Would you kill Hitler?

[Alvecia]

Which brings us back round to the start. Makes you pretty unempathetic.
Of course, I’m the generous type, and am more of the opinion that this is just a lie you tell yourself, and that faced with the actual scenario, you’d choose much like we all would.

I'm telling you, he doesn't want to kill Hitler because he's convinced that it's necessary for WWII to happen for his favourite movies and TV shows to exist.

Yes, heavens forbid we lose Lord of the Rings in exchange for millions of lives

[Trivolia]

Would I kill hitler? Well let me go over some of the effects that come to mind if I did.
There is of course the trope,we kill hitler and bam no holocaust, no world war two, all is right. Except, not really. The persecution of Jews wasa thing in europe before Hitler and his Nazi regime, so a holocaust would most likely still be labled in the history books, perhaps to a lesser extent.
As to no world war two? Perhaps and perhaps not, but here are the factors that are the same nonetheless. The German Powderkeg. After the harsh punishements dealt by the central powers of war world two, crossed with the great depression and other social struggles (keep in mind things like communism and anarchism were very prominent in the 1920s up till about the 1940s) would keep Germany in the same position. Perhaps without Hitler, this keg wouldn't explode; the paradox is that Hitler is so wonderfully unqiue it caused a world of devestation. One thing, i believe is certian; a radical figure would have eventually taken power in Germany, and if said figure lacked Hitlers charm, per say, a german civil war might have even occured. Another thing to consider; Hitler wasn't exactly a military genius, the blitzkreig and other advanced German tactics would probably still be on the table. Perhaps without the conflict between Hitler and his generals, those tactics would be put to better use. Or perhaps not. So to summarize; without Hitler, europe is still a pool of radicalism, and Germany is still a powderkeg.
But what about the other problems? The one that first comes to my mind are the communists, the U.S.S.R. i believe eventually there would be a war concerning them, no doubt at least one; against the polish. Why? Because of the soviet-polish war, 1919 to 1921, ending in a polish victory, Poland had secured large parts of the Belaurossian SSR, Ukrainian SSR, and I believe (though am not certian) the Russian SSR itself. The U.S.S.R was also at a defeating end in world war one, and thus its militaristic advancements would also continue i believe.
And there are the other countries. Italy, which eventually would come to want the impossible goal of rebuilding the Roman Empire. Nationalist Spain, which i believe would recieve german support despite Hitler. The problems within the balkans still, as well.
Of course we cannot forget our dear Japan. I honestly know too little to make big predictions, but i can predict they wont just lie down and die, Hitler or not.
So after all this, and much more I could discuss, if given a time machine would I kill Hitler? Probably not, id rather maybe work to help the climate in Germany, or better yet go futher and work for a better treaty. Or perhaps I would kill Hitler, I am in no position to make a decisive decision.

[Ifreann]

No because that choice could Butterfly into all sorts of other things.

Imagine, socialists, real socialists, might have come to power in Germany.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No because that choice could Butterfly into all sorts of other things.

Imagine, socialists, real socialists, might have come to power in Germany.

Or another extremist group likely could have simply taken the place of the NSDAP. Or Stalin might have just marched west and conquered Europe. Or Fascism would never be discredited. Maybe Himmler overthrows Weimar and makes Ordenstaat Germania etc etc.

The potential changes from killing Hitler are near infinite, our modern world be very different without WW2.

[Alvecia]

Imagine, socialists, real socialists, might have come to power in Germany.

Or another extremist group likely could have simply taken the place of the NSDAP. Or Stalin might have just marched west and conquered Europe. Or Fascism would never be discredited. Maybe Himmler overthrows Weimar and makes Ordenstaat Germania etc etc.

The potential changes from killing Hitler are near infinite, our modern world be very different without WW2.

With a time machine, you’re in the perfect position to experiment.

[Trumptonium1]

The world is better off with WW2 having happened than the probable outcome were it not to occur.

[The Blaatschapen]

Or another extremist group likely could have simply taken the place of the NSDAP. Or Stalin might have just marched west and conquered Europe. Or Fascism would never be discredited. Maybe Himmler overthrows Weimar and makes Ordenstaat Germania etc etc.

The potential changes from killing Hitler are near infinite, our modern world be very different without WW2.

With a time machine, you’re in the perfect position to experiment.

Indeed, you could just stop yourself from killing Hitler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CII_Q2aXa-k

[Alvecia]

With a time machine, you’re in the perfect position to experiment.

Indeed, you could just stop yourself from killing Hitler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CII_Q2aXa-k

I feel like the actual outcome would just be you getting all excited to start changing history, only to get cockblocked by yourself each time telling yourself why it would be a horrible idea

[The New California Republic]

Imagine, socialists, real socialists, might have come to power in Germany.

[Ifreann]

Imagine, socialists, real socialists, might have come to power in Germany.

"Old man shakes fist at future"

[Reikoku]

But technology isn't just one thing, in saving potentially millions of lives you have also almost irrefutably 'killed' many more by way of them never being born, couples separated, families never to be, assuming you don't even erase yourself from existence too.

This is one reason I'd never go back in time to change an event, because it would be playing Russian roulette with my and other people's existence.

[Major-Tom]

If I suddenly found myself with access to a time machine, I'd be convinced that I'd finally gone totally mad.

The rest of don't need require that level of proof though

I mean, I'm currently replying to a Dutch/German sheep on the internet, so maybe Major-Tom is Mad-Tom.

[Alvecia]

But technology isn't just one thing, in saving potentially millions of lives you have also almost irrefutably 'killed' many more by way of them never being born, couples separated, families never to be, assuming you don't even erase yourself from existence too.

This is one reason I'd never go back in time to change an event, because it would be playing Russian roulette with my and other people's existence.

Well, for your own it’d be self correcting. Never existing to change history, so it reverts back to you existing to change history, then you can just make a different decision.

[The Blaatschapen]

The rest of don't need require that level of proof though

I mean, I'm currently replying to a Dutch/German sheep on the internet, so maybe Major-Tom is Mad-Tom.

I'm Dutch, just living in Germany.

We don't call Page German either.

[Caracasus]

Love how everyone just assumes we're living in the best universe where Hitler's rise to power worked out for the best in the end. I mean, yeah it's possible that things would have been worse if that hadn't happened but equally it's possible that things might have been resolved without a bloody world war and the mass slaughter that came with it.

[The New California Republic]

Love how everyone just assumes we're living in the best universe where Hitler's rise to power worked out for the best in the end. I mean, yeah it's possible that things would have been worse if that hadn't happened but equally it's possible that things might have been resolved without a bloody world war and the mass slaughter that came with it.

I think people just prefer the known to the unknown, regardless of how shitty the known is. Making adjustments to the course of history post facto is conceptually one of the most dangerous things that humanity could ever do.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Love how everyone just assumes we're living in the best universe where Hitler's rise to power worked out for the best in the end. I mean, yeah it's possible that things would have been worse if that hadn't happened but equally it's possible that things might have been resolved without a bloody world war and the mass slaughter that came with it.

A world war was going to happen no matter what unless we also remove Japan and the Soviets from the equation. Which would fuck things up even more.

[The Blaatschapen]

Love how everyone just assumes we're living in the best universe where Hitler's rise to power worked out for the best in the end. I mean, yeah it's possible that things would have been worse if that hadn't happened but equally it's possible that things might have been resolved without a bloody world war and the mass slaughter that came with it.

I think people just prefer the known to the unknown, regardless of how shitty the known is. Making adjustments to the course of history post facto is conceptually one of the most dangerous things that humanity could ever do.

History is humanity's Stockholm syndrome.

[Engleberg]

Either preventing the Great War or helping Germany win WWI would prove more beneficial, and has better results.

Because someone was bound to come about in post WWI Germany similar to Hitler anyway.

[The New California Republic]

Either preventing the Great War or helping Germany win WWI would prove more beneficial, and has better results.

I fail to see how helping Germany win WW1 is beneficial, considering that France would cease to exist as a result...

[Washington Resistance Army]

Either preventing the Great War or helping Germany win WWI would prove more beneficial, and has better results.

I fail to see how helping Germany win WW1 is beneficial, considering that France would cease to exist as a result...

Because then we get the Kaiserreich timeline and then we get S A V I N K O V

[Hammer Britannia]

Either preventing the Great War or helping Germany win WWI would prove more beneficial, and has better results.

I fail to see how helping Germany win WW1 is beneficial, considering that France would cease to exist as a result...

And that's a bad thing?

[Valrifell]

I fail to see how helping Germany win WW1 is beneficial, considering that France would cease to exist as a result...

And that's a bad thing?

For wine

[Hammer Britannia]

And that's a bad thing?

For wine

I prefer Italian.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And that's a bad thing?

For wine

Mead is better don't even @ me