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by Earestinia » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:18 pm
by Rojava Free State » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:21 pm
Des-Bal wrote:Vassenor wrote:
And where do you get that idea from?
Well there's the fact that people are upset by Spain using multiple crimes instead of multiple degrees and nobody saying shit about the fact a man as a matter of law cannot be raped by a woman in the United Kingdom. We still won't classify "made to penetrate" as rape for statistical purposes. Organizations teach people to downplay the harm done to male victims. So you know, looking at stuff.
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Des-Bal » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:22 pm
Earestinia wrote:Can I just say I love how reasonable the discourse in this forum is? I'm so glad its not the toxic trash fire I expected it to be. I was expecting the comment section on any political news video, instead I got an actual reasonable argument with valid points on both sides. Luv this community.
I personally tend to learn more liberal on this issue, but I get the point of the right. It does suck how hard it is to prove. really it surprises me that this is one of the only crimes with such a weird complication. I think thats partially due to the culture tho. regular assault, we all tend to agree on a definition, everyone knows it when they see it, and we all agree its wrong. Very few cases of people reporting false assaults become newsworthy because regular assault is uncontroversial. Maybe if we stopped loading sexual assault with all this political aggression and focused more on what we agree on it would stop being such a big deal.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Dirty Americans » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:22 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Agriculturalism and poor mechanisation led to people having larger families, not values.
by Mzeusia » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:22 pm
Ostroeuropa wrote:Mzeusia wrote:The is that Cultural Conservatism will bring back traditionalist values and therefore people will start having larger families.
Agriculturalism and poor mechanisation led to people having larger families, not values. Even in conservative nations the birth rate is declining rapidly, because we don't need kids to work the farm anymore. Even a sexually repressive backlash to things like this wont increase birth rates.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:24 pm
Earestinia wrote:Can I just say I love how reasonable the discourse in this forum is? I'm so glad its not the toxic trash fire I expected it to be. I was expecting the comment section on any political news video, instead I got an actual reasonable argument with valid points on both sides. Luv this community.
I personally tend to learn more liberal on this issue, but I get the point of the right. It does suck how hard it is to prove. really it surprises me that this is one of the only crimes with such a weird complication. I think thats partially due to the culture tho. regular assault, we all tend to agree on a definition, everyone knows it when they see it, and we all agree its wrong. Very few cases of people reporting false assaults become newsworthy because regular assault is uncontroversial. Maybe if we stopped loading sexual assault with all this political aggression and focused more on what we agree on it would stop being such a big deal.
by Des-Bal » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:24 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:
I think these ladies need to check their female privilege
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Rojava Free State » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:40 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Vassenor » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:50 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Des-Bal wrote:
I don't think that's a healthy or productive way of thinking or behaving.
It isn't. If it sounds bad this way, it's equally bad when ppl yell "check your cis white male privilege!" It's satire. I'm not even white in america and im growing tired of everyone claiming to be oppressed and it's all the fault of the evil white man. I wish these so called "vulnerable minorities" would visit a north korean labor camp so they could see what real oppression is, as opposed to some neckbeard calling you a sexist name or racist slur online
by Hirota » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:53 pm
Still not productive Rojava old bean. I get the motivation, and how easy it might be to resort to those tactics, but sending someone to a labour camp just because of wrongthink is no better than those you are criticising.Rojava Free State wrote:Des-Bal wrote:
I don't think that's a healthy or productive way of thinking or behaving.
It isn't. If it sounds bad this way, it's equally bad when ppl yell "check your cis white male privilege!" It's satire. I'm not even white in america and im growing tired of everyone claiming to be oppressed and it's all the fault of the evil white man. I wish these so called "vulnerable minorities" would visit a north korean labor camp so they could see what real oppression is, as opposed to some neckbeard calling you a sexist name or racist slur online
by Des-Bal » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:56 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:It isn't. If it sounds bad this way, it's equally bad when ppl yell "check your cis white male privilege!" It's satire. I'm not even white in america and im growing tired of everyone claiming to be oppressed and it's all the fault of the evil white man. I wish these so called "vulnerable minorities" would visit a north korean labor camp so they could see what real oppression is, as opposed to some neckbeard calling you a sexist name or racist slur online
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
Desired perception: Logical, intellectual
Public perception: Neutral-positive - blunt, cold, logical, skilled at debating
Mindset: Logos
by Rezmaeristan » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:00 pm
Vassenor wrote:Rezmaeristan wrote:My hope is that this eventually reverses the sexual revolution ushering in a new age of cultural conservatism, high fertility rates, and general good feelings.How will cultural conservatism improve fertility rates?And how will constant repression make people feel good?
by Vassenor » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:09 pm
Rezmaeristan wrote:
Cultural conservatism says getting married and having kids ASAP is important. In a culturally conservative society, being a "Christmas Cake"(not married at 25) will be seen as a negative(unless you're a priest or ascetic) Also, if we could get fewer people going to college(i.e. all the people going there who wouldn't have 35 years ago), that would help.
As for "constant repression" aka chastity and ordered sexual desires:
No more objectification. People will see each other as people, not as sex objects. There will always be few bad apples but it won't be the norm. Also, a greater stigma on pre/extra-marital sex will reduce its negative effects on relationships.
by Hirota » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:11 pm
Rojava might be, you might be projecting. Das and I are arguing against indulging in it and sending people to the work gangs for wrongthinkVassenor wrote:Rojava Free State wrote:
It isn't. If it sounds bad this way, it's equally bad when ppl yell "check your cis white male privilege!" It's satire. I'm not even white in america and im growing tired of everyone claiming to be oppressed and it's all the fault of the evil white man. I wish these so called "vulnerable minorities" would visit a north korean labor camp so they could see what real oppression is, as opposed to some neckbeard calling you a sexist name or racist slur online
Are we doing Oppression Olympics again?
by Rezmaeristan » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:12 pm
Vassenor wrote:Rezmaeristan wrote:
Cultural conservatism says getting married and having kids ASAP is important. In a culturally conservative society, being a "Christmas Cake"(not married at 25) will be seen as a negative(unless you're a priest or ascetic) Also, if we could get fewer people going to college(i.e. all the people going there who wouldn't have 35 years ago), that would help.
As for "constant repression" aka chastity and ordered sexual desires:
No more objectification. People will see each other as people, not as sex objects. There will always be few bad apples but it won't be the norm. Also, a greater stigma on pre/extra-marital sex will reduce its negative effects on relationships.
Or we could, you know, not drag society kicking and screaming back to the nineteenth century.
by Vassenor » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:12 pm
by Vassenor » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:17 pm
Rezmaeristan wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Or we could, you know, not drag society kicking and screaming back to the nineteenth century.
Much of Central Africa is like this at the moment. Is it any wonder they're breeding like rabbits? If we wish to breed like rabbits(which we're not at the moment, unfortunately), we must study those who do.
by Costa Fierro » Thu Dec 06, 2018 1:27 pm
Vassenor wrote:So why is there a need to increase fertility rates?
by Lendenburgh » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:09 pm
Costa Fierro wrote:Vassenor wrote:So why is there a need to increase fertility rates?
Among other things, developed countries have a birthrate at the moment that is below the rate of replacement, that is, countries are projected to start shrinking in population rather than grow. Japan and Germany are two of these countries that spring to mind.
This may cause a number of consequences, chief among which is the smaller tax base from which governments can draw the money needed to fund social services, particularly pensions. There's also the issue of having not enough qualified workers in certain industries, these can cause production issues for manufacturing companies and generally have businesses not running effectively.
This should "concern" most people (I obviously don't give a single fuck because I'll be dead before I'm 60) because our generation and those following us will be seeing the effects of this in the future.
by Petrasylvania » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:18 pm
Vassenor wrote:Rezmaeristan wrote:
Cultural conservatism says getting married and having kids ASAP is important. In a culturally conservative society, being a "Christmas Cake"(not married at 25) will be seen as a negative(unless you're a priest or ascetic) Also, if we could get fewer people going to college(i.e. all the people going there who wouldn't have 35 years ago), that would help.
As for "constant repression" aka chastity and ordered sexual desires:
No more objectification. People will see each other as people, not as sex objects. There will always be few bad apples but it won't be the norm. Also, a greater stigma on pre/extra-marital sex will reduce its negative effects on relationships.
Or we could, you know, not drag society kicking and screaming back to the nineteenth century.
by Costa Fierro » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:46 pm
Petrasylvania wrote:Wonder how many cried upon realizing The Handmaid's Tale isn't a documentary.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:55 pm
by Rojava Free State » Thu Dec 06, 2018 2:59 pm
Hirota wrote:Still not productive Rojava old bean. I get the motivation, and how easy it might be to resort to those tactics, but sending someone to a labour camp just because of wrongthink is no better than those you are criticising.Rojava Free State wrote:
It isn't. If it sounds bad this way, it's equally bad when ppl yell "check your cis white male privilege!" It's satire. I'm not even white in america and im growing tired of everyone claiming to be oppressed and it's all the fault of the evil white man. I wish these so called "vulnerable minorities" would visit a north korean labor camp so they could see what real oppression is, as opposed to some neckbeard calling you a sexist name or racist slur online
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
by Rojava Free State » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:04 pm
Rojava Free State wrote:Listen yall. I'm only gonna say it once but I want you to remember it. This ain't a world fit for good men. It seems like you gotta be monstrous just to make it. Gotta have a little bit of darkness within you just to survive. You gotta stoop low everyday it seems like. Stoop all the way down to the devil in these times. And then one day you look in the mirror and you realize that you ain't you anymore. You're just another monster, and thanks to your actions, someone else will eventually become as warped and twisted as you. Never forget that the best of us are just the best of a bad lot. Being at the top of a pile of feces doesn't make you anything but shit like the rest. Never forget that.
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