measured by its campaigning does not campaign for the end of gender roles, but for their enforcement on men where it benefits women.

It CLAIMS to do otherwise, but that's not a viable measurement for a hate movement.

[Galloism]

Ohhhhhhhhhh Vasssssssssssssssenor,

So how does accepting the possibility that someone might have done a thing equal guilty until proven innocent?

If you believe in God, does that mean you accept the possibility of God or that you have full faith that God exists, and accept His existence as real?

If you believe Donald Trump, does that mean you accept the possibility that Donald Trump is telling the truth, or that you have full faith that he is telling the truth, and accept his word as truth?

If you believe in climate change, does that mean you accept the possibility of climate change, or that you have full faith that climate change is a real thing and accept it as a real event?

If you believe your spouse when he/she says he/she was working late, do you accept the possibility they were working late, or that you positively affirmatively accept they were working late and accept it as a real event?

Yes. It's absolutely wrong that anyone ever thought that this is the way law ought to work.

You can think the anti-rape portion of the feminist movement for pushing hard to reverse the burden of proof. (or, more accurately, the anti-rape of women portion. no one cares about men who are raped.)

What was that Vassenor? No one says they want guilty until proven innocent? How did it get in the law they pushed then, and as far back as 1975 at that?

You mean like the belief that feminists want rape accused to be treated as guilty until proven innocent?

Better start believing, Vassenor.

[Galloism]

Why would the movement campaigning for an end to traditional gender roles have a problem with the end of traditional gender roles?

Because it's bad for women. Same reason the movement campaigned to make sure that female on male rape was not illegal in certain countries here recently. Same reason the movement campaigned to bury all evidence of female on male domestic violence.

/shrug

It's not unusual.

[Costa Fierro]

Why would the movement campaigning for an end to traditional gender roles have a problem with the end of traditional gender roles?

We're making the assumption feminism is what feminists say it is. If we had a truly equal society, much of what women would be subject to would be decried as patriarchy.

[Des-Bal]

Something some- huh what?

Well you see family courts favor women, so do all other courts actually. The forced parenthood would be referring to the fact that if a man is raped by a woman, even if she's been found guilty of it in a court of law, the man can be required to pay his rapist a portion of his income. It's the logical result of the very traditional ideas that feminism doesn't seem to be in any rush to address. It's actually kind of a weird thing to downplay by "something somethinging" over it. By weird I mean beyond the fucking pale.

We're making the assumption feminism is what feminists say it is. If we had a truly equal society, much of what women would be subject to would be decried as patriarchy.

It's hard to argue that a significant portion of what feminists name inequality isn't just being treated almost as poorly as men.

[Costa Fierro]

Disagree, the majority of feminists don't actually care about men except in terms of women having maximal power over them and finding excuses to abuse them.

Feminists care about men, because men keep civilisation going. They see that men are questioning the status quo in increasing numbers and therefore are doubling down on the "patriarchy" by dressing up traditional beliefs as progressive social change.

[Costa Fierro]

Au contraire.

Be gay, do crime, wear make up, talk about your feelings, appropriate pink and fuscia, don't get pressured into sex because it's expected of you, be kindergarden teachers and househusbands, let your girlfriend pay for dinner, etc.

None of which are proponents of feminism or supported by feminism or feminists.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Why would the movement campaigning for an end to traditional gender roles have a problem with the end of traditional gender roles?

We're making the assumption feminism is what feminists say it is. If we had a truly equal society, much of what women would be subject to would be decried as patriarchy.

Do you mean like long custodial sentences for anything less than murder and being legally capable of rape?

[South Ccanda]

Something some- huh what?

Well you see family courts favor women, so do all other courts actually. The forced parenthood would be referring to the fact that if a man is raped by a woman, even if she's been found guilty of it in a court of law, the man can be required to pay his rapist a portion of his income. It's the logical result of the very traditional ideas that feminism doesn't seem to be in any rush to address. It's actually kind of a weird thing to downplay by "something somethinging" over it. By weird I mean beyond the fucking pale.

Ak, k, I got it. Yeah, I've heard about that. Why is it downplayed so much? I've seen videos of MRAs trying to bring it up and they literally got slapped over it.

[Vassenor]

So if family courts are biased, why doesn't the data match up with that conclusion?

[South Ccanda]

why's that, Vassenor?

https://www.iowabankruptcylawyer.net/bl ... hers.shtml

[The Emerald Legion]

So if family courts are biased, why doesn't the data match up with that conclusion?

So.... a feminist professor released a study saying family courts weren't biased, using ALMOST a whole 200 cases from England and Wales in 2011.

For reference There were 117,558 Divorces in England and Wales in that same year. Their sample size was literally less than a single percent of the cases.

[Vassenor]

why's that, Vassenor?

https://www.iowabankruptcylawyer.net/bl ... hers.shtml

Says a lawyer trying to shill their services.

[Ostroeuropa]

So if family courts are biased, why doesn't the data match up with that conclusion?

Lawyers will typically advise men not to take a case unless they have a slam dunk amount of evidence because it will be a waste of their time and money.

[Ostroeuropa]

Well you see family courts favor women, so do all other courts actually. The forced parenthood would be referring to the fact that if a man is raped by a woman, even if she's been found guilty of it in a court of law, the man can be required to pay his rapist a portion of his income. It's the logical result of the very traditional ideas that feminism doesn't seem to be in any rush to address. It's actually kind of a weird thing to downplay by "something somethinging" over it. By weird I mean beyond the fucking pale.

Ak, k, I got it. Yeah, I've heard about that. Why is it downplayed so much? I've seen videos of MRAs trying to bring it up and they literally got slapped over it.

Because they hate men and don't care about them or their wellbeing and would rather they not inconvenience women by reminding them men are human beings.

[South Ccanda]

Ak, k, I got it. Yeah, I've heard about that. Why is it downplayed so much? I've seen videos of MRAs trying to bring it up and they literally got slapped over it.

Because they hate men and don't care about them or their wellbeing and would rather they not inconvenience women by reminding them men are human beings.

well, I'm not saying that that's far stretched but there isn't a point to attacking feminazis considering blitzkrieg is a tactic they are all familiar with.

[Ostroeuropa]

Because they hate men and don't care about them or their wellbeing and would rather they not inconvenience women by reminding them men are human beings.

well, I'm not saying that that's far stretched but there isn't a point to attacking feminazis considering blitzkrieg is a tactic they are all familiar with.

It just needs to be consistently recognised and pointed out so people stop tolerating them or their hate movement and begin to ostracize them from society. This question you asked is an answered question, and we need to reach a state in society where people stop asking it because they already know the answer, and do something about it.