Russian seizure of Ukranian Warships

[Far Easter Republic]

Well reddit is much faster than NS. Been discussing this topic there.
^~^
Really it's a pity what Russia is doing, but I don't believe outside of Ukraine there won't be any repercussions. Trump and NATO will do jack shit.

NATO is under no obligation to intervene right now anyway.

Yeah. Ukraine is not in NATO.
Therefore, Ukraine does not invoke Article 5.
If Article 5 was invoked if Ukraine joined, WW3 would likely happen.
That's why Ukraine joining NATO at this time would not be good for either NATO or Russia.

[The New California Republic]

>Russia
>non-fiction journalism

Pick. One.

Fine, then you will remain ignorant for the rest of your days and continue trapped in CNN world.

What a good thing it was that Brexit never won, Trump was never elected, the Arab Spring went well and the illegal migrants brought wonders to Europe.

You don't like RT? ok, pick another source. But if you keep yourselves insulated in a bubble that keeps getting stuff wrong, you will continue to look like fools.
A reasonable person reads multiple sources because not every source is right (or wrong) 100% of the time. You chose to be biased.
Ok, well, good luck.

That is all I can say.

Typecasting all Western media sources as "CNN" is so hilarious that I can't really get past it to think of a better response.

CNN is a good caricature of Western media. Besides, if you live abroad you might understand that much of the 'international news' segments of other countries are bought from CNN.

Even more hilarious is that in the Age of Trump, you think the MSM are distinguishable in journalistic standards.

Further to my point:

https://theintercept.com/2017/12/09/the ... -happened/

Here is just a sample of incredibly inflammatory claims that traveled all over the internet before having to be corrected, walked back, or retracted — often long after the initial false claims spread, and where the corrections receive only a tiny fraction of the attention with which the initial false stories are lavished:

Russia hacked into the U.S. electric grid to deprive Americans of heat during winter (Wash Post)
An anonymous group (PropOrNot) documented how major U.S. political sites are Kremlin agents (Wash Post)
WikiLeaks has a long, documented relationship with Putin (Guardian)
A secret server between Trump and a Russian bank has been discovered (Slate)
RT hacked C-SPAN and caused disruption in its broadcast (Fortune)
Russians hacked into a Ukrainian artillery app (Crowdstrike)
Russians attempted to hack elections systems in 21 states (multiple news outlets, echoing Homeland Security)
Links have been found between Trump ally Anthony Scaramucci and a Russian investment fund under investigation (CNN)

These posts just read like a verbal throwing of the toys out of the pram, they are rambling and confused, and don't address the subject matter of the thread whatsoever. Want to actually post something related to the thread?

[The Realist Polities]

These posts just read like a verbal throwing of the toys out of the pram, they are rambling and confused, and don't address the subject matter of the thread whatsoever. Want to actually post something related to the thread?

Care to quote my 2 posts before those two?

Besides, I didn't start the credibility tangent. Someone else did mentioning Shofercia.

[The New California Republic]

These posts just read like a verbal throwing of the toys out of the pram, they are rambling and confused, and don't address the subject matter of the thread whatsoever. Want to actually post something related to the thread?

Care to quote my 2 posts before those two?

I see one that is related to it. The other is in the same vein as the other two:

Any guesses as to how Shofercia will come down on this?

did any of you bother to read a non-Western source before posting ?

so don't be hypocritical.

3 out of 4 being unrelated to the thread, not really that good, is it?

[Scomagia]

Any guesses as to how Shofercia will come down on this?

You had an opportunity to discuss the topic but instead you chose this. Bad dog!

[The United Lands of Ash]

I am shocked shocked Russia would antagonize Ukraine. This is absolutely unheard of. Russia has never used force of arms to unjustly threaten its neighbors, never ever.

But seriously, this is not surprising. One of these days Russia is going to cross the line and get in some really hot water but since Ukraine is alone and basically at Russia's mercy right now I doubt that line got crossed today.

[Scomagia]

I predict that Russia will get away with this, as usual, and will be embolded to do more of the same.

[-Ocelot-]

Any guesses as to how Shofercia will come down on this?

"The evil CIA agent Ukrainians tried to attack Russia but our brave defenders repelled their homo ships! We must seize half of Ukraine to defend ourselves. If you disagree with me, you are a leftist and you can't even meme."

[Pope Joan]

I instantly support Russia

Ukraine is a CIA creation, full of neo nazis and incompetence

we would be better off without the lot

[Northeast American Federation]

I predict that Russia will get away with this, as usual, and will be embolded to do more of the same.

Perhaps you might prefer the US and NATO charge into a war with Russia, one which will almost certainly go nuclear and wipe out 90% of all life on Earth.

It obviously isn't good that this is happening, but then what is anyone supposed to do about it? Sanctions? Russia doesn't seem to care about those too much, and Europe in particular can't put too much pressure on them as apparently they source a lot of oil from Russia.

[Scomagia]

I predict that Russia will get away with this, as usual, and will be embolded to do more of the same.

Perhaps you might prefer the US and NATO charge into a war with Russia, one which will almost certainly go nuclear and wipe out 90% of all life on Earth.

Or some third option that isn't absurd.

[Fostoria]

Perhaps you might prefer the US and NATO charge into a war with Russia, one which will almost certainly go nuclear and wipe out 90% of all life on Earth.

Or some third option that isn't absurd.

NATO does not even apply here since Ukraine isn't a NATO country, and it doesn't need to apply. This is Russia and Ukraine's business.

[Thermodolia]

We should have offered Ukraine NATO membership back in 2014. Russia would have never have been stupid enough to take on a NATO member

[Thermodolia]

Well reddit is much faster than NS. Been discussing this topic there.
^~^
Really it's a pity what Russia is doing, but I don't believe outside of Ukraine there won't be any repercussions. Trump and NATO will do jack shit.

Why? It seems not NATOs job to protect Ukraine. They aren’t a NATO member. We should have offered them NATO membership though

[Vince Vaughn]

Well reddit is much faster than NS. Been discussing this topic there.
^~^
Really it's a pity what Russia is doing, but I don't believe outside of Ukraine there won't be any repercussions. Trump and NATO will do jack shit.

NATO is under no obligation to intervene right now anyway.

Exactly. A petty, post-Soviet, inter-Slavic conflict isn't worth World War III.

[Scomagia]

Or some third option that isn't absurd.

NATO does not even apply here since Ukraine isn't a NATO country, and it doesn't need to apply. This is Russia and Ukraine's business.

You're arguing with yourself, bub. I never mentioned NATO.

Aggression by one state against another is not of consequence only to the involved nations.

[Thermodolia]

NATO is under no obligation to intervene right now anyway.

Yeah. Ukraine is not in NATO.
Therefore, Ukraine does not invoke Article 5.
If Article 5 was invoked if Ukraine joined, WW3 would likely happen.
That's why Ukraine joining NATO at this time would not be good for either NATO or Russia.

Eh it would actually be worse for Russia. Russia is a paper tiger for the most part. The Baltic states and the fins would have no trouble cutting off Russia from the Baltic.

[Far Easter Republic]

I am shocked shocked Russia would antagonize Ukraine. This is absolutely unheard of. Russia has never used force of arms to unjustly threaten its neighbors, never ever.

But seriously, this is not surprising. One of these days Russia is going to cross the line and get in some really hot water but since Ukraine is alone and basically at Russia's mercy right now I doubt that line got crossed today.

You are correct except the first part. Often the Kremlin has backed sepratists in Ukraine & Georgia.
Also Belarus kowtows to whatever Russia says.

[Vince Vaughn]

I am shocked shocked Russia would antagonize Ukraine. This is absolutely unheard of. Russia has never used force of arms to unjustly threaten its neighbors, never ever.

But seriously, this is not surprising. One of these days Russia is going to cross the line and get in some really hot water but since Ukraine is alone and basically at Russia's mercy right now I doubt that line got crossed today.

You are correct except the first part. Often the Kremlin has backed sepratists in Ukraine & Georgia.
Also Belarus kowtows to whatever Russia says.

Tbh, it might in our best interest to let Russia have Ukraine and then pursue a detente.

Like do most Westerners really give a shit about Ukraine to the point where they want to start a war over it?

[-Ocelot-]

You are correct except the first part. Often the Kremlin has backed sepratists in Ukraine & Georgia.
Also Belarus kowtows to whatever Russia says.

Tbh, it might in our best interest to let Russia have Ukraine and then pursue a detente.

Like do most Westerners really give a shit about Ukraine to the point where they want to start a war over it?

Yeah, let's give Ukraine to Russia. And Estonia. And Latvia. Oh and Belarus and Hungary, sure why not?

[The South Falls]

Tbh, it might in our best interest to let Russia have Ukraine and then pursue a detente.

Like do most Westerners really give a shit about Ukraine to the point where they want to start a war over it?

Yeah, let's give Ukraine to Russia. And Estonia. And Latvia. Oh and Belarus and Hungary, sure why not?

Maybe just give all of eastern Europe. And Germany.

[Vince Vaughn]

Tbh, it might in our best interest to let Russia have Ukraine and then pursue a detente.

Like do most Westerners really give a shit about Ukraine to the point where they want to start a war over it?

Yeah, let's give Ukraine to Russia. And Estonia. And Latvia. Oh and Belarus and Hungary, sure why not?

Ukraine and Belarus? Sure. I'm not starting World War III over some dumb inter-Slavic struggle.

Estonia, Latvia, and Hungary are Western and NATO powers, so no. Don't engage in hyperbole.

[Valrifell]

You are correct except the first part. Often the Kremlin has backed sepratists in Ukraine & Georgia.
Also Belarus kowtows to whatever Russia says.

Tbh, it might in our best interest to let Russia have Ukraine and then pursue a detente.

Like do most Westerners really give a shit about Ukraine to the point where they want to start a war over it?

Hmmm... wait a second....

Tbh, it might in our best interest to let Russia Germany have Ukraine the Sudetenland and then pursue a detente.

Like do most Westerners really give a shit about Ukraine Czechoslovakia to the point where they want to start a war over it?

E gadd! Mr. Chamberlain, you're alive!

[-Ocelot-]

Yeah, let's give Ukraine to Russia. And Estonia. And Latvia. Oh and Belarus and Hungary, sure why not?

Ukraine and Belarus? Sure. I'm not starting World War III over some dumb inter-Slavic struggle.

Estonia, Latvia, and Hungary are Western and NATO powers, so no. Don't engage in hyperbole.

That's like saying ISIS should have Iraq and Syria but not Turkey because we'd risk WW3 and that is just a dumb inter-arab struggle.

[Krillon]

I don’t care much about Ukraine. If Russia wants Ukraine, let them have it.