Riots in France over fuel tax rises

[Trumptonium1]

So .... was a vote for Macron simply a vote for Le Pen in the future?

[Arlenton]

So .... was a vote for Macron simply a vote for Le Pen in the future?

Hopefully not.

[Novus America]

Most of them will flee before that. Smart. Remember that guy who left because he was paying like a 90% tax rate?

yeah that too. point is, i dont think macron will be president next year

He will be. Hollande was just as hated, but he shambled on, zombie like through the rest of his disaster of a presidency. Macron, all his flaws aside is still a million times smarter than Hollande (admittedly that is an absurdly low bar, my cat is much smarter than Hollande).

If Hollande could survive so will Macron.

But what comes after becomes truly interesting.
Clearly Macron is almost certainly not getting re-elected.

So who comes next? PS is out, Macron’s technocrats are out.

[Thermodolia]

yeah that too. point is, i dont think macron will be president next year

He will be. Hollande was just as hated, but he shambled on, zombie like through the rest of his disaster of a presidency. Macron, all his flaws aside is still a million times smarter than Hollande (admittedly that is an absurdly low bar, my cat is much smarter than Hollande).

If Hollande could survive so will Macron.

But what comes after becomes truly interesting.
Clearly Macron is almost certainly not getting re-elected.

So who comes next? PS is out, Macron’s technocrats are out.

I guess it’s RN

[Western Vale Confederacy]

So .... was a vote for Macron simply a vote for Le Pen in the future?

Hopefully not.

Well, chances are that Le Pen will ride that revolutionary wave to the presidency.

[Arlenton]

Hopefully not.

Well, chances are that Le Pen will ride that revolutionary wave to the presidency.

Well, I guess it's as step up. At least Le Pen cares more about French citizens than dumb ass polar bears.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Well, chances are that Le Pen will ride that revolutionary wave to the presidency.

Well, I guess it's as step up. At least Le Pen cares more about French citizens than dumb ass polar bears.

Marine Le Pen, despite being constantly branded as a far-right politician by her opponents, also has largely reformed her party into something more palatable (dropping her father's more insane/far-right ideals and suggested policies), so she's certainly a very real threat to Macron.

[Kaggeceria]

So .... was a vote for Macron simply a vote for Le Pen in the future?

Pretty much.

[Senkaku]

Well, I guess it's as step up. At least Le Pen cares more about French citizens than dumb ass polar bears.

Marine Le Pen, despite being constantly branded as a far-right politician by her opponents, also has largely reformed her party into something more palatable (dropping her father's more insane/far-right ideals and suggested policies), so she's certainly a very real threat to Macron.

So .... was a vote for Macron simply a vote for Le Pen in the future?

Pretty much.

Everything I've read and heard leads me to think that the gilets jaunes aren't really big fans of Le Pen or Melenchon, either, but if it makes you feel good then speculate away ig lol

[Trumptonium1]

Marine Le Pen, despite being constantly branded as a far-right politician by her opponents, also has largely reformed her party into something more palatable (dropping her father's more insane/far-right ideals and suggested policies), so she's certainly a very real threat to Macron.

Pretty much.

Everything I've read and heard leads me to think that the gilets jaunes aren't really big fans of Le Pen or Melenchon, either, but if it makes you feel good then speculate away ig lol

Gilets jaunes are everything but Macronists...

There's pictures of this..

There's also pictures of a man holding a soviet flag, so everything goes really.

[Great Minarchistan]

France is just a shitstorm of radical ideologies that's united solely by the collective passion for a strong state and by welfare chugging, so I'm not really surprised at nationwide strikes because Macron wants to cut back on that tbh

[Phoenicaea]

..I m hungry waiting the day this happens against reactionnaries, in my capital town. your hurrah for consuming a.. supposed hostile president fills me with the day I will do it for you.

besides, the matter is: so called center-right uses this a good thing against a supposed centrist, center-left president. nevertheless, there is feeble reason for this.

it is obvious you attend the center-right, Le Pen or whoever, waits to use it, still you may consume the center and then have got a center-left.

what matters more, when you blow on the riot, the riot can spread also for you. so, as often, this is not an intelligent tactics. thanks god, at least, the fat scum keeps being so imbecile.

[Freezic Vast]

When the French Socialists and Communists are leading the no confidence vote, against Macron there's a problem, it's even worse when Macron is now just as if not more unpopular than Hollande was.

[Major-Tom]

Well, I guess it's as step up. At least Le Pen cares more about French citizens than dumb ass polar bears.

Marine Le Pen, despite being constantly branded as a far-right politician by her opponents, also has largely reformed her party into something more palatable (dropping her father's more insane/far-right ideals and suggested policies), so she's certainly a very real threat to Macron.

I think she has her voter ceiling. I could be wrong, but I just don't see her ever breaching 50%. Whether people support some of her policies on an individual basis is one thing, but FN's overlying and fundamental ideologies aren't popular enough to form a working majority/coalition. I just don't see it.

With the French left hilariously splintered, and the French right essentially a tug of war between the more protectionist and anti-immigration FN and more "open" and traditionally right-wing TR, Macron's place in the mushy "middle" still remains an advantage. In 2017, he only won the first round with 23% of the vote or so.

In other words - he was never this immensely popular and loved figure, he won because of the fractures in the left and right wings.

[Telconi]

Marine Le Pen, despite being constantly branded as a far-right politician by her opponents, also has largely reformed her party into something more palatable (dropping her father's more insane/far-right ideals and suggested policies), so she's certainly a very real threat to Macron.

I think she has her voter ceiling. I could be wrong, but I just don't see her ever breaching 50%. Whether people support some of her policies on an individual basis is one thing, but FN's overlying and fundamental ideologies aren't popular enough to form a working majority/coalition. I just don't see it.

With the French left hilariously splintered, and the French right essentially a tug of war between the more protectionist and anti-immigration FN and more "open" and traditionally right-wing TR, Macron's place in the mushy "middle" still remains an advantage. In 2017, he only won the first round with 23% of the vote or so.

In other words - he was never this immensely popular and loved figure, he won because of the fractures in the left and right wings.

So far as I can tell, Macron was just the safe bet for most folks.

[Painisia]

When the French Socialists and Communists are leading the no confidence vote, against Macron there's a problem, it's even worse when Macron is now just as if not more unpopular than Hollande was.

No surprise. In France, the left-wing activists are more louder and will react to a simple reform with neoliberal characteristics.

[Painisia]

As several people have layed out here, Macron`s unpopularity could lead to gains for Marine Le Pen. I don't think the chance of a Le Pen presidency is low, but the whole France still thinks Marine has the same principles and thoughts like her batshit-crazy father Jean. I can now predict a second round with Marine Le Pen vs. Jean Luc Melenchon in 2022. Aren't the people tired of the PS?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

As several people have layed out here, Macron`s unpopularity could lead to gains for Marine Le Pen. I don't think the chance of a Le Pen presidency is low, but the whole France still thinks Marine has the same principles and thoughts like her batshit-crazy father Jean. I can now predict a second round with Marine Le Pen vs. Jean Luc Melenchon in 2022. Aren't the people tired of the PS?

What Jean Le Pen has towards Jews, Marine had towards Muslims. The only difference is that it took a genocide for the West to start caring about the fate of the Jews (how sick is it that we dare call ourselves judeo-christian as if we have always been there for the Jews), and the Muslims have not had that (yet). The only reason Jean got kicked out was because he was antisemitic, and Marine wants to paint antisemitism as a Muslim thing, so she removed her father. But she is still a crazed populist-nationalist who wants the support of half of France by promising the blood of the other half.

[Trumptonium1]

These riots get more intense with each week. It started with simple road blockades, now Paris is on literal lockdown. The Louvre, Bastille Opera and Eiffel Tower are shut, there's a curfew on Champs Elysees and Arc de Triomphe, public transport is shut, almost 1000 people have been arrested since this morning and we're still yet to see the main gathering at 4pm.

Water cannons and tear gas are all out on the streets and the Gendarmerie has replaced Police National in riot control.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46492070
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/12/08/euro ... index.html

The protesters don't seem to care about the fuel anymore, this is now the nation vs. Macron and they're not going to stop rioting until he disappears one way or another. There's Soviet flags, elderly women and ethnic minorities and Nazi salutes, this is an all-rounder.

France is now governed by a man supported by 18% of the population and the only way to uphold his rule is to send the military (gendarmerie) on the streets to quell protests. At what point is it appropriate to call France a dictatorship?

[Thermodolia]

When the French Socialists and Communists are leading the no confidence vote, against Macron there's a problem, it's even worse when Macron is now just as if not more unpopular than Hollande was.

First off the National Assembly can’t have a vote of no confidence against Macron. Second macron is sitting around 23%, Hollande got down to 4%

[Trumptonium1]

When the French Socialists and Communists are leading the no confidence vote, against Macron there's a problem, it's even worse when Macron is now just as if not more unpopular than Hollande was.

First off the National Assembly can’t have a vote of no confidence against Macron. Second macron is sitting around 23%, Hollande got down to 4%

Hollande's lowest was 12%. Macron's lowest is 18%, and that cratered far faster than Hollande. So who knows where Macron will be in 2021.

[Thermodolia]

Marine Le Pen, despite being constantly branded as a far-right politician by her opponents, also has largely reformed her party into something more palatable (dropping her father's more insane/far-right ideals and suggested policies), so she's certainly a very real threat to Macron.

I think she has her voter ceiling. I could be wrong, but I just don't see her ever breaching 50%. Whether people support some of her policies on an individual basis is one thing, but FN's overlying and fundamental ideologies aren't popular enough to form a working majority/coalition. I just don't see it.

With the French left hilariously splintered, and the French right essentially a tug of war between the more protectionist and anti-immigration FN and more "open" and traditionally right-wing TR, Macron's place in the mushy "middle" still remains an advantage. In 2017, he only won the first round with 23% of the vote or so.

In other words - he was never this immensely popular and loved figure, he won because of the fractures in the left and right wings.

Le Pen doesn’t need to win 50% just enough to get into the second round which is extremely likely. In the second round all she has to do is get more than her opponent.

Oh and FN doesn’t exist anymore it’s now RN

Plus according to new polling for EU seats RN is above LREM (Macron) for the first time in history

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/04/french- ... -poll.html

[Thermodolia]

First off the National Assembly can’t have a vote of no confidence against Macron. Second macron is sitting around 23%, Hollande got down to 4%

Hollande's lowest was 12%. Macron's lowest is 18%, and that cratered far faster than Hollande. So who knows where Macron will be in 2021.

No Hollande’s lowest was 4%. By November 2016, Hollande's approval rating was just 4%

[Trumptonium1]

Plus according to new polling for EU seats RN is above LREM (Macron) for the first time in history

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/04/french- ... -poll.html

?

FN already has the largest number of French seats in the EU Parliament which they won in 2014

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Euro ... _in_France

[Thermodolia]

Plus according to new polling for EU seats RN is above LREM (Macron) for the first time in history

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/04/french- ... -poll.html

?

FN already has the largest number of French seats in the EU Parliament which they won in 2014

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Euro ... _in_France

Polling against LREM has had RN, FN did a name change, behind until now. So the idea that Macron will win re-election because everyone is split is just asinine thinking