Russian seizure of Ukranian Warships

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

Usually support ships are things like oilers or some shit

That’s what I thought
So it sounds like, outgunned, but not horribly outgunned

Oilers, tugboats, 200 year old museum ships, a. canoe. Support ship is a genaric term for anything else they use in any capacity. They might have one or two oilers but chances are nearly all of those craft are under 20ft. and only armed with a flare gun.

so yes, they are horribly outgunned by the Russian coast guard alone.

[The New California Republic]

The Russians trapped the ships by parking a tanker across the Kerch Strait, and deployed fighters and helicopters to the area:

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So they didn't even lose to a coast guard; they lost to a tanker! New level of Ukrainian Incompetence achieved! One could say that their military's reputation tanked even more.

Correction: they lost to dirty tricks in conjunction with an attack by other ships, as any naval force potentially could...

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No they weren't. He was whining about several different news stories and perceived media bias. 1 of his posts out of 4 was related to the subject matter of the thread. He was arguing around the subject, rather than about it...

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

They surrendered to a vastly superior force sparing the lives of the crew and at least temporarily averting a war. The commander was smart for doing this. It will probably ruin his career though.

The real question is has freedom of Navigation through the strait officially ended?

[Novus America]

They surrendered to a vastly superior force sparing the lives of the crew and at least temporarily averting a war. The commander was smart for doing this. It will probably ruin his career though.

The real question is has freedom of Navigation through the strait officially ended?

And if it has something needs to be done about Russia’s blatant violation of international law and the rights of Ukraine. (Not that Russia gives a shit about either).

[Painisia]

This is not actually shocking. Aren't they technically in war together?

[Trumptonium1]

What do you do when you hate both?

Russia gives credit to Operation Unthinkable year on year.

[Novus America]

This is not actually shocking. Aren't they technically in war together?

That is complicated. Neither has declared war, and Russia pretends it is not involved in East Ukraine (despite that obviously being BS).

Also the conflict at this point is low intensity for the most part. The major combat has stopped although Russia still illegally occupies Ukrainian territory (despite denying that it does).

[-Ocelot-]

This is not actually shocking. Aren't they technically in war together?

They have been at war for years, just not officially.

[Sir Cumberbun of Gloucester]

This is not actually shocking. Aren't they technically in war together?

They have been at war for years, just not officially.

Wouldn't martial law put Ukraine on a de facto war footing? And wouldn't that allow Ukraine to step up its game in the east?

[German-Democratic-Republic]

Full support for Russia should be given. This is just another provocation of the Ukrainian fascists. I hope the people in the NATO countries realize that Putin only wants peace and protection for the Russian minority and the safety of Russian borders. NATO stands no chance against the Russian army, as EU and USA are weakened while Russia is united and strong. Ukraine should remeber it was Russians who liberated the country and fellow Ukrainians who worked with the Nazis, the same ideology now in government of Kiev.

The martial law is just an excuse to trample the rights of the people by criminal Poroshenko:

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201811261070145083-ukraine-martial-law/

[Andsed]

Full support for Russia should be given. This is just another provocation of the Ukrainian fascists. I hope the people in the NATO countries realize that Putin only wants peace and protection for the Russian minority and the safety of Russian borders. NATO stands no chance against the Russian army, as EU and USA are weakened while Russia is united and strong. Ukraine should remeber it was Russians who liberated the country and fellow Ukrainians who worked with the Nazis, the same ideology now in government of Kiev.

The martial law is just an excuse to trample the rights of the people by criminal Poroshenko:

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201811261070145083-ukraine-martial-law/

NATO would demolish Russia in an actual war.

[German-Democratic-Republic]

Full support for Russia should be given. This is just another provocation of the Ukrainian fascists. I hope the people in the NATO countries realize that Putin only wants peace and protection for the Russian minority and the safety of Russian borders. NATO stands no chance against the Russian army, as EU and USA are weakened while Russia is united and strong. Ukraine should remeber it was Russians who liberated the country and fellow Ukrainians who worked with the Nazis, the same ideology now in government of Kiev.

The martial law is just an excuse to trample the rights of the people by criminal Poroshenko:

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201811261070145083-ukraine-martial-law/

NATO would demolish Russia in an actual war.

Wrong. The T-90 and T-14 armata are superior to anything the NATO has. Also the Russian society has a leader who works for the people, in contrast to EU. So they are motivated to liberate Europe once again.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Full support for Russia should be given. This is just another provocation of the Ukrainian fascists. I hope the people in the NATO countries realize that Putin only wants peace and protection for the Russian minority and the safety of Russian borders. NATO stands no chance against the Russian army, as EU and USA are weakened while Russia is united and strong. Ukraine should remeber it was Russians who liberated the country and fellow Ukrainians who worked with the Nazis, the same ideology now in government of Kiev.

The martial law is just an excuse to trample the rights of the people by criminal Poroshenko:

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201811261070145083-ukraine-martial-law/

[Semparia]

I think everyone would demolish everyone, neat thing about ww3 is the fact that no one would live to see the end of it.

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Full support for Russia should be given. This is just another provocation of the Ukrainian fascists. I hope the people in the NATO countries realize that Putin only wants peace and protection for the Russian minority and the safety of Russian borders. NATO stands no chance against the Russian army, as EU and USA are weakened while Russia is united and strong. Ukraine should remeber it was Russians who liberated the country and fellow Ukrainians who worked with the Nazis, the same ideology now in government of Kiev.

The martial law is just an excuse to trample the rights of the people by criminal Poroshenko:

https://sputniknews.com/europe/201811261070145083-ukraine-martial-law/

I'm pretty sure sputnik news isn't a reliable source, considering the fact that it has been shown to spread false stories with an extreme pro russian bias. Like seriously even the name gives off Russian propaganda vibes.

[Andsed]

NATO would demolish Russia in an actual war.

Wrong. The T-90 and T-14 armata are superior to anything the NATO has. Also the Russian society has a leader who works for the people, in contrast to EU. So they are motivated to liberate Europe once again.

Oh sure Russia has lots of good tanks but so does NATO. And the US alone spends more on its military than Russia and China combined. Also the US airforce is easily stronger than the Russian airforce and the US navy is the strongest in the world. And brining in the allies of the US further gives them an edge. Also Putin fighting for the pepole don’t make me laugh.

[Semparia]

Wrong. The T-90 and T-14 armata are superior to anything the NATO has. Also the Russian society has a leader who works for the people, in contrast to EU. So they are motivated to liberate Europe once again.

Oh sure Russia has lots of good tanks but so does NATO. And the US alone spends more on its military than Russia and China combined. Also the US airforce is easily stronger than the Russian airforce and the US navy is the strongest in the world. And brining in the allies of the US further gives them an edge. Also Putin fighting for the pepole don’t make me laugh.

Yeah Putin literally has a palace.

[Andsed]

Oh sure Russia has lots of good tanks but so does NATO. And the US alone spends more on its military than Russia and China combined. Also the US airforce is easily stronger than the Russian airforce and the US navy is the strongest in the world. And brining in the allies of the US further gives them an edge. Also Putin fighting for the pepole don’t make me laugh.

Yeah Putin literally has a palace.

Yeah I mean I'm not going to pretend Trump is better but saying Putin is fighting for the people is ridiculous.

[Novus America]

Wrong. The T-90 and T-14 armata are superior to anything the NATO has. Also the Russian society has a leader who works for the people, in contrast to EU. So they are motivated to liberate Europe once again.

Oh sure Russia has lots of good tanks but so does NATO. And the US alone spends more on its military than Russia and China combined. Also the US airforce is easily stronger than the Russian airforce and the US navy is the strongest in the world. And brining in the allies of the US further gives them an edge. Also Putin fighting for the pepole don’t make me laugh.

In a conventional war NATO has 4 times the population of Russia and some 18 times the GDP.
Texas has a bigger GDP than Russia.

Russia simply does not have the population or economic strength needed for a protracted war.
And in a nuclear war Russia still does not win even if no one really does.

Which is why Russia is pulling all this little green men, skullduggery shit.

If Russia actually thought a war would be to their advantage they would have already started one.

And Putin being a man of the people is hilarious. Sure many Western leaders are corrupt, but the West is far better than Russia on any corruption rating.

[Semparia]

Yeah Putin literally has a palace.

Yeah I mean I'm not going to pretend Trump is better but saying Putin is fighting for the people is ridiculous.

I mean at least trump goes away in four years, Russia pretends to be democratic by having one of Putin's puppets "elected" for one term after he hits his terms limit, and then once their term is done he gets "elected"

[Andsed]

Oh sure Russia has lots of good tanks but so does NATO. And the US alone spends more on its military than Russia and China combined. Also the US airforce is easily stronger than the Russian airforce and the US navy is the strongest in the world. And brining in the allies of the US further gives them an edge. Also Putin fighting for the pepole don’t make me laugh.

In a conventional war NATO has 4 times the population of Russia and some 18 times the GDP.
Texas has a bigger GDP than Russia.

Russia simply does not have the population or economic strength needed for a protracted war.
And in a nuclear war Russia still does not win even if no one really does.

Which is why Russia is pulling all this little green men, skullduggery shit.

If Russia actually thought a war would be to their advantage they would have already started one.

Yeah the only way Russia could fight a war against is with Chinese support and even then it would be very costly to take on just the US.

[German-Democratic-Republic]

Sad that you are buying the Russophobic hysteria the media gets paid to produce. The Crimean is irghtful Russian soil, the people democratically chose so. The Ukrainian government is criminal:

https://sputniknews.com/russia/201811261070146302-russia-ukraine-kerch-blame/

[Semparia]

In a conventional war NATO has 4 times the population of Russia and some 18 times the GDP.
Texas has a bigger GDP than Russia.

Russia simply does not have the population or economic strength needed for a protracted war.
And in a nuclear war Russia still does not win even if no one really does.

Which is why Russia is pulling all this little green men, skullduggery shit.

If Russia actually thought a war would be to their advantage they would have already started one.

Yeah the only way Russia could fight a war against is with Chinese support and even then it would be very costly to take on just the US.

What would probably happen is Russia starts losing progress after a push in Europe, and if not deploying nukes then they deploy nukes when they start getting pushes. Russia alone has enough nukes to end the world. Considering the US would probably pretty quickly retialiate and the Chinese might decide to get involved, it would probably be enough nukes to destroy the world tenfold.

Edit:

Sad that you are buying the Russophobic hysteria the media gets paid to produce. The Crimean is irghtful Russian soil, the people democratically chose so. The Ukrainian government is criminal:

https://sputniknews.com/russia/201811261070146302-russia-ukraine-kerch-blame/

Tell me, if western media is paid so much to speak against Russia, what is stopping Russian media from getting paid to speak against Russia's landgrab targets?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

In a conventional war NATO has 4 times the population of Russia and some 18 times the GDP.
Texas has a bigger GDP than Russia.

Russia simply does not have the population or economic strength needed for a protracted war.
And in a nuclear war Russia still does not win even if no one really does.

Which is why Russia is pulling all this little green men, skullduggery shit.

If Russia actually thought a war would be to their advantage they would have already started one.

Yeah the only way Russia could fight a war against is with Chinese support and even then it would be very costly to take on just the US.

Due to American naval and air power, I doubt that they could land in America at all. The real question is whether or not Russia can take down most of Europe by itself.

[Novus America]

In a conventional war NATO has 4 times the population of Russia and some 18 times the GDP.
Texas has a bigger GDP than Russia.

Russia simply does not have the population or economic strength needed for a protracted war.
And in a nuclear war Russia still does not win even if no one really does.

Which is why Russia is pulling all this little green men, skullduggery shit.

If Russia actually thought a war would be to their advantage they would have already started one.

Yeah the only way Russia could fight a war against is with Chinese support and even then it would be very costly to take on just the US.

Yeah, if we are doing a WWII comparison Russia is obviously Italy, and China Germany.

China is a much bigger threat than Russia ever could be.
Russia is China’s little bitch.

[Tarsonis]

Sad that you are buying the Russophobic hysteria the media gets paid to produce. The Crimean is irghtful Russian soil, the people democratically chose so. The Ukrainian government is criminal:

https://sputniknews.com/russia/201811261070146302-russia-ukraine-kerch-blame/

You're literally spouting nothing but Russian propaganda. No person on this thread has any reason to take you seriously.