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Postby Mardla » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:48 pm

A few days ago, The New York Times ran a piece entitled, My New Vagina Won't Make Me Happy
And it shouldn't have to


Here is an excerpt

Next Thursday, I will get a vagina. The procedure will last around six hours, and I will be in recovery for at least three months. Until the day I die, my body will regard the vagina as a wound; as a result, it will require regular, painful attention to maintain. This is what I want, but there is no guarantee it will make me happier. In fact, I don’t expect it to. That shouldn’t disqualify me from getting it.


And

I was not suicidal before hormones. Now I often am.

I won’t go through with it, probably. Killing is icky. I tell you this not because I’m cruising for sympathy but to prepare you for what I’m telling you now: I still want this, all of it. I want the tears; I want the pain. Transition doesn’t have to make me happy for me to want it. Left to their own devices, people will rarely pursue what makes them feel good in the long term. Desire and happiness are independent agents.


Here is an excellent article on that piece,

Freeing the autonomous will from sex and gender norms is the summum bonum of contemporary American progressivism. The insatiably miserable Andrea Long Chu is its incarnation.


https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... ke-vagina/

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Here are my two cents: identity has warped from a common denominator into something very individualistic and narcissistic. Chu's mindset here is a symptom of a rabid and destructive individualism. More and more the queer identity is less a matter of being a part of society, and more is becoming a way to tear apart society by attacking common denominators (even gender itself is attacked by some as simply LARP'ing, see Judith Butler).
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Postby Petrasylvania » Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:55 pm

"Homos Are Destroying Society." That's a brand new argument.
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:01 pm

“Queer” identity is just silly. It’s made up by silly people who want attention. It’s nothing more and nothing less
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Postby Mardla » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:12 pm

Thermodolia wrote:“Queer” identity is just silly. It’s made up by silly people who want attention. It’s nothing more and nothing less

Can't argue with you there.
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Postby Secret State Police » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:14 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:"Homos Are Destroying Society." That's a brand new argument.

Glad there is a brand new rebuttal to compliment it.

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Postby Erythrean Thebes » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:30 pm

What do you want instead?
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Postby Benuty » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:35 pm

Erythrean Thebes wrote:What do you want instead?

Quite frankly maybe society needs destruction just so all the ideologies from the 1960s can finally die?
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Postby Mardla » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:36 pm

Erythrean Thebes wrote:What do you want instead?

New malpractice laws.
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Postby Estonland » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:38 pm

Sounds like the said person doesn't actually have gender dysphoria and is a transtrender, if her(his?) body is rejecting transistion. A successful, normal sex reassignment surgery won't create agony in someone with gender dysphoria
To hell with those types, they steal resources from us actual transgender people
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Postby Mardla » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:40 pm

Benuty wrote:
Erythrean Thebes wrote:What do you want instead?

Quite frankly maybe society needs destruction just so all the ideologies from the 1960s can finally die?

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Postby Erythrean Thebes » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:05 pm

Mardla wrote:
Erythrean Thebes wrote:What do you want instead?

New malpractice laws.

I guess, but the mental health problem will still be there
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Postby Chowkaria » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:09 pm

"Queer" applies to all LGBT+ people, no?

Not just the "T".
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:11 pm

Chowkaria wrote:"Queer" applies to all LGBT+ people, no?

Not just the "T".

“Queer” is a slur that some silly people have used as an attention seeking word
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Postby Mardla » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:15 pm

Erythrean Thebes wrote:
Mardla wrote:New malpractice laws.

I guess, but the mental health problem will still be there

Something no doubt exacerbated by safe spaces, subversive media, and progressive control of schools
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:19 pm

Seriously, is it that hard to be a normal member of society without trying to attract attention by pretending you are some sort of special needs group?

FFS, I'm autistic and I don't go around shuffling and yelling that society should bend to my whims and needs.

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Postby The Great Imperator Jeffrey » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:23 pm

Mardla wrote:
Erythrean Thebes wrote:I guess, but the mental health problem will still be there

Something no doubt exacerbated by safe spaces, subversive media, and progressive control of schools

I completely agree with you there.
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Postby Erythrean Thebes » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:25 pm

Mardla wrote:
Erythrean Thebes wrote:I guess, but the mental health problem will still be there

Something no doubt exacerbated by safe spaces, subversive media, and progressive control of schools

You have to argue for this view. It doesn't make any sense. You have a brain, and you like to speak about having a mind too. Your mind isn't ill when it's in a state of conflict and confusion and feeling well when it's in a state of peace and order?
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:25 pm

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:28 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Seriously, is it that hard to be a normal member of society without trying to attract attention by pretending you are some sort of special needs group?

FFS, I'm autistic and I don't go around shuffling and yelling that society should bend to my whims and needs.


It all started when couples wanted to have marriage for tax discounts.

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Postby Zrhajan » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:33 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Chowkaria wrote:"Queer" applies to all LGBT+ people, no?

Not just the "T".

“Queer” is a slur that some silly people have used as an attention seeking word

Ah yes, there has never ever before been a case of people reclaiming slurs. This is something which never happens, and anyone who says otherwise is a lying liar.
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Postby Chowkaria » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:38 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Seriously, is it that hard to be a normal member of society without trying to attract attention by pretending you are some sort of special needs group?

FFS, I'm autistic and I don't go around shuffling and yelling that society should bend to my whims and needs.
Thing is, people being trans doesn't even effect people. They've always been there, and it's no surprise that they want some sort of justice. Not sure what I think of the OP's article though.
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Postby Risottia » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:42 pm

Mardla wrote:
Erythrean Thebes wrote:I guess, but the mental health problem will still be there

Something no doubt exacerbated by safe spaces, subversive media, and progressive control of schools

And the banks owned by the Jewish freemason commie atheist capitalists. Never forget them.
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Postby Mardla » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:52 pm

Risottia wrote:
Mardla wrote:Something no doubt exacerbated by safe spaces, subversive media, and progressive control of schools

And the banks owned by the Jewish freemason commie atheist capitalists. Never forget them.
Which leads to the question... Why did you "forget" to mention them? Are you part of a plot to sap and soil the soul of the Nation, one and indivisible under Aryan Jeesus?

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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:56 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Seriously, is it that hard to be a normal member of society without trying to attract attention by pretending you are some sort of special needs group?

FFS, I'm autistic and I don't go around shuffling and yelling that society should bend to my whims and needs.

Wait you’re autistic? Huh. Could’ve fooled me
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Postby Thermodolia » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:59 pm

Zrhajan wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:“Queer” is a slur that some silly people have used as an attention seeking word

Ah yes, there has never ever before been a case of people reclaiming slurs. This is something which never happens, and anyone who says otherwise is a lying liar.

It hasn’t be “reclaimed”. It’s still a slur. And is viewed as such by a good majority. It’s just a few certain factions that want to “reclaim” it because they want to be different.

It’s still a slur, one that I hate more than faggot
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