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Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:26 am**

It's a tempter. Stage it so it looks like the Black Front did it, perhaps. But no, without the war people would likely have been in different places at different times and the effects spiral in intensity through the decades to the point where I'd be at risk of not being born and being trapped in a nightmarish blue-screen world of paradox, pursued by a legion of angry carnivorous Clippys.

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:27 am**

Couldn't I just abduct him and take him somewhere he can't do any harm?

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:27 am**

Andsed wrote:
Ifreann wrote:No, I think that these are convenient ways to prevent wars without having to personally kill anyone.

This seems to presume it to be historically inevitable that the Nazis would take power in Germany and that whoever happened to be leading them would become the Fuhrer.

Well if changing history doesn't work out you can always go back in time and stop yourself from changing history.

Hitler was not very unique in his views the thing that made him different is that he was a good politician. It is likely killing him would just lead to something worse.

And someone worse at politics might not have been able to get the Nazis into power.

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:28 am**

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Couldn't I just abduct him and take him somewhere he can't do any harm?

Even Hitler doesn't deserve being parachuted into the UKIP leadership circa 2018.

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:29 am**

Ifreann wrote:
Andsed wrote:Hitler was not very unique in his views the thing that made him different is that he was a good politician. It is likely killing him would just lead to something worse.

And someone worse at politics might not have been able to get the Nazis into power.

When I say something worse I mean someone who is as good if not better than Hitler at potlics. Killing Hitler may just lead to someone who is more competent than him with the same views taking his place and do you really want to take that risk?

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:31 am**

Valrifell wrote:
Hrythingia wrote:Sometimes you have to let the can lid off and let the fizz out. Europe was going to explode into war by some means or other.

It only looks inevitable through hindsight, it was definitely not the case in 1939. Hitler's idea to remilitarize the Rhineland, for instance, was controversial within Nazi leadership, iirc.

There was a European arms race, Britain needed to clip Germany's wings and the Balkans were a dry tinder box waiting for some paprika to get some spicy flames going. France wanted blood at the nearest opportunity and Germany knew it would have to be decisive at the first sign of tension. It was a disaster waiting to happen.

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:31 am**

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Couldn't I just abduct him and take him somewhere he can't do any harm?

Even Hitler doesn't deserve being parachuted into the UKIP leadership circa 2018.

Bring back ARE Nige

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:35 am**

Hrythingia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
It only looks inevitable through hindsight, it was definitely not the case in 1939. Hitler's idea to remilitarize the Rhineland, for instance, was controversial within Nazi leadership, iirc.

There was a European arms race, Britain needed to clip Germany's wings and the Balkans were a dry tinder box waiting for some paprika to get some spicy flames going. France wanted blood at the nearest opportunity and Germany knew it would have to be decisive at the first sign of tension. It was a disaster waiting to happen.

Methinks we're talking about different world wars. A Great War was nigh inevitable, sure, of course nothing said it had to go the way The Great War did.

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:37 am**

Valrifell wrote:
Hrythingia wrote:There was a European arms race, Britain needed to clip Germany's wings and the Balkans were a dry tinder box waiting for some paprika to get some spicy flames going. France wanted blood at the nearest opportunity and Germany knew it would have to be decisive at the first sign of tension. It was a disaster waiting to happen.

Methinks we're talking about different world wars. A Great War was nigh inevitable, sure, of course nothing said it had to go the way The Great War did.

Second World War was more inevitable aye, though due to my belief that Hitler had no interest in Britain -at least not until he carved out his eastern Lebensraum I'm of the belief we should have sat it out.

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:40 am**

There's an entire industry devoted to preventing the termination of Hitler.

I would engineer Hitler getting accepted into that art school. We'd be admiring Hitler paintings instead of talking about the Holocaust.

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:40 am**

Andsed wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But it would have prevented our WWI from happening. If something else kicks off a continental war instead, I can check what set that in motion and prevent that too.

If you can time travel then there is no risk. Keep changing the variables of the past until you get the best, or least bad, present.

Have you watched any time travel movie or show?

Yes. That's why I expect to do well at this.

Hrythingia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But it would have prevented our WWI from happening. If something else kicks off a continental war instead, I can check what set that in motion and prevent that too.

If you can time travel then there is no risk. Keep changing the variables of the past until you get the best, or least bad, present.

Sometimes you have to let the can lid off and let the fizz out. Europe was going to explode into war by some means or other.

I guess we'd find out how true that is if I was going through time denying everyone casus belli.

Andsed wrote:
Ifreann wrote:But it would have prevented our WWI from happening. If something else kicks off a continental war instead, I can check what set that in motion and prevent that too.

If you can time travel then there is no risk. Keep changing the variables of the past until you get the best, or least bad, present.

Also you can’t just assume preventing WW1 or WW2 would lead to all good things. So many of the advancements in feilds such as medicine has saved thousands of not millions of lives and have improved so many others were made during as a result of the World Wars.

If necessary I could just invent them myself.

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Couldn't I just abduct him and take him somewhere he can't do any harm?

Take him to 2018, we'll put him in a mental hospital next to Napoleon and Jesus.

Andsed wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And someone worse at politics might not have been able to get the Nazis into power.

When I say something worse I mean someone who is as good if not better than Hitler at potlics. Killing Hitler may just lead to someone who is more competent than him with the same views taking his place and do you really want to take that risk?

I find it hard to believe that there was someone in the Nazi party in the 30s who could plausibly take over in Hitler's place who could also have taken over Germany, but who did not take over the party from Hitler.

And like I keep saying, if it doesn't work out I'll go back in time and stop myself from killing Hitler.

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:43 am**

No, I won't

*PTSD flashbacks of Command and Conquer: Red Alert*

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:46 am**

Hammer Britannia wrote:No, I won't

*PTSD flashbacks of Command and Conquer: Red Alert*

*Hell March intensifies*

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:51 am**

Take him to 2018, we'll put him in a mental hospital next to Napoleon and Jesus.

Napoleon wasn't mental he was just ambitious. And as for Jesus -he died so that you might have a chance of eternal life.

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:52 am**

Alvecia wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:No, I won't

*PTSD flashbacks of Command and Conquer: Red Alert*

*Hell March intensifies*

Just make sure not to kill Einstein too

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:53 am**

Hrythingia wrote:
Take him to 2018, we'll put him in a mental hospital next to Napoleon and Jesus.

Napoleon wasn't mental he was just ambitious. And as for Jesus -he died so that you might have a chance of eternal life.

Jesus was clearly a danger to himself. Only makes sense to section him.

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:57 am**

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:
Hrythingia wrote:Napoleon wasn't mental he was just ambitious. And as for Jesus -he died so that you might have a chance of eternal life.

Jesus was clearly a danger to himself. Only makes sense to section him.

He sacrificed himself

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:59 am**

I dunno. I can think of a lot more fun things to do with a time machine than kill Hitler to be honest.

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:59 am**

I wouldn't do it.

He may be evil, but I personally bear him no ill will. I would only kill people who have hurt me on a personal level. I bear the man no ill will...

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:01 am**

Hrythingia wrote:
Take him to 2018, we'll put him in a mental hospital next to Napoleon and Jesus.

Napoleon wasn't mental he was just ambitious. And as for Jesus -he died so that you might have a chance of eternal life.

I was talking about people who think they are those figures, but come to think of it I probably will have to go back in time and stop Jesus as well.

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:02 am**

We should not kill Hitler.

We should travel back in time and offer him an art scholarship in the US.

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:02 am**

Infected Mushroom wrote:I wouldn't do it.

He may be evil, but I personally bear him no ill will. I would only kill people who have hurt me on a personal level. I bear the man no ill will...

Uhhhhhbhbhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I think it is a bad idea to change the lives past in general so I agree on not going back in time and killing Hitler. But how in the ever loving fuck do you not despise him?

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:03 am**

Andsed wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I wouldn't do it.

He may be evil, but I personally bear him no ill will. I would only kill people who have hurt me on a personal level. I bear the man no ill will...

Uhhhhhbhbhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I think it is a bad idea to change the lives past in general so I agree on not going back in time and killing Hitler. But how in the ever loving fuck do you not despise him?

Have you seen his previous posts?

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:03 am**

Ifreann wrote:
Hrythingia wrote:Napoleon wasn't mental he was just ambitious. And as for Jesus -he died so that you might have a chance of eternal life.

I was talking about people who think they are those figures, but come to think of it I probably will have to go back in time and stop Jesus as well.

You have a time machine right? Kidnap hitler, swap him with Jesus just at the point of crucifixion, take Jesus forward and just swap the two...

Posted: **Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:04 am**

The blAAtschApen wrote:We should not kill Hitler.

We should travel back in time and offer him an art scholarship in the US.

Or we can not screw with History and create 1984/Red Alert/Handmaid's Tale/A universe where Miley Cyrus is the Supreme Leader of Earth

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