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How would you react to having a Witch/Wizard in your family if you're non-magical?

Embrace their magic, be supportive.
40
67%
Hesitantly accept their magic and let them go.
8
13%
Let them decide what they want to do.
10
17%
Ignore the letter(s) or actively try to prevent contact with Wizarding world.
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No votes
"We're going away, far away. Where they can't find us!"
2
3%
 
Total votes : 60

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Postby New haven america » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:15 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
New haven america wrote:There's no American Public Magic Schools though, there's only the 1.

1 school, serving a population of over ~3,500,000 people of 2 different nationalities that lives spread out in an area of over 7,000,000 sq mi.

Am I the only one who sees a problem with this place? Honestly, I think a Public Magic School would probably be better than the half-assed monstrosity that is Ilvermorney.

FOUND IT!

INNER-CITY WIZARD SCHOOL

Still looks more well run than a school with 3000000+ students.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:17 pm

New haven america wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:FOUND IT!

INNER-CITY WIZARD SCHOOL

Still looks more well run than a school with 3000000+ students.

It wouldn't have 3 million students though, their wouldn't even be 3 million witches and wizards in America.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:28 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
New haven america wrote:Still looks more well run than a school with 3000000+ students.

It wouldn't have 3 million students though, their wouldn't even be 3 million witches and wizards in America.

Ah, my bad, I accidently took the US and Canadian populations as a whole. I've been studying for finals a lot today, forgive me. Revised numbers for the school would be ~800,000... that's still not good.

However, yes, there would be 3000000+ wizards in the US and ~300000 in Canada, as ~1% of the human population can practice magic.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:31 pm

New haven america wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:It wouldn't have 3 million students though, their wouldn't even be 3 million witches and wizards in America.

Ah, my bad, I was accidently took the US and Canadian populations as a whole. I've been studying for finals a lot today, forgive me. Revised numbers for the school would be ~800,000... that's still not good.

However, yes, there would be 3000000+ wizards in the US and ~300000 in Canada, as ~1% of the human population can practice magic.

Hogwarts numbers don't stack up then.
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Postby Geneviev » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:31 pm

New haven america wrote:
Xmara wrote:I guess I'd have to let them go. I'd be incredibly jealous that my kid has magical powers and I don't, though.

Wonder if parents of geniuses/prodigies feel that way about their kids' gifts?

A lot of them basically take control of their child's lives and start living vicariously through them.

My parents did that a little with music, but it's better that way. Especially with Hogwarts. Everyone should be allowed to go to Hogwarts.

Heloin wrote:My whole reaction would be, "Cool, so magic does exist. Well off you go kid."

Geneviev wrote:It's probably like in the Bible, practicing magic is a sin too.

The Vatican has policies on how to deal with vampires and demonic possessions, while also noting that vampires don't exists and demons can't possess people.

Well... at least they're trying.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:31 pm

Do Canadians witches get to go to Ilvermorny?

Are there Wizarding schools in the Far East too (Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc)?

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Postby Heloin » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:31 pm

New haven america wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:It wouldn't have 3 million students though, their wouldn't even be 3 million witches and wizards in America.

Ah, my bad, I was accidently took the US and Canadian populations as a whole. I've been studying for finals a lot today, forgive me. Revised numbers for the school would be ~800,000... that's still not good.

However, yes, there would be 3000000+ wizards in the US and ~300000 in Canada, as ~1% of the human population can practice magic.

I've never read or watched Harry Potter so I guess here's as good of a place as any to ask. Why the hell can't any person learn to use magic?

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Postby New haven america » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:32 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
New haven america wrote:Ah, my bad, I was accidently took the US and Canadian populations as a whole. I've been studying for finals a lot today, forgive me. Revised numbers for the school would be ~800,000... that's still not good.

However, yes, there would be 3000000+ wizards in the US and ~300000 in Canada, as ~1% of the human population can practice magic.

Hogwarts numbers don't stack up then.

Yes, that's a noted plot hole people have been talking about for years now.

There are a lot of plot holes and things that don't really sense in the HP universe. Almost as if JK didn't have that much a roadmap when writing the books or something...
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:33 pm

Heloin wrote:
New haven america wrote:Ah, my bad, I was accidently took the US and Canadian populations as a whole. I've been studying for finals a lot today, forgive me. Revised numbers for the school would be ~800,000... that's still not good.

However, yes, there would be 3000000+ wizards in the US and ~300000 in Canada, as ~1% of the human population can practice magic.

I've never read or watched Harry Potter so I guess here's as good of a place as any to ask. Why the hell can't any person learn to use magic?


Because as Malfoy would put it:

“Clearly, some of us are BATTER then others”

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Postby New haven america » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:35 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Do Canadians witches get to go to Ilvermorny?

Are there Wizarding schools in the Far East too (Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc)?

Yes, Ilvermorny serves both the entirety of the US and Canada (Even Quebec).

No, I don't know how that works.
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Postby Bering » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:36 pm

New haven america wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:It wouldn't have 3 million students though, their wouldn't even be 3 million witches and wizards in America.

Ah, my bad, I was accidently took the US and Canadian populations as a whole. I've been studying for finals a lot today, forgive me. Revised numbers for the school would be ~800,000... that's still not good.

However, yes, there would be 3000000+ wizards in the US and ~300000 in Canada, as ~1% of the human population can practice magic.

I mean, I wouldn't put too much stock in any solid number, since at one point Rowling said the Wizarding population of the UK was 3,000.

All told, it's been a fairly inconsistent number: http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Wizar ... the_scenes

Not to argue your point of one school being to few for the US and Canada. Though if it were 1%, the number would be closer to 400k based on these infographics and dividing by 100:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... 1538604983
https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... 1538604942

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:36 pm

New haven america wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:Do Canadians witches get to go to Ilvermorny?

Are there Wizarding schools in the Far East too (Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc)?

Yes, Ilvermorny serves both the entirety of the US and Canada (Even Quebec).

No, I don't know how that works.


Was there a Wizarding version of decolonization/American Revolution?

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Postby Geneviev » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:36 pm

Heloin wrote:
New haven america wrote:Ah, my bad, I was accidently took the US and Canadian populations as a whole. I've been studying for finals a lot today, forgive me. Revised numbers for the school would be ~800,000... that's still not good.

However, yes, there would be 3000000+ wizards in the US and ~300000 in Canada, as ~1% of the human population can practice magic.

I've never read or watched Harry Potter so I guess here's as good of a place as any to ask. Why the hell can't any person learn to use magic?

They have to be born with the ability.
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Postby Bering » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:37 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:Do Canadians witches get to go to Ilvermorny?

Are there Wizarding schools in the Far East too (Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc)?

This is Japan's at least: http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Mahou ... l_of_Magic

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Postby New haven america » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:38 pm

Heloin wrote:
New haven america wrote:Ah, my bad, I was accidently took the US and Canadian populations as a whole. I've been studying for finals a lot today, forgive me. Revised numbers for the school would be ~800,000... that's still not good.

However, yes, there would be 3000000+ wizards in the US and ~300000 in Canada, as ~1% of the human population can practice magic.

I've never read or watched Harry Potter so I guess here's as good of a place as any to ask. Why the hell can't any person learn to use magic?

Magic is genetic, and better yet, it's also a recessive trait. So not anyone can learn it, you have to be born into it. (There are some exceptions though, like people who have 2 regular parents but develop magical abilities despite that fact, or people with 1 or 2 magical parents but never develop powers, etc...)

There's a lot of inbreeding and interfamily marriage going on in the HP universe...
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Postby Bering » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:40 pm

New haven america wrote:There's a lot of inbreeding and interfamily marriage going on in the HP universe...

And the fact that that's probably one of their lesser problems speaks volumes of at least UK wizarding society.

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Postby New haven america » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:48 pm

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New haven america wrote:Yes, Ilvermorny serves both the entirety of the US and Canada (Even Quebec).

No, I don't know how that works.


Was there a Wizarding version of decolonization/American Revolution?

No idea.

And looking at the Fantastic Beasts series, I don't think Rowling has any either.
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Postby Heloin » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:49 pm

New haven america wrote:
Heloin wrote:I've never read or watched Harry Potter so I guess here's as good of a place as any to ask. Why the hell can't any person learn to use magic?

Magic is genetic, and better yet, it's also a recessive trait. So not anyone can learn it, you have to be born into it. (There are some exceptions though, like people who have 2 regular parents but develop magical abilities despite that fact, or people with 1 or 2 magical parents but never develop powers, etc...)

There's a lot of inbreeding and interfamily marriage going on in the HP universe...

So wizards are basically just Hill Billy's according to J. K. Rowling?

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:54 pm

Heloin wrote:
New haven america wrote:Magic is genetic, and better yet, it's also a recessive trait. So not anyone can learn it, you have to be born into it. (There are some exceptions though, like people who have 2 regular parents but develop magical abilities despite that fact, or people with 1 or 2 magical parents but never develop powers, etc...)

There's a lot of inbreeding and interfamily marriage going on in the HP universe...

So wizards are basically just Hill Billy's according to J. K. Rowling?


sort of

however, pure blood status is celebrated (even though it maybe implies more inbreeding)
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:56 pm

New haven america wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Was there a Wizarding version of decolonization/American Revolution?

No idea.

And looking at the Fantastic Beasts series, I don't think Rowling has any either.


Muggles had a reason for separating from the British Empire (tax evasion by the rich, democratic propaganda etc)

What's the wizarding excuse for separating from the British Ministry of Magic/Crown?

If anything, the wizards in America should have stayed loyal to London

...

Also, why the hell does Grindelwald need an Obscurial when he already has the supposedly unbeatable Elder Wand (its not actually unbeatable but he doesn't know that right)?
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Postby New haven america » Sat Dec 01, 2018 9:59 pm

Heloin wrote:
New haven america wrote:Magic is genetic, and better yet, it's also a recessive trait. So not anyone can learn it, you have to be born into it. (There are some exceptions though, like people who have 2 regular parents but develop magical abilities despite that fact, or people with 1 or 2 magical parents but never develop powers, etc...)

There's a lot of inbreeding and interfamily marriage going on in the HP universe...

So wizards are basically just Hill Billy's according to J. K. Rowling?

Kinda. It's like of mix of royal inbreeding (To keep titles, money, property, etc... in check) and good ol' Alabama lovin' (There's no one else around...).
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Postby Bering » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:00 pm

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New haven america wrote:No idea.

And looking at the Fantastic Beasts series, I don't think Rowling has any either.


Muggles had a reason for separating from the British Empire (tax evasion by the rich, democratic propaganda etc)

What's the wizarding excuse for separating from the British Ministry of Magic/Crown?

If anything, the wizards in America should have stayed loyal to London

...

Also, why the hell does Grindelwald need an Obscurial when he already has the supposedly unbeatable Elder Wand (its not actually unbeatable but he doesn't know that right)?

Remember, the original holder of the wand was murdered for it (and is a well known story) and it has changed hands several times in the past. Just because he has the strongest wand in the world, doesn't mean he can't be overwhelmed by numbers of ambushed.

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Postby Heloin » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:01 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Heloin wrote:So wizards are basically just Hill Billy's according to J. K. Rowling?


sort of

however, pure blood status is celebrated (even though it maybe implies more inbreeding)

The great wizarding house of Hatfield and the rival wizard house McCoy.

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Postby New haven america » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:02 pm

Heloin wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
sort of

however, pure blood status is celebrated (even though it maybe implies more inbreeding)

The great wizarding house of Hatfield and the rival wizard house McCoy.

My business prof. is a Hatfield.

Doesn't relate to anything, just felt like sharing.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:28 pm

Bering wrote:
New haven america wrote:There's a lot of inbreeding and interfamily marriage going on in the HP universe...

And the fact that that's probably one of their lesser problems speaks volumes of at least UK wizarding society.

Like how poverty and homelessness still somehow exists in the wizarding community even though they're capable of making interiors over 10x their size? Or how you could theoretically trade regular money for wizard money and get rich off of the trade off (Seriously, Rowling has never covered how this could be prevented)? Or the rampant racism going on in the community (With a school who's system seemingly encourages it)? Etc...
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