Riots in France over fuel tax rises

[Trumptonium1]

Macron is at fault then and now.

Macron is good for France. These protests are very bad but I don't live in France so this is none of my concern. I live in the United States under Donald Trump, our tyrant idiot in chief. Trump is not good for America. He made the United States leave the Paris Climate Agreement. Trump is a climate change denier, that is dangerous for the United States. Climate change is a dangerous issue for France and the United States. The European Union needs to be concerned about the protests in France, a EU member state alright.

Macron is so good for France, his approval ratings among the French are less than half of Trump's approval rating in the US.

[Erdogan in cool sunglasses]

Macron is good for France. These protests are very bad but I don't live in France so this is none of my concern. I live in the United States under Donald Trump, our tyrant idiot in chief. Trump is not good for America. He made the United States leave the Paris Climate Agreement. Trump is a climate change denier, that is dangerous for the United States. Climate change is a dangerous issue for France and the United States. The European Union needs to be concerned about the protests in France, a EU member state alright.

Climate change is quite a fair bit less dangerous for the French.

For example, their crop yields are going to decrease only a bit, and that's not including possible CO2 fertilization.

Do you really believe the tax increase in France has something to do with climate change? Impoverishing the large amounts of people is always bad for ecology because ecology is expensive. Also less money for the people means less selled cars. Less selled cars causes the drop in technological innovation which is bad for both ecology (because electric cars still need research to be effective) and economy because it makes France less competitive in global trade in general.

I would say that the truth is different and can be seen only in some media. France has huge debt and there are no more countries willing to give them another credit. Even Germany don't want to give them money because they weren't be able to pay it back. So the only choice is to increase the taxes to pay debts at least to be believable again as a borrower. Why this has not been spoken openly? Because it would probably cause another world or at least European financial crisis.

[Painisia]

So what are the solutions? Increase the expenditures to the social services in the budget? More decentralization? Promise everybody a free Tesla? Restoring an absolute monarchy?

[Baltenstein]

So what are the solutions? Increase the expenditures to the social services in the budget? More decentralization? Promise everybody a free Tesla? Restoring an absolute monarchy?

Oui, hell oui.

[Frievolk]

So what are the solutions? Increase the expenditures to the social services in the budget? More decentralization? Promise everybody a free Tesla? Restoring an absolute monarchy?

Oui, hell oui.

Now wouldn't it be surprising if that happened?

[Erdogan in cool sunglasses]

So what are the solutions? Increase the expenditures to the social services in the budget? More decentralization? Promise everybody a free Tesla? Restoring an absolute monarchy?

I would say tax cut and increase of consumption. And then, when the tax revenue will grow, put the growth into paying debts and ecology.

[Cedoria]

So in another thread we're discussing the United States bureaucracy releasing a report detailing the drastic predicted effects of climate change if action isn't taken now, and in France someone with the power to do something is taking such actions.

Shock horror, looks like people prefer their own financial situation to be prioritised over the finances of Bangladeshis born 10 years from now.

Not shocking at all.

It does however, put into perspective that what people want is not always the same as what they need. Populism is idiocy masquerading as democracy by confusing wants with needs.

That said, screw the neoliberal types who want to pay for the consequences of their folly by robbing the poor blind. There are better ways, as the French know only too well.

[Greed and Death]

I do not blame the protesters. The EU in general and french govnerment in particular encouraged the purchase of diesel vehicles on the grounds that they were more environmentally friendly. Of course now when it turns out these Vehicles are actually worse for the environment the govnerment just slaps taxes on dieasel regardless of its citizens reliance on govnerment guidance when purchasing said vehicles.

[Cedoria]

I mean, if France's taxes on the rich are low, start there. Just raise taxes period. It's less noticeable.

Why do anything? And then why bias the system against a certain class?

One class can afford it without risk of starvation.

[Wahlid]

So what are the solutions? Increase the expenditures to the social services in the budget? More decentralization? Promise everybody a free Tesla? Restoring an absolute monarchy?

I would say tax cut and increase of consumption. And then, when the tax revenue will grow, put the growth into paying debts and ecology.

That argument rests on a lot of shaky assumptions about whether the economy will grow.

I do not blame the protesters. The EU in general and french govnerment in particular encouraged the purchase of diesel vehicles on the grounds that they were more environmentally friendly. Of course now when it turns out these Vehicles are actually worse for the environment the govnerment just slaps taxes on dieasel regardless of its citizens reliance on govnerment guidance when purchasing said vehicles.

Hmm yeah, sounds like a dick move on the government’s part.

It does however, put into perspective that what people want is not always the same as what they need. Populism is idiocy masquerading as democracy by confusing wants with needs.

[Greed and Death]

So what are the solutions? Increase the expenditures to the social services in the budget? More decentralization? Promise everybody a free Tesla? Restoring an absolute monarchy?

Oui, hell oui.

New Tsarist documents found in Russia show I am the successor to the bourbon throne. Presidents Trump and Putin are invoking the treaties of Paris of 1814 and 1815 to station Troops in Paris and to return me to my rightful throne.

[Bienenhalde]

The riots in France show that democracy cannot, for the most part, handle environmentalism

its generally incompatible

Thank you. I have been trying to say this for awhile. Green autocracy now!

[Western Vale Confederacy]

The riots in France show that democracy cannot, for the most part, handle environmentalism

its generally incompatible

Thank you. I have been trying to say this for awhile. Green autocracy now!

We gotta pull a Huey Long...

Authoritarian welfare state!

[Bear Stearns]

Macron has been a disappointment.

But it's not like like the French have been known to have good business senses.

[Novus America]

I do not blame the protesters. The EU in general and french govnerment in particular encouraged the purchase of diesel vehicles on the grounds that they were more environmentally friendly. Of course now when it turns out these Vehicles are actually worse for the environment the govnerment just slaps taxes on dieasel regardless of its citizens reliance on govnerment guidance when purchasing said vehicles.

Yeah. The German car industry (in collusion with the German government) blatantly lied about diesel vehicles. And only got a slap in the wrist when it was exposed.

But of course Macron would never penalize the German auto industry.
He wants to penalize the French people for the crimes of the German auto industry and government.

It is completely fucked up, but completely expected.

[Valgora]

I do not blame the protesters. The EU in general and french govnerment in particular encouraged the purchase of diesel vehicles on the grounds that they were more environmentally friendly. Of course now when it turns out these Vehicles are actually worse for the environment the govnerment just slaps taxes on dieasel regardless of its citizens reliance on govnerment guidance when purchasing said vehicles.

Yeah. The German car industry (in collusion with the German government) blatantly lied about diesel vehicles. And only got a slap in the wrist when it was exposed.

But of course Macron would never penalize the German auto industry.
He wants to penalize the French people for the crimes of the German auto industry and government.

It is completely fucked up, but completely expected.

I looked it up but I've found conflicting reports on whether or not diesel cars are worse than gas/petrol.

This link says that modern diesel engines are better: https://phys.org/news/2017-07-diesel-gas.html
This says they are worse: https://www.thejournal.ie/diesel-worse- ... 7-Sep2017/

It should be noted that the top link does use a study that was published in 2017 and the bottom one mentions one from 2014.

[Galloism]

Yeah. The German car industry (in collusion with the German government) blatantly lied about diesel vehicles. And only got a slap in the wrist when it was exposed.

But of course Macron would never penalize the German auto industry.
He wants to penalize the French people for the crimes of the German auto industry and government.

It is completely fucked up, but completely expected.

I looked it up but I've found conflicting reports on whether or not diesel cars are worse than gas/petrol.

This link says that modern diesel engines are better: https://phys.org/news/2017-07-diesel-gas.html
This says they are worse: https://www.thejournal.ie/diesel-worse- ... 7-Sep2017/

It should be noted that the top link does use a study that was published in 2017 and the bottom one mentions one from 2014.

I was about to suggest it may have something to do with the broad rollout of ultra low sulfur diesel, but a cursory google search reveals that was widespread long before 2014.

[Novus America]

Yeah. The German car industry (in collusion with the German government) blatantly lied about diesel vehicles. And only got a slap in the wrist when it was exposed.

But of course Macron would never penalize the German auto industry.
He wants to penalize the French people for the crimes of the German auto industry and government.

It is completely fucked up, but completely expected.

I looked it up but I've found conflicting reports on whether or not diesel cars are worse than gas/petrol.

This link says that modern diesel engines are better: https://phys.org/news/2017-07-diesel-gas.html
This says they are worse: https://www.thejournal.ie/diesel-worse- ... 7-Sep2017/

It should be noted that the top link does use a study that was published in 2017 and the bottom one mentions one from 2014.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswa ... ns_scandal

[Freezic Vast]

So what are the solutions? Increase the expenditures to the social services in the budget? More decentralization? Promise everybody a free Tesla? Restoring an absolute monarchy?

Yes, it'd make France a lot better imo.

[Krasny-Volny]

Let the second May Revolution begin.

[Hakons]

Macron is at fault then and now.

Macron is good for France. These protests are very bad but I don't live in France so this is none of my concern. I live in the United States under Donald Trump, our tyrant idiot in chief. Trump is not good for America. He made the United States leave the Paris Climate Agreement. Trump is a climate change denier, that is dangerous for the United States. Climate change is a dangerous issue for France and the United States. The European Union needs to be concerned about the protests in France, a EU member state alright.

Under our "idiot tyrant and chief," without the Paris Climate Agreement, and without exorbitant gas taxes, the United States reduced its carbon emissions.

[Novus America]

Macron is good for France. These protests are very bad but I don't live in France so this is none of my concern. I live in the United States under Donald Trump, our tyrant idiot in chief. Trump is not good for America. He made the United States leave the Paris Climate Agreement. Trump is a climate change denier, that is dangerous for the United States. Climate change is a dangerous issue for France and the United States. The European Union needs to be concerned about the protests in France, a EU member state alright.

Under our "idiot tyrant and chief," without the Paris Climate Agreement, and without exorbitant gas taxes, the United States reduced its carbon emissions.

The Paris Climate Agreement is a joke anyways.
It has no enforcement mechanisms whatsoever.
It is all show, zero substance.

[Deutschess Kaiserreich]

Marshall law?

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Under our "idiot tyrant and chief," without the Paris Climate Agreement, and without exorbitant gas taxes, the United States reduced its carbon emissions.

The Paris Climate Agreement is a joke anyways.
It has no enforcement mechanisms whatsoever.
It is all show, zero substance.

That's every global treaty for ya.

Seriously, what stops nations from pulling out of treaties such as the Outer Space Treaty and the Antarctica Treaty System? Peer pressure?

[Galloism]

Those vests are very reflective of their feelings regarding this issue. They truly highlight their discontent.