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Would you kill Hitler after considering all the potential ramifications?

Yes
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No
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Hammer Britannia
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:48 am

Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
What if it turns out that Jesus is another time traveler. What then?

One better. What if it turns out you're Jesus?

I'd start a fig/wine business and become a billionaire.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:48 am

Alvecia wrote:Is this Time travel device also a Space travel device? Cause I think it might be pretty difficult to get to Hitler otherwise.

I would think that any time machine would at least need to also travel through relative dimensions in space.


Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
What if it turns out that Jesus is another time traveler. What then?

One better. What if it turns out you're Jesus?

The Lamb of God.


Alvecia wrote:
Dark Socialism wrote:I would not kill Hitler that's against my principles, but I would gladly do it to Karl Marx

Those are some flexible principles you’ve got there

Not flexible, Nazi.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:49 am

Dark Socialism wrote:I would not kill Hitler that's against my principles, but I would gladly do it to Karl Marx


Jack the Ripper started being active a few years after Karl Marx' death.

For extra intrigue, make the murder look like one of Jack's.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:50 am

Ifreann wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Is this Time travel device also a Space travel device? Cause I think it might be pretty difficult to get to Hitler otherwise.

I would think that any time machine would at least need to also travel through relative dimensions in space.


Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:One better. What if it turns out you're Jesus?

The Lamb of God.


Alvecia wrote:Those are some flexible principles you’ve got there

Not flexible, Nazi.

Ah. That didn’t actually occur to me for some reason.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:51 am

Wouldn't it fuck up the timeline?
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Postby Dark Socialism » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:52 am

Alvecia wrote:
Dark Socialism wrote:Imagine you're a Christian and someone lends you a time machine so you can kill Jesus, would you you do it?

....no? Why would I, as a Christian, want to kill Jesus?

Exactly, Hitler was a living god, an avatar of Vishnu and a prophet
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:54 am

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Dark Socialism wrote:Hitler was a living god, an avatar of Vishnu and a prophet
All shall tremble before me

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:55 am

Dark Socialism wrote:
Alvecia wrote:....no? Why would I, as a Christian, want to kill Jesus?

Exactly, Hitler was a living god, an avatar of Vishnu and a prophet
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I think you’ve stumbled into the wrong forum, Arts and Fiction is thataway.

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Postby Hrythingia » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:55 am

Dark Socialism wrote:
Alvecia wrote:....no? Why would I, as a Christian, want to kill Jesus?

Exactly, Hitler was a living god, an avatar of Vishnu and a prophet
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:56 am

Andsed wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I wouldn't do it.

He may be evil, but I personally bear him no ill will. I would only kill people who have hurt me on a personal level. I bear the man no ill will...

Uhhhhhbhbhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I think it is a bad idea to change the lives past in general so I agree on not going back in time and killing Hitler. But how in the ever loving fuck do you not despise him?


He hasn’t done anything to me personally

I have no ancestors in the camps or who died in the war or anything

Hence I bear him no ill will
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:56 am

Hrythingia wrote:
Dark Socialism wrote:Exactly, Hitler was a living god, an avatar of Vishnu and a prophet
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I opened that spoiler in the library and I think the person sat behind me is mildly disturbed.


I don't sit behind you in the library, but I am also mildly disturbed.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:57 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Why not. Gloria Steinem was pretty hot in her day. Besides what does Melelaus have that I dont, besides a kingdom.


A few concubines.


Ok, fine. What does Melelaus have that I dont have besides a kingdom, and a few concubines.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:58 am

Hrythingia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:I wouldn't do it.

He may be evil, but I personally bear him no ill will. I would only kill people who have hurt me on a personal level. I bear the man no ill will...

-Evil
-Bear him no ill will

Pick one mate. This is one of the most bizzare things I've read today and I've been doing a translation of The Tain...


I have no reason to want to kill him. He has done a lot of wrong but not to me.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:59 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Andsed wrote:Uhhhhhbhbhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I think it is a bad idea to change the lives past in general so I agree on not going back in time and killing Hitler. But how in the ever loving fuck do you not despise him?


He hasn’t done anything to me personally

I have no ancestors in the camps or who died in the war or anything

Hence I bear him no ill will

It’s likely ancestors fought in the war.

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Postby Caracasus » Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:59 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:
A few concubines.


Ok, fine. What does Melelaus have that I dont have besides a kingdom, and a few concubines.


An army?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:00 am

San Lumen wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
He hasn’t done anything to me personally

I have no ancestors in the camps or who died in the war or anything

Hence I bear him no ill will

It’s likely ancestors fought in the war.


My grandparents were in the colonies and sat out the fighting so...

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:01 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:It’s likely ancestors fought in the war.


My grandparents were in the colonies and sat out the fighting so...

Lots of the colonies participated.

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Postby Hrythingia » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:02 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Andsed wrote:Uhhhhhbhbhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I think it is a bad idea to change the lives past in general so I agree on not going back in time and killing Hitler. But how in the ever loving fuck do you not despise him?


He hasn’t done anything to me personally

I have no ancestors in the camps or who died in the war or anything

Hence I bear him no ill will

So your country was not affected in any way shape or form? And does not your basic humanity incline you to despise someone who caused so much deliberate carnage?
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:02 am

I mean my position is straightforward. Murder is only an option for me if it’s to avenge a personal wrong.

I’m not going to kill him for the sake of other people. There are higher priority targets if I had such a time travel/get out of jail card.

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:02 am

Hrythingia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
He hasn’t done anything to me personally

I have no ancestors in the camps or who died in the war or anything

Hence I bear him no ill will

So your country was not affected in any way shape or form? And does not your basic humanity incline you to despise someone who caused so much deliberate carnage?

I don’t think IM feels empathy.

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:03 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:I mean my position is straightforward. Murder is only an option for me if it’s to avenge a personal wrong.

I’m not going to kill him for the sake of other people. There are higher priority targets if I had such a time travel/get out of jail card.

I mean, with a time machine you have literally all the time in the world.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:04 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Hrythingia wrote:-Evil
-Bear him no ill will

Pick one mate. This is one of the most bizzare things I've read today and I've been doing a translation of The Tain...


I have no reason to want to kill him. He has done a lot of wrong but not to me.

Come on, we all know you're just afraid of changing Harry Potter.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:04 am

Hrythingia wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
He hasn’t done anything to me personally

I have no ancestors in the camps or who died in the war or anything

Hence I bear him no ill will

So your country was not affected in any way shape or form? And does not your basic humanity incline you to despise someone who caused so much deliberate carnage?


I only despise people who cause me personal wrong/harm

Any harm before I even exist is treated by me as largely theoretical

I don’t despise him anymore then I despise Mao, Stalin or Churchill

They’re just politicians playing with lives; there’s a difference in scales though

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:05 am

Alvecia wrote:
Hrythingia wrote:So your country was not affected in any way shape or form? And does not your basic humanity incline you to despise someone who caused so much deliberate carnage?

I don’t think IM feels empathy.


If I did then I would murder a person who did me no personal wrong???

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Dec 03, 2018 9:06 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Alvecia wrote:I don’t think IM feels empathy.


If I did then I would murder a person who did me no personal wrong???

Depending on the person, you’d certainly feel some measure of distaste, yes.

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