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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:36 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:They look like rioting Minions.

Unfortunately, there aren't really any ways to wear a safety jacket in style.
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Postby Wahlid » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:41 am

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Infected Mushroom wrote:The riots in France show that democracy cannot, for the most part, handle environmentalism

its generally incompatible

Good to see that the people ain't buying it.


Praise be to Allah for Big Oil for buying out the media and lobbying the legislatures!
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:50 am

Wahlid wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Good to see that the people ain't buying it.


Praise be to Allah for Big Oil for buying out the media and lobbying the legislatures!

Praise be to people for calculating their expenses.

Also, can you tell this guy Allah to stop sending representatives who blow shit up?
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Postby Painisia » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:27 am

President Macron might declare a state of emergency today. Things have really escalated for the worse...


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-4 ... ting-story
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Postby Aellex » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:32 am

Painisia wrote:President Macron might declare a state of emergency today. Things have really escalated for the worse...


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-4 ... ting-story

Not really, l'état d'urgence is just business as usual tbh.
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Postby Painisia » Sun Dec 02, 2018 5:47 am

Aellex wrote:
Painisia wrote:President Macron might declare a state of emergency today. Things have really escalated for the worse...


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-4 ... ting-story

Not really, l'état d'urgence is just business as usual tbh.


Nothing new either. Didn't something similar happen in the 2005 riots?
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Postby Aellex » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:02 am

Painisia wrote:
Aellex wrote:Not really, l'état d'urgence is just business as usual tbh.


Nothing new either. Didn't something similar happen in the 2005 riots?

I was too young to remember tbh but I wouldn't be surprised if it had.
Moreover, one has to keep in that we had been on a constant state of État d'urgence since 2014 until last October where most of its important parts were just added to our regular laws so it's not like it's particularly ground breaking for him to return it.
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Postby Painisia » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:29 am

Aellex wrote:
Painisia wrote:
Nothing new either. Didn't something similar happen in the 2005 riots?

I was too young to remember tbh but I wouldn't be surprised if it had.
Moreover, one has to keep in that we had been on a constant state of État d'urgence since 2014 until last October where most of its important parts were just added to our regular laws so it's not like it's particularly ground breaking for him to return it.


People are obviously releasing their anger towards Macron and his policies. But didn't the problems originate from the previous government and the presidency of Francois Hollande?
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Postby Aellex » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:36 am

Painisia wrote:People are obviously releasing their anger towards Macron and his policies. But didn't the problems originate from the previous government and the presidency of Francois Hollande?

The problems have always been there tbh but Hollande and him made them worse.
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Postby Ors Might » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:53 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Unsurprisingly, doing something that harms your citizens will not prove popular with your citizens.


Which ofc. is a valid reason to set fire to the cars of random people and loot stores.
Right ?

Ors Might wrote:Unsurprisingly, doing something that harms your citizens will not prove popular with your citizens.


Short term harm vs longterm harm. Choices, choices.

Are there not more effective means of reducing emissions while simultaneously not making life harder for innocent people?


While you can certainly argue that they are forced to be wasteful thanks to the system, the people are not innocent. They pollute. They emit.

Now where did I say that?

How much good would these taxes actually do in the long run? If I’m not mistaken, France already has relatively low emissions and fhe ones primarily impacted by this are people who can’t rely on public transportation. You won’t be making a dent in the world’s overall emissions.

In short, this is the moralizing equivalent of masturbating all over the damn place.
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Postby Novus Wrepland » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:07 am

Look at what respect they have paid to France’s cultural heritage...

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Degeneracy at its worst.
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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:19 am

Liriena wrote:Those protests are looking rad.

Macron? Don't like him, don't like his policies, but still prefer him to anything that the Rassemblement national sharts out. Melenchon is my dude.


Truth be told, screaming "I AM THE REPUBLIC!!!" at some local cops, like he is Darth Sidious or something, didn't do Melenchon any favors in public opinion polls.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:28 am

Baltenstein wrote:
Liriena wrote:Those protests are looking rad.

Macron? Don't like him, don't like his policies, but still prefer him to anything that the Rassemblement national sharts out. Melenchon is my dude.


Truth be told, screaming "I AM THE REPUBLIC!!!" at some local cops, like he is Darth Sidious or something, didn't do Melenchon any favors in public opinion polls.


"Je suis la République!"

Or in a more French style:

"La République c'est moi!"

...

If anything, if Macron really did do this then he has earned style points with me for what little its worth
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Postby Aellex » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:34 am

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
Truth be told, screaming "I AM THE REPUBLIC!!!" at some local cops, like he is Darth Sidious or something, didn't do Melenchon any favors in public opinion polls.


"Je suis la République!"

Or in a more French style:

"La République c'est moi!"

...

If anything, if Macron really did do this then he has earned style points with me for what little its worth

It's Mélenchon who did. He yelled "Do not touch me, I'm a parlementarian, my person is sacred! " while assaulting and spitting in the face of a policeman during a perquisition of his Party's office concerning financiary frauds.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:03 am

Three confirmed dead sofar.

None of them politicians, bankers or such ofc. but all commoners. Because those are the true enemy of the revolution.
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Postby Novus America » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:11 am

Aellex wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
"Je suis la République!"

Or in a more French style:

"La République c'est moi!"

...

If anything, if Macron really did do this then he has earned style points with me for what little its worth

It's Mélenchon who did. He yelled "Do not touch me, I'm a parlementarian, my person is sacred! " while assaulting and spitting in the face of a policeman during a perquisition of his Party's office concerning financiary frauds.


I think it is safe to say the dude has a few screws lose.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:33 am

Novus Wrepland wrote:Look at what respect they have paid to France’s cultural heritage...



Degeneracy at its worst.

Is it a well-known monument, or some old-looking stuff from a hardware store?

I won't be surprised if you can buy one of these at Leroy Merlin.
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Postby Aellex » Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:08 am

The Alma Mater wrote:Three confirmed dead sofar.

None of them politicians, bankers or such ofc. but all commoners. Because those are the true enemy of the revolution.

The three death so far were caused by road accidents due to the gilets jaunes' blocking of the roads.
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Painisia wrote:People are obviously releasing their anger towards Macron and his policies. But didn't the problems originate from the previous government and the presidency of Francois Hollande?

The problems have always been there tbh but Hollande and him made them worse.
Let's not forget that Macron was minister of the economy during Hollande's presidency so he is partially responsible for the situation of France at the time. How much it depends how free he was in his office.

But in the end you knew for whom you voted. Now you have to deal with him.
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Postby Painisia » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:06 pm

Erdogan in cool sunglasses wrote:
Aellex wrote:The problems have always been there tbh but Hollande and him made them worse.
Let's not forget that Macron was minister of the economy during Hollande's presidency so he is partially responsible for the situation of France at the time. How much it depends how free he was in his office.

But in the end you knew for whom you voted. Now you have to deal with him.


The election last year forced everybody to choose the "lesser evil". The French were quite unlucky
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Postby Far Easter Republic » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:09 pm

Page wrote:Damn, the French know how to have a riot. Maybe the Greeks are a bit better but the French definitely have serious riot credentials.

Anyway, although I am supportive of moving away from fossil fuels and toward renewable energy, raising prices even higher on motorists isn't the way. It's not like everyone with a car is rich or that their car is an unnecessary luxury.

The French do have a habit of complaining about stuff.
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Postby Taliostia » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:09 pm

France should leave the European Union and more tax cuts.

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Erdogan in cool sunglasses wrote:
Aellex wrote:The problems have always been there tbh but Hollande and him made them worse.
Let's not forget that Macron was minister of the economy during Hollande's presidency so he is partially responsible for the situation of France at the time. How much it depends how free he was in his office.

But in the end you knew for whom you voted. Now you have to deal with him.

Macron is at fault then and now.
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Postby Taliostia » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:15 pm

Far Easter Republic wrote:
Erdogan in cool sunglasses wrote:Let's not forget that Macron was minister of the economy during Hollande's presidency so he is partially responsible for the situation of France at the time. How much it depends how free he was in his office.

But in the end you knew for whom you voted. Now you have to deal with him.

Macron is at fault then and now.


Macron is good for France. These protests are very bad but I don't live in France so this is none of my concern. I live in the United States under Donald Trump, our tyrant idiot in chief. Trump is not good for America. He made the United States leave the Paris Climate Agreement. Trump is a climate change denier, that is dangerous for the United States. Climate change is a dangerous issue for France and the United States. The European Union needs to be concerned about the protests in France, a EU member state alright.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:21 pm

Taliostia wrote:
Far Easter Republic wrote:Macron is at fault then and now.


Macron is good for France. These protests are very bad but I don't live in France so this is none of my concern. I live in the United States under Donald Trump, our tyrant idiot in chief. Trump is not good for America. He made the United States leave the Paris Climate Agreement. Trump is a climate change denier, that is dangerous for the United States. Climate change is a dangerous issue for France and the United States. The European Union needs to be concerned about the protests in France, a EU member state alright.

Climate change is quite a fair bit less dangerous for the French.

For example, their crop yields are going to decrease only a bit, and that's not including possible CO2 fertilization.
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