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Would you kill Hitler after considering all the potential ramifications?

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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:59 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
HC Eredivisie wrote:Yes, but I would take his place to make sure the timeline doesn't get affected.


And like a classical hollywood movie, in the end, you get the girl :)

(and then commit suicide)

Hitleo and juliet?
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Postby Caracasus » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:21 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
And like a classical hollywood movie, in the end, you get the girl :)

(and then commit suicide)

Hitleo and juliet?


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Postby Xmara » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:40 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Well, I mean

He did kill many of my grand/great relatives on both sides, including my great grand uncle who fought in the battle of Monte Cassino (If I am to believe old family rumors)

I mean if we really wanna stretch it my great grandfather was killed by Nazi volunteers in the Spainish Civil War, so in a long roundabout way I can blame Hitler


If we want to reeeaaallly stretch it, my grandfather was in the US Navy and got his middle finger shot off by a Japanese soldier. My grandfather shot back and then took the guy’s sword.

On another note my great uncle would have never gotten the chance to steal Hitler’s silverware if WWII never happened.
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:14 pm

The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Excellent.

You do realise Stalin's Regime was just as bad as Hitler's right?

In National Socialism, we kill sub-humans, that is bad. We should all go down the Communist route. Where everyone has an equal chance and right to die by the hands of mass genocide and gulags

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Stalinism =/= Communism, hunny. :3
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:15 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The Imperial Warglorian Empire wrote:You do realise Stalin's Regime was just as bad as Hitler's right?

In National Socialism, we kill sub-humans, that is bad. We should all go down the Communist route. Where everyone has an equal chance and right to die by the hands of mass genocide and gulags

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Stalinism =/= Communism, hunny. :3

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:17 pm

Xmara wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:I mean if we really wanna stretch it my great grandfather was killed by Nazi volunteers in the Spainish Civil War, so in a long roundabout way I can blame Hitler


If we want to reeeaaallly stretch it, my grandfather was in the US Navy and got his middle finger shot off by a Japanese soldier. My grandfather shot back and then took the guy’s sword.

On another note my great uncle would have never gotten the chance to steal Hitler’s silverware if WWII never happened.

Pretty sure Japan still would have gone full-on "Invade all of the Pacific" Imperialist either way.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:19 pm

Caracasus wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Cool, sounds fun.


Without a Patriotic War, Stalin's popularity wanes leading to a relatively bloodless coup. The now fully autonomous Soviets that make up the USSR trigger a domino effect, reaching as far as the Medeterranian. For some reason, in this parallel dimension Spain still doesn't escape fascism until decades later.

Emboldened, radical democratic socialists are elected in Britain and France, finally ushering in the Marxist hegemony European Union that far right wingers bang on about in this reality. Decolonization efforts lead to a world union that prioritizes space exploration and full automation of industry as without the constant threat of war, productive efforts can be geared totally towards improving humanity. This leads to people working fewer and fewer hours across the globe while still maintaining a life of luxury. The family as a concept outgrows its usefullness and a sexual revolution sweeps the globe, overturning old concepts of gender and sexual relations. The newly developed space industry begins a long process of constructing research bases on Mars and the moon. Well, you know the rest. By the turn of the millenium the very last vestiges of class, money and nationhood disintergrate. FALGSC.

You had me until full automation
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:24 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
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The left wing government that Hindenburg and the conservatives united with Hitler to keep from forming.

That's assuming the majority of nazi voters would have gone communist instead of voting for the conservatives or center right party. I think that is about as likely as the time machine we are using.

More assuming that without Nazi voter suppression socialists could have formed a government.
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Postby Caracasus » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:43 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Without a Patriotic War, Stalin's popularity wanes leading to a relatively bloodless coup. The now fully autonomous Soviets that make up the USSR trigger a domino effect, reaching as far as the Medeterranian. For some reason, in this parallel dimension Spain still doesn't escape fascism until decades later.

Emboldened, radical democratic socialists are elected in Britain and France, finally ushering in the Marxist hegemony European Union that far right wingers bang on about in this reality. Decolonization efforts lead to a world union that prioritizes space exploration and full automation of industry as without the constant threat of war, productive efforts can be geared totally towards improving humanity. This leads to people working fewer and fewer hours across the globe while still maintaining a life of luxury. The family as a concept outgrows its usefullness and a sexual revolution sweeps the globe, overturning old concepts of gender and sexual relations. The newly developed space industry begins a long process of constructing research bases on Mars and the moon. Well, you know the rest. By the turn of the millenium the very last vestiges of class, money and nationhood disintergrate. FALGSC.

You had me until full automation


Dude, you can still do work if you want, that's the point. You don't have to.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 04, 2018 1:46 pm

Caracasus wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:You had me until full automation


Dude, you can still do work if you want, that's the point. You don't have to.

He knows. For some reason he wants everyone to have to work.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:46 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Caracasus wrote:
Dude, you can still do work if you want, that's the point. You don't have to.

He knows. For some reason he wants everyone to have to work.


Sounds pretty Stalinist to me. "WORK OR GULAG FOR YUO!!1!" :3
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Postby Kaggeceria » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:25 pm

There's like a million books, movies and TV shows on why messing with the past is a bad idea.

Nah, I ain't fucking with that shit.
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Postby The Transhuman Union » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:30 pm

It's the butterfly effect that's the problem. Maybe it's better that Hitler lived to 1945.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:52 pm

Hitler was not the cause of the rise of the Nazis. Another would take his place, potentially more competent.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:02 pm

The Transhuman Union wrote:It's the butterfly effect that's the problem. Maybe it's better that Hitler lived to 1945.


Maybe.

But in my book, quite unlikely.

The butterfly effect still follows probability. And Hitler is one of the lower percentiles on the bell curve.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:17 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Hitler was not the cause of the rise of the Nazis. Another would take his place, potentially more competent.


That's why you don't stop at Hitler.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:27 pm

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Postby Techgrade » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:07 pm

kill hitler and then you did not go back in time to kill hitler because he was already ded, therefore hitler survived etc etc etc *cue the universe going kaboofy*
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Postby Kaggeceria » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:45 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Hitler was not the cause of the rise of the Nazis. Another would take his place, potentially more competent.


That's why you don't stop at Hitler.

You'll leave quite the power vacuum there. Methinks you won't like the ones who fill it.
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Ethel mermania
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:52 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That's why you don't stop at Hitler.

You'll leave quite the power vacuum there. Methinks you won't like the ones who fill it.

Who was worse? Van poppen, Schatt? Bismarks kid?? You may have gotten the EU sooner without the war.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:54 pm

Kaggeceria wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
That's why you don't stop at Hitler.

You'll leave quite the power vacuum there. Methinks you won't like the ones who fill it.


>implying there'd be something worse than the Nazis
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Dec 04, 2018 5:57 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Kaggeceria wrote:You'll leave quite the power vacuum there. Methinks you won't like the ones who fill it.


>implying there'd be something worse than the Nazis

Nazi Klingons.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:00 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>implying there'd be something worse than the Nazis

Nazi Klingons.


Then we'll travel back in time to kill Klingon Hitler and the rest of the Nazi Klingons, too!
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Postby The New California Republic » Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:03 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Nazi Klingons.


Then we'll travel back in time to kill Klingon Hitler and the rest of the Nazi Klingons, too!

It pains me that there were never Nazi Klingons in the original series of Star Trek. They had episodes about Nazis, and they had episodes about Klingons, but none of the writers ever thought to combine them.
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They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
Wave on, wave on
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