Riots in France over fuel tax rises

[Trumptonium1]

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FN already has the largest number of French seats in the EU Parliament which they won in 2014

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Euro ... _in_France

Polling against LREM has had RN, FN did a name change, behind until now.[/quotes]

Yes but not for the first time in history...

[Novus America]

He will be. Hollande was just as hated, but he shambled on, zombie like through the rest of his disaster of a presidency. Macron, all his flaws aside is still a million times smarter than Hollande (admittedly that is an absurdly low bar, my cat is much smarter than Hollande).

If Hollande could survive so will Macron.

But what comes after becomes truly interesting.
Clearly Macron is almost certainly not getting re-elected.

So who comes next? PS is out, Macron’s technocrats are out.

I guess it’s RN

LR could possibly make a comeback if it stopped being so corrupt.

[Trumptonium1]

I guess it’s RN

LR could possibly make a comeback if it stopped being so corrupt.

LR is the literal definition of death by demographics.

Virtually all of their supporters are the religious elderly. That's their entire catchment area. They don't succeed with anyone else. There's such a big gap between irreligious and religious people in support for LR they have no chance of closing it, especially with the youth, a demographic within which LR is sixth in the country for support.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Y'know, when the far-left and far-right are effectively cooperating in those riots and that the Gendarmerie has replaced the police because the latter actually sympathize with the protests, you fucked up big time.

Macron is literally an sitting a razor's edge.

[Novus America]

When the French Socialists and Communists are leading the no confidence vote, against Macron there's a problem, it's even worse when Macron is now just as if not more unpopular than Hollande was.

First off the National Assembly can’t have a vote of no confidence against Macron. Second macron is sitting around 23%, Hollande got down to 4%

Besides even together the socialists and communists only have some 11% of seats in the National Assembly. They are pretty irrelevant.

[Thermodolia]

Polling against LREM has had RN, FN did a name change, behind until now

Yes but not for the first time in history...

For the first time in history against LREM

[Novus America]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.france ... cron-riots

The shenanigans continue.

I am wondering how badly France’s tourist industry is getting hit.

[Thermodolia]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.france24.com/en/20181208-live-hundreds-detained-paris-france-braces-new-anti-macron-riots

The shenanigans continue.

I am wondering how badly France’s tourist industry is getting hit.

This looks a lot like the revolution of 1871

[The Alma Mater]

I like how Trump is claming the rioters, looters, vandals and murderers are Trump supporters.

[Phoenicaea]

^ france nowadays has been semi-presidential, we say it presidential, it means president can not get no confidence; if this case happens you have 'cohabitation'.

this case has been frequent, the president choses a government who doesn t come from its party. i suppose it is less in use last pair of decades, as president influence grew larger.

in this assesment, the government gets sacked if majority (a part of it, at least) turns against, technically.

then i m not french, still this is the basics. no way the tactic, if there was, has been cute, because doing this would need a greater riot, which would need wider faith's people.

either the protest gets consumed itself, or it goes beyond the people who wishes to exploit it, demostration's agenda is not to meet bargains party claims, as the 'wsj' falsely claims

the way for reactionnaries is to base upon the president's ineptitude, and even if him was, it wouldn t be sufficient, their aim is to ask and obtain a share

[Painisia]

LR could possibly make a comeback if it stopped being so corrupt.

LR is the literal definition of death by demographics.

Virtually all of their supporters are the religious elderly. That's their entire catchment area. They don't succeed with anyone else. There's such a big gap between irreligious and religious people in support for LR they have no chance of closing it, especially with the youth, a demographic within which LR is sixth in the country for support.

I can see that conservatism and Gaullism no longer has an attractive look for the youngsters. Wonder if it is the same for RN?

[Novus America]

LR could possibly make a comeback if it stopped being so corrupt.

LR is the literal definition of death by demographics.

Virtually all of their supporters are the religious elderly. That's their entire catchment area. They don't succeed with anyone else. There's such a big gap between irreligious and religious people in support for LR they have no chance of closing it, especially with the youth, a demographic within which LR is sixth in the country for support.

Well sure most their base is people nostalgic for the De Gaulle era but still they were doing well in the polls for last election until Fillon imploded in a corruption scandal per LR tradition.

They still have a large base, a large number of seats, and could reach out to more people, especially people looking for stability.

Or they can keep being corrupt and old. Sure the latter is more likely but given LREM is probably going to collapse next elections they are going to be the largest organized force in government.

[Pope Joan]

New Microsoft feed says it is not about fuel taxes but about preferential treatment given in France by the liberals t the wealthy.

So, it is like a revolt of the deplorables against the Establishment Democrats

[Rojava Free State]

Wait....ive seen this all before

les miserables

[Trumptonium1]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.france24.com/en/20181208-live-hundreds-detained-paris-france-braces-new-anti-macron-riots

The shenanigans continue.

I am wondering how badly France’s tourist industry is getting hit.

Not bad, I'm still going haha

[Thermodolia]

Wait....ive seen this all before

les miserables

Except the June Rebellion only lasted for a day

[Trumptonium1]

LR is the literal definition of death by demographics.

Virtually all of their supporters are the religious elderly. That's their entire catchment area. They don't succeed with anyone else. There's such a big gap between irreligious and religious people in support for LR they have no chance of closing it, especially with the youth, a demographic within which LR is sixth in the country for support.

I can see that conservatism and Gaullism no longer has an attractive look for the youngsters. Wonder if it is the same for RN?

Front National is gaullist.

As for your question, Front National was 2nd for 18-24 vote (21%, equal to 21% nationally) and 2nd for 25-34 vote (24%, 3% above national vote) ... their lowest was among the elderly. For the 60-69 they got 19% and for the 70+ they got just 10%. They won the 35-49 vote.

They also won the atheist vote by 7% over Macron, hence why I said LR keeps the religious spot, and keeps mainly to the elderly.

[Thermodolia]

I can see that conservatism and Gaullism no longer has an attractive look for the youngsters. Wonder if it is the same for RN?

Front National is gaullist.

As for your question, Front National was 2nd for 18-24 vote (21%, equal to 21% nationally) and 2nd for 25-34 vote (24%, 3% above national vote) ... their lowest was among the elderly. For the 60-69 they got 19% and for the 70+ they got just 10%. They won the 35-49 vote.

They also won the atheist vote by 7% over Macron, hence why I said LR keeps the religious spot, and keeps mainly to the elderly.

Front National is probably going to gain even more votes in the 18-24 category. Partially due to the name change to National Rally or RN

[Trumptonium1]

Front National is gaullist.

As for your question, Front National was 2nd for 18-24 vote (21%, equal to 21% nationally) and 2nd for 25-34 vote (24%, 3% above national vote) ... their lowest was among the elderly. For the 60-69 they got 19% and for the 70+ they got just 10%. They won the 35-49 vote.

They also won the atheist vote by 7% over Macron, hence why I said LR keeps the religious spot, and keeps mainly to the elderly.

Front National is probably going to gain even more votes in the 18-24 category. Partially due to the name change to National Rally or RN

I don't see how a name change brings votes.

[Thermodolia]

Front National is probably going to gain even more votes in the 18-24 category. Partially due to the name change to National Rally or RN

I don't see how a name change brings votes.

Doesn’t have the negative connotations associated with the former name. Plus it’s French tradition to change names

[Novus America]

Front National is probably going to gain even more votes in the 18-24 category. Partially due to the name change to National Rally or RN

I don't see how a name change brings votes.

Image is more important than substantive policy in terms of getting votes.

[Ifreann]

I don't see how a name change brings votes.

Doesn’t have the negative connotations associated with the former name. Plus it’s French tradition to change names

If it's a French tradition to change the names of political parties then surely a party changing its name won't fool anyone.

[Telconi]

Doesn’t have the negative connotations associated with the former name. Plus it’s French tradition to change names

If it's a French tradition to change the names of political parties then surely a party changing its name won't fool anyone.

Who said anyone was fooled?

[Novus America]

Doesn’t have the negative connotations associated with the former name. Plus it’s French tradition to change names

If it's a French tradition to change the names of political parties then surely a party changing its name won't fool anyone.

Umm you clearly overestimate how hard it is to fool the average voter. If it was hard things would be a lot different.

[Ifreann]

If it's a French tradition to change the names of political parties then surely a party changing its name won't fool anyone.

Who said anyone was fooled?

Well if not then the new name not having the negative connotations associated with the previous name won't make any difference.