How should we deal with North Korea?

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Leave them alone. The whole reason they built nukes in the first place was deterrence from invasion. It was a rational thing to do. They are not going to start a war they can't win, they are interested in self-preservation.

[Tobleste]

Do the same thing that's being done now. The only changes I'd make are to punish any Chinese companies that enable NK to avoid sanctions and to never allow Trump into a room with anyone from NK again. He'd give them a place on the UN security council if they let him build a hotel in Pyongyang and said he had a 6 pack.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Either unite the two in to one whole Korea or give NK back to Japan.

[Telconi]

Either unite the two in to one whole Korea or give NK back to Japan.

Kwantung Army version 2.0?

[Arlenton]

Assassinate the leader.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Either unite the two in to one whole Korea or give NK back to Japan.

Kwantung Army version 2.0?

No I was thinking peaceful annexation.

The people of NK would have food, and enjoy getting an upgrade to the 21 century.

All without warcrimes.

[Erythrean Thebes]

We all know North Korea is an oppressive regime that needs to be toppled but the question is how? We can't just go in guns blazing as that would anger Russia and China and would lead the millions of civilian deaths and might start WW3. Sanctions are doing jackshit and the UN aint going to do anything either and assassinating Kim Jong UN is difficult and is not guaranteed to work. So NSG how do you think we should deal with them?

As for my thoughts? Well first off nuking them is not an option. It would kill to many innocents and might lead to North Korean retaliation if we fail to take out their retaliatory assets. Also it would spread radioactive waste into South Korea, China, and Japan. So in my opinion the best way to deal with North Korea is to work with China and Russia on this. They are North Korea's main line of defense so remove them and we may be able to take more direct action against North Korea. Now of course an invasion would be a bad idea and getting China and Russia to agree to help deal with North Korea will be difficult. But I think it may be possible and their cooperation is going to be the only real way we have at taking the North Korean regime down other than just waiting.

But anyway NSG how should we deal with the North Korean regime?

If you want to topple North Korea for being oppressive, personally what do you think if the United States probably has to reel back some of its principled opposition to Russian or Chinese authoritarianism to achieve their support? Actually, it raises a large dilemma: through cooperation the US can probably get China and/or Russia to bring an end to the NK nuclear program, but I don't foresee any way the US can get either major power to support a regime change, aside from one that makes the Juche state more stable and if anything more dangerous to the US.

If the US managed a deal with China on North Korea in total, and not just regarding WMDs, more likely than not China would only accept a unification deal which would put a pragmatic socialist government in power over the peninsula, doubtless as a political neutral in East Asia (being the USA's price on China I expect). For the US to come out on top in the Korea scenario, unfortunately, they actually need Kim Jong-Un to go nuts and give them a clear justification (one which China can't intercede against) to invade his country. The question is, would Kim ever snap and blunder beyond the protection offered by China? I really doubt it. What he's doing right now is frankly the one viable path for himself personally. Since China wants him gone just as much as the US, his nuclear program forces China to let him govern the country and in consequence gives him the protection of China which stops the US from intervening to end his nuclear ambitions. So perhaps a China-US deal on the nuclear program (Kim will never take it though) would open the door to removing his regime, but if so it will only lead to some faceless military officer at best or even to a unified Korea without an alliance to the US, at worst.

To make it really frank (and bleak), after what you've seen, heard, and experienced online and on the news for the last two years, do you even believe that China would accept the narrative of a negative and value-loaded portrayal of a hypothetical NK nuclear attack, on say Japan? In my opinion they seem well-positioned now to ignore the antisocial implications of a strike and double-down and tell the US to suck it up and go home. I mean they only have 30 years before they run out of earth to live on.

[Telconi]

Kwantung Army version 2.0?

No I was thinking peaceful annexation.

The people of NK would have food, and enjoy getting an upgrade to the 21 century.

All without warcrimes.

Yeah, I fail to see why Japan should get a do-over. They weren't particularly nice last time.

As for 'peaceful annexation' I highly doubt you'll get anything close to that, regardless of who is doing the annexing.

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Either unite the two in to one whole Korea or give NK back to Japan.

Korea being subjugated by Japan is what led to NK's totalitarian Juche regime in the first place.

[Washington Resistance Army]

We should embrace Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism and become stalwart allies of the DPRK.

[The Liberated Territories]

We should embrace Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism and become stalwart allies of the DPRK.

Please stop this nonsense WRA and come back to the liberty side.

[Telconi]

We should embrace Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism and become stalwart allies of the DPRK.

Please stop this nonsense WRA and come back to the liberty side.

There isn't a liberty side...

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Either unite the two in to one whole Korea or give NK back to Japan.

Korea being subjugated by Japan is what led to NK's totalitarian Juche regime in the first place.

Then how did SK turn out ok?

They where both occupied by Japan.

[Novus America]

Korea being subjugated by Japan is what led to NK's totalitarian Juche regime in the first place.

Then how did SK turn out ok?

They where both occupied by Japan.

Because Stalin never got his paws on the South, although he tried.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Then how did SK turn out ok?

They where both occupied by Japan.

Because Stalin never got his paws on the South, although he tried.

So it wasn't anything Japan did at all that turned nk into hell.

[Telconi]

Because Stalin never got his paws on the South, although he tried.

So it wasn't anything Japan did at all that turned nk into hell.

Yeah, SK being fine to you 70 years after the fact doesn't mean the Japanese were care bears.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So it wasn't anything Japan did at all that turned nk into hell.

Yeah, SK being fine to you 70 years after the fact doesn't mean the Japanese were care bears.

I'll be honest, that give NK to Japan part was a joke.

Reunification is the only way to go.

[Andsed]

So it wasn't anything Japan did at all that turned nk into hell.

Yeah, SK being fine to you 70 years after the fact doesn't mean the Japanese were care bears.

Yeah seriously the Japanese were fucking brutal. Look up comfort women and the rape of Nanjing if you want some examples.

[Klorgia1]

Diplomatic relations and bringing them into the global trade order. It will put a real threat to our tariffs, and hopefully bring them closer to unification with the South.

[Agarntrop]

Yeah, SK being fine to you 70 years after the fact doesn't mean the Japanese were care bears.

I'll be honest, that give NK to Japan part was a joke.

Reunification is the only way to go.

Anyways, since North Korea is reforming, it dosen't really need to be 'dealt with' at the moment. It could potentiality become like Vietnam in the future, a former pariah that gradually opens up.

[Tobleste]

Diplomatic relations and bringing them into the global trade order. It will put a real threat to our tariffs, and hopefully bring them closer to unification with the South.

Didn't work with China. They seem to be exporting their tyranny rather than importing democracy. I know NK is different but not different enough I imagine.

[Washington Resistance Army]

We should embrace Kimilsungism-Kimjongilism and become stalwart allies of the DPRK.

Please stop this nonsense WRA and come back to the liberty side.

Look into yourself and you'll see Juche is the one true path.

[Andsed]

Please stop this nonsense WRA and come back to the liberty side.

Look into yourself and you'll see Juche is the one true path.

This is some A class humor. But seriously you don't actually think we should in anyway support North Korea right?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Look into yourself and you'll see Juche is the one true path.

This is some A class humor. But seriously you don't actually think we should in anyway support North Korea right?

Yes. We should also start importing North Korean weaponry because it's A E S T H E T I C.

[Eodor]

This is some A class humor. But seriously you don't actually think we should in anyway support North Korea right?

Yes. We should also start importing North Korean weaponry because it's A E S T H E T I C.

Finally, a true comrade who sees the light.