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Postby Katganistan » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:16 pm

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Katganistan wrote:Was poor widdle ickle Adam unable to say "No"?
Was he so weak and and stupid that just because Eve smiled at him he had to do what she said?

Or did he want to eat it too, then threw her under the bus with "It's her fault"? :p


There is no reason to hate women in general, in my view. But it can't be denied that women tend to hold quite a power over men for various reasons. It is perhaps the natural order of things. There is free will of course, but the temptation to cede ground is probably greater.

I find that there is such a thing as feminine wiles.

So you, too, are saying that men are incapable of making their own decisions if a woman is around?

I can't tell you how amusing I find this. Hilarious, even.
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Postby Lord Dominator » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:19 pm

The Biggles Syndicate wrote:(and by the way, Eve manipulated Adam and told him he would receive great power from the apple, just like the serpent told her. we both know how that turned out...)

Really? I wonder where, because that's certainly not said in any translation I've seen
3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
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Postby Katganistan » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:19 pm

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Katganistan wrote:So, you're saying that he could not say no, and was too weak and stupid to do what God said, because Eve told him different?

Because we all know a man would never say no to his wife

Truly?

Because I have, in fact, heard my father say no, and why, to his wife.
I have heard men in healthy marriages say no to their wives, politely and with reasons.

I truly feel sorry for any man whose relationship with his wife is more akin to child-mother.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:21 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Because we all know a man would never say no to his wife

Truly?

Because I have, in fact, heard my father say no, and why, to his wife.
I have heard men in healthy marriages say no to their wives, politely and with reasons.

I truly feel sorry for any man whose relationship with his wife is more akin to child-mother.

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Postby Katganistan » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:23 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Truly?

Because I have, in fact, heard my father say no, and why, to his wife.
I have heard men in healthy marriages say no to their wives, politely and with reasons.

I truly feel sorry for any man whose relationship with his wife is more akin to child-mother.

It’s a joke. Please put those pitchforks down it was only a joke

No pitchforks involved. I really and honestly do feel sorry for any adult who abdicates their reason and responsibility to their spouse in a relationship that is more child-parent than cooperative teamwork.
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Postby Autarkheia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:28 pm

My first thought was that even the safe mode was a bad solution, but I'd take it over a full ban any day.

Address the illegal content and leave the rest alone. There has got to be a better solution than this. As long as there are protections for minors, we should be able to look at all the porn we want on the internet.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:31 pm

Autarkheia wrote:My first thought was that even the safe mode was a bad solution, but I'd take it over a full ban any day.

Address the illegal content and leave the rest alone. There has got to be a better solution than this. As long as there are protections for minors, we should be able to look at all the porn we want on the internet.


There is no such thing as a foolproof filter though.
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Postby Saiwania » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:42 pm

Katganistan wrote:So you, too, are saying that men are incapable of making their own decisions if a woman is around? I can't tell you how amusing I find this. Hilarious, even.


It is missing the point. Of course anyone can make a decision but men being men (if they're not gay or asexual), are vulnerable to feminine wiles. Most men can be worn down enough over time to cave in if lust or other certain emotions are present enough.

Anyways, to veer back towards the topic- I'm worried about the Tumblr migration to Newgrounds. I'm not going to let the users who brought down Tumblr because of illegal stuff like CP to bring down Newgrounds, which is the Kingdom of Adobe Flash and an emerging place for HTML5.

If NG accepts these people in, there should be somewhat closer supervision of them for a time. Newgrounds to my knowledge, doesn't allow actual live action pornography but does allow hentai or other forms of erotic art or animation. The only thing that falls within that category which might be illegal is lolicon or shotacon. I'm quite invested in Newgrounds staying legal and well off enough, because it was and is a place I grew fond of from a relatively early age. Always good to see Newgrounds doing what they do best. Animation, games, art, music, community.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:43 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:It’s a joke. Please put those pitchforks down it was only a joke

No pitchforks involved. I really and honestly do feel sorry for any adult who abdicates their reason and responsibility to their spouse in a relationship that is more child-parent than cooperative teamwork.

I think that’s called an abusive relationship at that point
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Postby Cekoviu » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:18 pm

I wonder what site will fill the porn blog niche now.
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Postby Novo Vaticanus » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:23 pm

Internet-wide porn ban when?

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:40 pm

Novo Vaticanus wrote:Internet-wide porn ban when?


Good luck with making that work.
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Postby Reploid Productions » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:51 pm

Cekoviu wrote:I wonder what site will fill the porn blog niche now.

It sounds like a large number of fandom-specific communities are relocating to Discord or Twitter, at least in the short term. Sounds like Pillowfort is a likely contender for the long-term replacement. Though I guess PornHub is also welcoming displaced Tumblr users too, so who knows.

There will be a new platform sooner or later, this certainly is not the first time a popular fandom (and porn) blogging site has taken a machinegun to its own foot, and I doubt it will be the last. Those Vox articles Kat linked already mention Livejournal rendering itself obsolete back with the Strikethrough exodus, what we're seeing with Tumblr is basically the same exact thing, and I have little reason to expect the results to be any different this time around. Tumblr might survive in the sense that "Hey, the website still exists", but they've effectively destroyed any reason their users have to trust them and like Livejournal before it, they're already relocating and unlikely to return.
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Postby Darussalam » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:54 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Autarkheia wrote:My first thought was that even the safe mode was a bad solution, but I'd take it over a full ban any day.

Address the illegal content and leave the rest alone. There has got to be a better solution than this. As long as there are protections for minors, we should be able to look at all the porn we want on the internet.


There is no such thing as a foolproof filter though.

Yeah, like Tumblr's porn filter. Apparently theoretically we could still have child porn as long as we're inserting an owl in it.
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Postby VoVoDoCo » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:55 pm

At first I thought that said, "Trump bans all adult content..." :lol2:

Oh well. Tumblr had to go eventually.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:57 pm

Katganistan wrote:
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Well, from a Biblical perspective- it was a woman who led Adam astray and brought original sin to our entire world. ;)

Was poor widdle ickle Adam unable to say "No"?
Was he so weak and and stupid that just because Eve smiled at him he had to do what she said?

Or did he want to eat it too, then threw her under the bus with "It's her fault"? :p


1. According to the logic of the story, Eve ate the apple and gained knowledge of good and evil. Then told Adam to do the same while he still had no such knowledge of good and evil. While God is an asshole for telling people to not do something when they had no comprehension of why they should obey such an order and he knew that was the case, it is consistent with the logic of the story to think Eve "Knew" the morality of her action when she told Adam to eat the apple, and Adam didn't know the morality of it. You're then down to an AbrahamicVDarkMaterials interpretation of the action.
Either Eve did something blatantly evil that she knew to be evil (Corrupting an innocent), or, having gained Knowledge of Good and Evil, up and decided that God wasn't worth listening to anyway and was a jerk, and liberated Adam from his ignorance. Abrahamics believe the former, to some extent. (The very second a human being gained understanding of good and evil, their first act was to knowingly disobey god because he's an asshole, and the bible is merely a pack of lies told by a not-omnipotent merely powerful narcissistic deity)

2. It's probably a story about fucking and the snake and apples and so on is an allegory for penis and sex and so on. Especially as the punishment is their father figure saying; "Eve, y'all gonna get pregnant and its going to fucking hurt, Adam, get a fucking job." and throwing them out of the house, and the knowledge discussed is carnal knowledge. This makes Adams reaction interpretable in a number of ways. He could be throwing her under the bus for an act involving mutual consent in order to avoid the wrath of the father figure, or might not be, who knows. This also makes the story much more layered, since if it is intended as a double entendre, only Adults would understand the subtext and the "Knowledge" involved, whereas children would view the story literally, and only come to understand the story as they gain knowledge of sex. It's possible this subtext was lost over time. Notable is that Eve initiates the sex if this is the case. Given the morality of the time, Adam saying "It's her fault" in that context is consistent with beliefs at the time over men being unable to resist sex and so on, and makes the "Temptress" stuff make more sense. or it could be a rape thing, and likewise consistent with the beliefs of the time to ignore that happening to a guy.
This is probably why this goes unquestioned in the theology, if the subtext was understood for some time then it stands to reason nobody would point out until relatively recent times that what Adam did here was weird. It was understood by early commentators and theologians that it was indeed "Her fault" for "making" him have sex with her.


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Tumblr banning porn is sad, and pointless. There's no need for it especially given its community, it should continue to serve the clients it has and understand its niche in the market.
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Postby Crack Cocaine » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:00 pm

I'm Just posting Chuck E Cheese porn. I want them to HAVE to look at it.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:02 pm

Crack Cocaine wrote:I'm Just posting Chuck E Cheese porn. I want them to HAVE to look at it.


The whole thing is being run by a bot, not a human being.

...shit like this is how you get Skynet.
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Postby The South Falls » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:04 pm

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Crack Cocaine wrote:I'm Just posting Chuck E Cheese porn. I want them to HAVE to look at it.


The whole thing is being run by a bot, not a human being.

...shit like this is how you get Skynet.

I mean, that's the weirdest name, and weirdest first post. Gotta love this guy.
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Crack Cocaine wrote:I'm Just posting Chuck E Cheese porn. I want them to HAVE to look at it.


The whole thing is being run by a bot, not a human being.

...shit like this is how you get Skynet.


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Postby Saiwania » Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:50 pm

Darussalam wrote:Yeah, like Tumblr's porn filter. Apparently theoretically we could still have child porn as long as we're inserting an owl in it.


From my understanding, there does actually exist an industry database of child pornography that most mainstream porn websites use to help in flagging or filtering out such content. The content itself isn't saved (because if this was the case, it could be hacked and released into the wild which would be very bad) but rather, a one way cryptographic digest of the image or video in question is made and if any uploaded content happens to match a signature stored in that database, it isn't allowed and the IP of an uploader can potentially be flagged for the benefit of law enforcement.

The one major flaw of this database is that it obviously can't put a stop to any original pieces of child pornography, that doesn't get filtered out until a cryptographic digest of this new content is created and it is added into the database. The database of illegal content is continually updated on a regular basis because there are going to be unscrupulous people out there involved in creating or proliferating more of it.

Whatever human out there, who is involved in trying to visually determine for 100% certain whether a piece of content is legal or not and its origins, I imagine its a very difficult job to review flagged content and etc. If they're in law enforcement or are working as an admin for a website where such incidents are possible.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:09 pm

Darussalam wrote:
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There is no such thing as a foolproof filter though.

Yeah, like Tumblr's porn filter. Apparently theoretically we could still have child porn as long as we're inserting an owl in it.

Damn tumblr is shit
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Who cares? All the other big social media sites don't allow that sort of content.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:33 pm

Hatterleigh wrote:Who cares? All the other big social media sites don't allow that sort of content.

Well, they kinda do. Just with some loopholes needed

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