The Queer Supremacy

[Agarntrop]

"Homophobia" will be diagnosed as a mental illness in the future. If you do not support gay marriage, they will say you have a mental disorder according to the clinical guides. Once polyamory or whatever gets officially considered queer, and bigamy is considered a Constitutional right in the U.S. under the 14th Amendment, it's possible we'd see something similar there. Some today say it is wrong to expect transsexuals to tell those they're dating that they're trans, the same logic will be applied to "polyamors".

And before anyone says "slippery slope fallacy," I might remind you that there is nothing illogical about presuming trends continue based on their previous history. The left wing notion of "progress" is based precisely on slippery slope thinking, only positive.

I like to imagine homophobia as a word that means what it looks like it means = fear of gay people, rather than just some lousy word for people who hate gays. I like to imagine I can pop around a corner wearing a pink shirt and saying "ooga booga" and causing somebody to shit their pants because they're so scared of me doing that.

Literally, that's what 'homophobia' means. People who hate gays should be known as 'anti-homosexuals'

[Mardla]

"Homophobia" will be diagnosed as a mental illness in the future. If you do not support gay marriage, they will say you have a mental disorder according to the clinical guides. Once polyamory or whatever gets officially considered queer, and bigamy is considered a Constitutional right in the U.S. under the 14th Amendment, it's possible we'd see something similar there. Some today say it is wrong to expect transsexuals to tell those they're dating that they're trans, the same logic will be applied to "polyamors".

And before anyone says "slippery slope fallacy," I might remind you that there is nothing illogical about presuming trends continue based on their previous history. The left wing notion of "progress" is based precisely on slippery slope thinking, only positive.

This is literally the definition of a slippery slope.

It's also fearmongering nonsense.

Slippery slopes actually exist, in fact that's the entire premise of Whig history.

[Mardla]

As many of you are aware, Twitter recently banned "misgendering" people, i.e. referring to them by sex.

Putting aside the question of whether amputation of male genitals actually turns one into a female, I bring to you something perhaps more critical: while Twitter is privately owned, what they're doing is quite possibly indicative of future state law. That is, making it criminal hate speech to "misgender" someone. The questions here are: is this likely, and do you support it?

My answers are that it is likely to happen in some countries (not the U.S.), possibly even become an EU law.

As to whether I support, I don't. It would be forced ideological redefinition of our words, which is a very bad precedent.

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>Twitter, a Private bussiness can't ban people if they misgender people.

>A baker, a Private bussiness can refuse to serve gay people based on his religious beliefs.

Conservative hypocrisy at it's finest.

I never said Twitter can't ban people. I simply said it is a possible indicator for future hate speech laws.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

"Homophobia" will be diagnosed as a mental illness in the future. If you do not support gay marriage, they will say you have a mental disorder according to the clinical guides. Once polyamory or whatever gets officially considered queer, and bigamy is considered a Constitutional right in the U.S. under the 14th Amendment, it's possible we'd see something similar there. Some today say it is wrong to expect transsexuals to tell those they're dating that they're trans, the same logic will be applied to "polyamors".

And before anyone says "slippery slope fallacy," I might remind you that there is nothing illogical about presuming trends continue based on their previous history. The left wing notion of "progress" is based precisely on slippery slope thinking, only positive.

I like to imagine homophobia as a word that means what it looks like it means = fear of gay people, rather than just some lousy word for people who hate gays. I like to imagine I can pop around a corner wearing a pink shirt and saying "ooga booga" and causing somebody to shit their pants because they're so scared of me doing that.

I'm pretty sure they'd get triggered by something as benign as me wearing black boots with pink bootlaces.

That said, I ain't gay, just bisexual. It's gay to be gay.

[Ifreann]

I like to imagine homophobia as a word that means what it looks like it means = fear of gay people, rather than just some lousy word for people who hate gays. I like to imagine I can pop around a corner wearing a pink shirt and saying "ooga booga" and causing somebody to shit their pants because they're so scared of me doing that.

Phobia means fear or horror, it can mean general aversion. See "hydrophobe", which is a molecular property.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Whig history.

Do I want to know what this is? I feel like I don't.

[Saint Alban Islands]

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My answers are that it is likely to happen in some countries (not the U.S.), possibly even become an EU law.

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Possibly even become an EU law? Do you have any sources for that or is it just blankI fEeL tHrEaThEnEd bs?

I really dislike the EU but they won‘t ever do something like this. There‘s like no way you can make money by criminalizing „misgendering“. And that‘s pretty much what they‘re in the game for

[Mardla]

Whig history.

Do I want to know what this is? I feel like I don't.

Whig history (or Whig historiography) is an approach to historiography that presents the past as an inevitable progression towards ever greater liberty and enlightenment, culminating in modern forms of liberal democracy and constitutional monarchy.

In general, Whig historians emphasize the rise of constitutional government, personal freedoms and scientific progress. The term is often applied generally (and pejoratively) to histories that present the past as the inexorable march of progress towards enlightenment. The term is also used extensively in the history of science to mean historiography that focuses on the successful chain of theories and experiments that led to present-day science, while ignoring failed theories and dead ends.[1]

Whig history is a form of liberalism, putting its faith in the power of human reason to reshape society for the better, regardless of past history and tradition. It proposes the inevitable progress of humankind.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_history

[Kannap]

>Twitter, a Private bussiness can't ban people if they misgender people.

>A baker, a Private bussiness can refuse to serve gay people based on his religious beliefs.

Conservative hypocrisy at it's finest.

I never said Twitter can't ban people. I simply said it is a possible indicator for future hate speech laws.

A shitty potential indicator, to be honest, and one that doesn't potentially indicate future hate speech laws at all.

I mean, have you see the political climate? We can't even get anti-discrimination laws that guarantee we'll not be fired for being gay, or baked a cake despite being gay. I doubt we're going to jump over all the small stepping stones towards equal rights to try and pass a boulder.

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Do I want to know what this is? I feel like I don't.

Whig history (or Whig historiography) is an approach to historiography that presents the past as an inevitable progression towards ever greater liberty and enlightenment, culminating in modern forms of liberal democracy and constitutional monarchy.

In general, Whig historians emphasize the rise of constitutional government, personal freedoms and scientific progress. The term is often applied generally (and pejoratively) to histories that present the past as the inexorable march of progress towards enlightenment. The term is also used extensively in the history of science to mean historiography that focuses on the successful chain of theories and experiments that led to present-day science, while ignoring failed theories and dead ends.[1]

Whig history is a form of liberalism, putting its faith in the power of human reason to reshape society for the better, regardless of past history and tradition. It proposes the inevitable progress of humankind.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whig_history

Oh, so it's basically propaganda.

Bleugh.

[Caracasus]

You spend an awful lot of time thinking about gay people mate.

[Mardla]

[quote="Kannap";p="34977481"We can't even get anti-discrimination laws that guarantee we'll not be fired for being gay, or baked a cake despite being gay.[/quote]

That's not true at all, the court that that particular application of the law had faulty procedure, not that the law itself was illegal.

[Mardla]

You spend an awful lot of time thinking about gay people mate.

I really don't, I only post a lot on the topic on this site.

[Kannap]

You spend an awful lot of time thinking about gay people mate.

I also spend a lot of time thinking about gay people --> I'm gay --> Is OP also a gay man?

[Migdal Bavel]

>Twitter, a Private bussiness can't ban people if they misgender people.

>A baker, a Private bussiness can refuse to serve gay people based on his religious beliefs.

Conservative hypocrisy at it's finest.

Is it any less hypocritical to argue that the baker can't refuse to serve people but Twitter can?

In any case, the difference is that Twitter is a lot more powerful than the baker. The gay people can go to another baker, but there isn't really another Twitter.

[Valgora]

You spend an awful lot of time thinking about gay people mate.

I also spend a lot of time thinking about gay people --> I'm gay --> Is OP also a gay man?

Honestly, it is actually possible.
Ever heard of reaction formation?

[Democratic Empire of Romania]

In my language gender = sex. It is regulated that in Romanian, you refer to someone by their biological sex. If there's a group of persons which are either male or female, you use nouns. And if one is Intersex, well they're intersex.

[Kannap]

You spend an awful lot of time thinking about gay people mate.

I really don't, I only post a lot on the topic on this site.

You spend an awful lot of time thinking about gay NationStates users mate.

[Caracasus]

You spend an awful lot of time thinking about gay people mate.

I really don't, I only post a lot on the topic on this site.

You really do mate. You'd put the most strident Student Uni LGBT rights activist to shame in terms of man hours dedicated to thinking about it.

[The Holy Therns]

What I was looking for was a cause, whereas homophobic is an effect.

So it's really not.

"Homophobia" will be diagnosed as a mental illness in the future. If you do not support gay marriage, they will say you have a mental disorder according to the clinical guides. Once polyamory or whatever gets officially considered queer, and bigamy is considered a Constitutional right in the U.S. under the 14th Amendment, it's possible we'd see something similar there. Some today say it is wrong to expect transsexuals to tell those they're dating that they're trans, the same logic will be applied to "polyamors".

And before anyone says "slippery slope fallacy," I might remind you that there is nothing illogical about presuming trends continue based on their previous history. The left wing notion of "progress" is based precisely on slippery slope thinking, only positive.

And pigs will fly, and you specifically will physically transform into a manatee and vote for Joe Exotic.

[Agarntrop]

You spend an awful lot of time thinking about gay people mate.

I also spend a lot of time thinking about gay people --> I'm gay --> Is OP also a gay man?

Have you heard about our Mardla? He's a gay man now.

[Kannap]

I also spend a lot of time thinking about gay people --> I'm gay --> Is OP also a gay man?

Have you heard about our Mardla? He's a gay man now.

Everything written on the internet is true, so this must be canon now.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I really don't, I only post a lot on the topic on this site.

You spend an awful lot of time thinking about gay NationStates users mate.

Great, now I'm thinking about gay people too...

Y'all are evil!

[Vassenor]

In my language gender = sex. It is regulated that in Romanian, you refer to someone by their biological sex. If there's a group of persons which are either male or female, you use nouns. And if one is Intersex, well they're intersex.

But how do you know what someone's biological sex is?

[Agarntrop]

Have you heard about our Mardla? He's a gay man now.

Everything written on the internet is true, so this must be canon now.

It was a Catherine Tate reference