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by The New California Republic » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:30 pm
by Ifreann » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:33 pm
The New California Republic wrote:As an aside, I think if Hogwarts was actually real they'd likely let muggles be on the teaching staff, to teach subjects that are perhaps connected with magic but do not actually require the use of magic. Perhaps a history course related to the development and uses of magic, for example? Or the ethics of magic?
As for this specific scenario, I'd let them go, yes.
by The New California Republic » Sun Dec 02, 2018 1:39 pm
Ifreann wrote:The New California Republic wrote:As an aside, I think if Hogwarts was actually real they'd likely let muggles be on the teaching staff, to teach subjects that are perhaps connected with magic but do not actually require the use of magic. Perhaps a history course related to the development and uses of magic, for example? Or the ethics of magic?
As for this specific scenario, I'd let them go, yes.
Somehow I can't see the society that hides its very existence from wider humanity lest they be called upon to help Muggles with their problems would be very accepting of Muggles in any kind of position of authority over their children.
by Ifreann » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:42 pm
The New California Republic wrote:Ifreann wrote:Somehow I can't see the society that hides its very existence from wider humanity lest they be called upon to help Muggles with their problems would be very accepting of Muggles in any kind of position of authority over their children.
I think I see the fellow traveller thing from real life, and imagine that it'd play out in a similar way if Hogwarts was real, that if someone displayed an aptitude for teaching the subject and seemed committed to the theory of magic then they might be given a chance.
by The Two Jerseys » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:01 pm
Diopolis wrote:Try exorcism.
by Dumb Ideologies » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:46 pm
by The Blaatschapen » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:48 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:If the kid gets into Gryffindor or Hufflepuff, disown.
If the kid gets into Slytherin or Ravenclaw, they've got secret abilities and are smart enough to use them in a way that they mightn't get caught. Very useful.
Investing in a child is a great gamble in cost terms, this way by 11 I know whether to cut my losses. Great news.
by Diopolis » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:52 pm
The blAAtschApen wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:If the kid gets into Gryffindor or Hufflepuff, disown.
If the kid gets into Slytherin or Ravenclaw, they've got secret abilities and are smart enough to use them in a way that they mightn't get caught. Very useful.
Investing in a child is a great gamble in cost terms, this way by 11 I know whether to cut my losses. Great news.
What's wrong with Hufflepuff?
They're loyal to a fault. Abuse that for personal gain
by Auristania » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:07 pm
by Ithreland » Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:51 pm
by The New California Republic » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:06 pm
Ifreann wrote:The New California Republic wrote:I think I see the fellow traveller thing from real life, and imagine that it'd play out in a similar way if Hogwarts was real, that if someone displayed an aptitude for teaching the subject and seemed committed to the theory of magic then they might be given a chance.
Wizarding society, as presented in the books, is very discriminatory and anti-Muggle. I don't think we see any suggestion that anyone in Wizarding Britain sees Muggles as real people, as thinking, feeling, equally sapient beings. The good characters think it is wrong to torture and kill them for sport, but that's about the extent of it. No one, as I recall, objects in the slightest to how Muggles are routinely subjected to magical assault whenever that is convenient to wizards. Hermione, one of the heroes of the story, the girl who starts a campaign advocating for the rights of House Elves, erases all knowledge of her own existence from her parents' minds when she wants to wander around Britain looking for Horcruxes. That is how little she respects her Muggle parents after a few short years living among wizards.
Maybe someone would hire a Muggle to teach, as you say, History of Magic or the like, but I would expect that to be taken, at best, just as badly as when Dumbledore hired a werewolf, or when it came out that he'd hired a half-giant. Probably even worse.
by Rio Cana » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:12 pm
by Auze » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:12 pm
Ithreland wrote:I've seen the Super Carlin Brother's video on the wizard/muggle monetary exchange rate.
Kiddo would be magic during the school year and subtly reap the rewards the rest of the year.
Several charities would get ridiculous donations and I'd have to be on the phone with Valve/Steam to explain that I'm not doing anything illegal to get this much money.
I'd open an orphanage, buy politicians until abortion is illegal, and pay people to give me their unwanted children. Squibs from my program would be paid to be surrogates/sperm donors and I would hire scientists to quietly do the math on the genes until I could make everybody magic.
Everybody is magic, no more world hunger, and I have spells that turn animals into objects outlawed because it's really freaking unfair.
by Saiwania » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:58 pm
Ifreann wrote:No one, as I recall, objects in the slightest to how Muggles are routinely subjected to magical assault whenever that is convenient to wizards. Hermione, one of the heroes of the story, the girl who starts a campaign advocating for the rights of House Elves, erases all knowledge of her own existence from her parents' minds when she wants to wander around Britain looking for Horcruxes. That is how little she respects her Muggle parents after a few short years living among wizards.
by The Emerald Legion » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:06 pm
Kannap wrote:Ifreann wrote:I'd be worried about Rowling retroactively changing my child's sexual orientation, gender identity, race, or religion, but on the other hand this could be my in to get the Wizarding world to come out of the closet and integrate into wider society and use their magic to help the whole world instead of just themselves.
One look at Donald Trump and they'd tell you your crazy to expect them to leave their secluded world.
Though, that drives a good question. You know how the British Minister of Magic has to tell the Muggle British Prime Minister about important things that might effect Muggles; such as the Quidditch world cup, bringing dangerous magical animals into the country, breakouts from Azkbaban, etc. Mainly as a courtesy of course, since the Muggle Prime Minister can't stop them, but it's a polite thought. Also a meeting between the two to meet each other whenever either one is newly elected.
My question is how would Donald Trump react to the President of MACUSA coming into the Oval office from a portrait in the wall to either meet him for the first time or meeting him again to tell him some important news. How would Trump respond/handle it? I imagine he'd run his bloody mouth and try telling the world about wizards.
by Ifreann » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:54 pm
The New California Republic wrote:Ifreann wrote:Wizarding society, as presented in the books, is very discriminatory and anti-Muggle. I don't think we see any suggestion that anyone in Wizarding Britain sees Muggles as real people, as thinking, feeling, equally sapient beings. The good characters think it is wrong to torture and kill them for sport, but that's about the extent of it. No one, as I recall, objects in the slightest to how Muggles are routinely subjected to magical assault whenever that is convenient to wizards. Hermione, one of the heroes of the story, the girl who starts a campaign advocating for the rights of House Elves, erases all knowledge of her own existence from her parents' minds when she wants to wander around Britain looking for Horcruxes. That is how little she respects her Muggle parents after a few short years living among wizards.
Maybe someone would hire a Muggle to teach, as you say, History of Magic or the like, but I would expect that to be taken, at best, just as badly as when Dumbledore hired a werewolf, or when it came out that he'd hired a half-giant. Probably even worse.
Yes, in hindsight "the bigoted arsehole" did tend to be the norm in the Harry Potter universe.
Saiwania wrote:Ifreann wrote:No one, as I recall, objects in the slightest to how Muggles are routinely subjected to magical assault whenever that is convenient to wizards. Hermione, one of the heroes of the story, the girl who starts a campaign advocating for the rights of House Elves, erases all knowledge of her own existence from her parents' minds when she wants to wander around Britain looking for Horcruxes. That is how little she respects her Muggle parents after a few short years living among wizards.
Hermoine did what she did to protect her parents from harm and to ensure that they'd be fine without her, if Voldemort won.
So far as the Wizarding world being anti-Muggle goes, I think "give me a break." Its clear to me anyways that No-Majs were (for a time anyways) able to pose some threat to Wizards in that they aren't completely defenseless, which is supposedly why the Wizarding world chose to conceal itself like it is. In a direct fight the Wizarding world doesn't appear to be able to fully conquer the non-magical world.
Despite having no magic, Muggles were able to persecute Witches and Wizards during medieval times and the trend for No-Maj weaponry was to only become deadlier over time. I don't expect a gun to be able to kill Wizards
but if Wizards are caught by surprise in something like an ambush, I can see it temporarily incapacitating them or forcing a retreat. The risk of a No-Maj pulling out a gun and shooting at them is probably much greater in the US than would be the case in the UK or any part of Europe.
by Infected Mushroom » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:59 pm
Auze wrote:Ithreland wrote:I've seen the Super Carlin Brother's video on the wizard/muggle monetary exchange rate.
Kiddo would be magic during the school year and subtly reap the rewards the rest of the year.
Several charities would get ridiculous donations and I'd have to be on the phone with Valve/Steam to explain that I'm not doing anything illegal to get this much money.
I'd open an orphanage, buy politicians until abortion is illegal, and pay people to give me their unwanted children. Squibs from my program would be paid to be surrogates/sperm donors and I would hire scientists to quietly do the math on the genes until I could make everybody magic.
Everybody is magic, no more world hunger, and I have spells that turn animals into objects outlawed because it's really freaking unfair.
This is best idea
by Saiwania » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:14 pm
The Emerald Legion wrote:I mean, if their portrayal in the Fantastic Beasts series is any indication, MACUSA is fucking nuts and 11000x more racist against the No-Maj. I very much doubt they care to inform him.
by The Blaatschapen » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:36 am
Ithreland wrote:I've seen the Super Carlin Brother's video on the wizard/muggle monetary exchange rate.
Kiddo would be magic during the school year and subtly reap the rewards the rest of the year.
Several charities would get ridiculous donations and I'd have to be on the phone with Valve/Steam to explain that I'm not doing anything illegal to get this much money.
I'd open an orphanage, buy politicians until abortion is illegal, and pay people to give me their unwanted children. Squibs from my program would be paid to be surrogates/sperm donors and I would hire scientists to quietly do the math on the genes until I could make everybody magic.
Everybody is magic, no more world hunger, and I have spells that turn animals into objects outlawed because it's really freaking unfair.
by New haven america » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:36 am
The blAAtschApen wrote:Ithreland wrote:I've seen the Super Carlin Brother's video on the wizard/muggle monetary exchange rate.
Kiddo would be magic during the school year and subtly reap the rewards the rest of the year.
Several charities would get ridiculous donations and I'd have to be on the phone with Valve/Steam to explain that I'm not doing anything illegal to get this much money.
I'd open an orphanage, buy politicians until abortion is illegal, and pay people to give me their unwanted children. Squibs from my program would be paid to be surrogates/sperm donors and I would hire scientists to quietly do the math on the genes until I could make everybody magic.
Everybody is magic, no more world hunger, and I have spells that turn animals into objects outlawed because it's really freaking unfair.
If Everybody is magic, and friendship is magic, then everybody is friends
by The Blaatschapen » Mon Dec 03, 2018 1:39 am
by Dumb Ideologies » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:10 am
The blAAtschApen wrote:I'm a talking sheep. If I were non magical and one of my brethren were, I'd probably roll my eyes and eat some more grass.
by Infected Mushroom » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:20 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:The blAAtschApen wrote:I'm a talking sheep. If I were non magical and one of my brethren were, I'd probably roll my eyes and eat some more grass.
A magical lamb wouldn't even be allowed into Hogwarts as a familiar. You'd be heading for a civil rights war and a Worms-esque scenario of great sheep legions jumping the Hogwarts towers and detonating themselves.
by Infected Mushroom » Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:22 am
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