Would you kill Hitler?

[Engleberg]

Either preventing the Great War or helping Germany win WWI would prove more beneficial, and has better results.

I fail to see how helping Germany win WW1 is beneficial, considering that France would cease to exist as a result...

You make that sound like it’s a bad thing

[The New California Republic]

I fail to see how helping Germany win WW1 is beneficial, considering that France would cease to exist as a result...

And that's a bad thing?

[Heloin]

Go back kill Hitler. If things are good, then I did good. If things are bad then go back and kill replacement Hitler. Repeat until world's good.

[Caracasus]

Love how everyone just assumes we're living in the best universe where Hitler's rise to power worked out for the best in the end. I mean, yeah it's possible that things would have been worse if that hadn't happened but equally it's possible that things might have been resolved without a bloody world war and the mass slaughter that came with it.

A world war was going to happen no matter what unless we also remove Japan and the Soviets from the equation. Which would fuck things up even more.

Okay, war was certainly on the cards I'll admit, but I'm not 100% sure we're living in the universe which had the best possible outcome of that buildup to war.

[Hrythingia]

And that's a bad thing?

You see the anglosphere could hope for little more than the obliteration of the froggy surrender monkeys. No genuine animosity to anyone here unfortunate enough to have been born French though, I wish them all the best.

[The Blaatschapen]

You see the anglosphere could hope for little more than the obliteration of the froggy surrender monkeys. No genuine animosity to anyone here unfortunate enough to have been born French though, I wish them all the best.

World War I is a few centuries too late though, for the anglosphere to really profit from it.

[Tokora]

My view is simple, if you can do something to change history for the better, than for the love of all that's holy do so. While I'd rather buy a painting from him and tell him to stick with that, I would kill him (even as an infant) if I had to.

[Nazis in Space]

I'm admittedly not especially fond of suicide.

Also, I sincerely hope to never meet some fifteen percent of this forum's residents.

[The Blaatschapen]

I'm admittedly not especially fond of suicide.

Then why did you do so back in 1945?

[Oil exporting People]

Kill him in 1934. Hindenburg was already threatening to call out the Reichswehr if the NSDAP didn't purge Rohm and his ilk, meaning that the suddenly leaderless Nazis find themselves unable to follow through on that and Hindenburg would consider the chaos sufficient reason to call out the German Army; it was still totally loyal to him and staffed by conservative officers. Long run effects is the restoration of the Kaiser under Wilhelm III I'd imagine, and probably some conflict with Poland to restore the old Eastern borders; no WWII as we know, however, far more likely for a crusade against Bolshevism.

[Potato]

We as humans generally for the most part, I would say are rational beings with an aversion to homicide

this is a joke, right

[Nazis in Space]

I'm admittedly not especially fond of suicide.

Then why did you do so back in 1945?

I got better.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Kill him in 1934. Hindenburg was already threatening to call out the Reichswehr if the NSDAP didn't purge Rohm and his ilk, meaning that the suddenly leaderless Nazis find themselves unable to follow through on that and Hindenburg would consider the chaos sufficient reason to call out the German Army; it was still totally loyal to him and staffed by conservative officers. Long run effects is the restoration of the Kaiser under Wilhelm III I'd imagine, and probably some conflict with Poland to restore the old Eastern borders; no WWII as we know, however, far more likely for a crusade against Bolshevism.

>monarchy

Please no, put Strasser in or something if you want a different path lol

[Baltenstein]

And let Stalin overrun Europe with Tesla Troopers and Mammoth Tanks?

Nah.

[Riakou]

Love how everyone just assumes we're living in the best universe where Hitler's rise to power worked out for the best in the end. I mean, yeah it's possible that things would have been worse if that hadn't happened but equally it's possible that things might have been resolved without a bloody world war and the mass slaughter that came with it.

I think people just prefer the known to the unknown, regardless of how shitty the known is. Making adjustments to the course of history post facto is conceptually one of the most dangerous things that humanity could ever do.

I would entirely agree, anyone who ever thinks meddling in past events is wise, are delusional, this isn’t about getting the best possible result, it’s about not essentially erasing from existence everything that’s ever happened.

It’s theoretically speaking far more dangerous than any meteor or global disaster event, not only does it undo past history but creates ramifications that not only effect the history on earth but in the universe and that effect ripples outwards for the rest of the existence of time.

Also as previously stated you are essentially removing from existence probably almost everyone in alive today with a complete new set of humans, is that not in itself a genocide? I personally would say so.

[Kannap]

I believe taking another's life is horribly wrong and even oppose the death penalty, so I doubt I'd be taking anybody's life, even if it is Hitler.

[The New California Republic]

And let Stalin overrun Europe with Tesla Troopers and Mammoth Tanks?

Nah.

The fact that weaponized Tesla coils would exist almost makes me want to do it. Almost.

[Valrifell]

And let Stalin overrun Europe with Tesla Troopers and Mammoth Tanks?

Nah.

Stalin's Great Purge would've still left Soviet leadership crippled and without a war already having left Europe destroyed, you could see an allied intervention in the Soviet Union at some point.

[Baltenstein]

And let Stalin overrun Europe with Tesla Troopers and Mammoth Tanks?

Nah.

Stalin's Great Purge would've still left Soviet leadership crippled and without a war already having left Europe destroyed, you could see an allied intervention in the Soviet Union at some point.

You're right, the Allies would have invaded Russia and taken Moscow eventually...but only after the Soviets had pushed as far as Paris, committed atrocities in Greece, and almost succeeded in nuking London.

[Dogmeat]

Either preventing the Great War or helping Germany win WWI would prove more beneficial, and has better results.

I fail to see how helping Germany win WW1 is beneficial, considering that France would cease to exist as a result...

Would it? Germany might have taken some colonies away, but annex France? No reason to think that would happen. They didn't even do that in WWII, when they were all annexation-happy.

[The New California Republic]

I think people just prefer the known to the unknown, regardless of how shitty the known is. Making adjustments to the course of history post facto is conceptually one of the most dangerous things that humanity could ever do.

I would entirely agree, anyone who ever thinks meddling in past events is wise, are delusional, this isn’t about getting the best possible result, it’s about not essentially erasing from existence everything that’s ever happened.

It’s theoretically speaking far more dangerous than any meteor or global disaster event, not only does it undo past history but creates ramifications that not only effect the history on earth but in the universe and that effect ripples outwards for the rest of the existence of time.

Also as previously stated you are essentially removing from existence probably almost everyone in alive today with a complete new set of humans, is that not in itself a genocide? I personally would say so.

If backwards time travel was ever discovered, there would be an immediate ban on its use, because the temptation to misuse it would be much too great, and sending anything back in time (even if it wasn't a person) would disrupt history in some way or another.

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I fail to see how helping Germany win WW1 is beneficial, considering that France would cease to exist as a result...

Would it? Germany might have taken some colonies away, but annex France? No reason to think that would happen. They didn't even do that in WWII, when they were all annexation-happy.

At the very least they would have turned it into a completely subjugated vassal state that bore little to no relation to the Third Republic, similar to Vichy France in its pandering to the conquerors.

[The Black Forrest]

Can't. It's a fixed point in time.

[Ethel mermania]

I'm admittedly not especially fond of suicide.

Also, I sincerely hope to never meet some fifteen percent of this forum's residents.

Dont sweat it. It's too late now anyway. Just a word of advice though. If we ever invent time travel.... run.

[Valrifell]

I'd like to see what would happen, honestly. Mr. Hitler was one of those men of history, similar in vein to Napoleon or Augustus Caesar (but, you know, in the absolutely worst way possible) so seeing how history would progress without his influence would be an interesting thought experiment.

And one that I would get to see unfold in this scenario!

[Bienenhalde]

Either preventing the Great War or helping Germany win WWI would prove more beneficial, and has better results.

I fail to see how helping Germany win WW1 is beneficial, considering that France would cease to exist as a result...

I doubt that France would cease to exist. Maybe the Germans would install a puppet regime, but the idea that they would somehow cease to exist would be completely implausible. Besides, perhaps if the Germans had defeated the French Republic they could have restored the House of Bourbon.