Riots in France over fuel tax rises

[Petrolheadia]

How would that stop destroying a six octillion kilo rock?

Also, I live in the highlands of a farming region about to experience rising crop yields with global warming, so you can guess my stance on it.

I don’t know about your car, but inefficient transportation is one of the biggest polluters there is.

Besides. Those rising crop yields? Ain’t gonna last. And even if they did, you’d be flooded with immigrants and climate refugees. Add to that failing crop yields around the world, and I doubt the economy will hold.

If Poland becomes one of the few well-stocked countries and doesn't let too many refugees in, things will likely turn out rather well.

Especially when all of our big trading partners are also going to have increasing or at least stagnant yields, and increased prices bring a financial drive to innovate.

[Painisia]

Monsieur Jupiter is certainly not something for his hot-headed people. The peuple is shouting: Bring back le gillouitine!

[Kowani]

I don’t know about your car, but inefficient transportation is one of the biggest polluters there is.

Besides. Those rising crop yields? Ain’t gonna last. And even if they did, you’d be flooded with immigrants and climate refugees. Add to that failing crop yields around the world, and I doubt the economy will hold.

If Poland becomes one of the few well-stocked countries and doesn't let too many refugees in, things will likely turn out rather well.

Especially when all of our big trading partners are also going to have increasing or at least stagnant yields, and increased prices bring a financial drive to innovate.

That's a lot of ifs, mate.

Remind me, how long are those yields supposed to increase before we slip back into starvation?

[Petrolheadia]

If Poland becomes one of the few well-stocked countries and doesn't let too many refugees in, things will likely turn out rather well.

Especially when all of our big trading partners are also going to have increasing or at least stagnant yields, and increased prices bring a financial drive to innovate.

That's a lot of ifs, mate.

Remind me, how long are those yields supposed to increase before we slip back into starvation?

Considering possible advancements in farming via gene editing and Poland's at-best-replacement birth rate?

Very goddamn long.

[Kowani]

That's a lot of ifs, mate.

Remind me, how long are those yields supposed to increase before we slip back into starvation?

Considering possible advancements in farming via gene editing and Poland's at-best-replacement birth rate?

Very goddamn long.

See, predicting future advancements is a very bad idea, because you have no way to know what will be discovered.

Citation needed.

[Esternial]

France, keep your French out of our Belgium, goddamnit. Wallonia is very impressionable :(

In Flanders a Dutch guy jumped on it and began setting up a protest, which once again reinforces the Dutch stereotype.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

France, keep your French out of our Belgium, goddamnit. Wallonia is very impressionable

In Flanders a Dutch guy jumped on it and began setting up a protest, which once again reinforces the Dutch stereotype.

Belgium?

Did you mean French Wallonie and Dutch Vlaanderen?

[Petrolheadia]

Considering possible advancements in farming via gene editing and Poland's at-best-replacement birth rate?

Very goddamn long.

See, predicting future advancements is a very bad idea, because you have no way to know what will be discovered.

And knowing history, there's a huge chance something will be, especially with gene editing in full force.

[Petrolheadia]

France, keep your French out of our Belgium, goddamnit. Wallonia is very impressionable

I hope they are.

[Trumptonium1]

Ain’t gonna last. And even if they did, you’d be flooded with immigrants and climate refugees.

I don't understand this refugee argument.

It assumes that they would be let in. Why is that assumption automatic?

[Petrolheadia]

Ain’t gonna last. And even if they did, you’d be flooded with immigrants and climate refugees.

I don't understand this refugee argument.

It assumes that they would be let in. Why is that assumption automatic?

Well, they aren't immigrants if they are not allowed to immigrate.

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[Trumptonium1]

It is very relevant in my life. Why should the other stuff be relevant to me?

Why should what you want be relevant to the government?

Assuming the government is a democracy, it's a good idea to listen unless you want the polar opposite to come in after you. Obama didn't listen, and America had a good surprise.

Assuming the government is not a democracy, social contract. You'll have to, else you'll (and your head) be removed sooner or later.

[Trumptonium1]

I don't understand this refugee argument.

It assumes that they would be let in. Why is that assumption automatic?

Well, they aren't immigrants if they are not allowed to immigrate.

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I cannae argue with that Chief

[Ors Might]

Unsurprisingly, doing something that harms your citizens will not prove popular with your citizens. Are there not more effective means of reducing emissions while simultaneously not making life harder for innocent people?

[Valgora]

Unsurprisingly, doing something that harms your citizens will not prove popular with your citizens. Are there not more effective means of reducing emissions while simultaneously not making life harder for innocent people?

There are.
Such as putting the burden on companies instead of the people.
And using a better kinda fuel (such as biofuel made from hemp).

[Trumptonium1]

Unsurprisingly, doing something that harms your citizens will not prove popular with your citizens. Are there not more effective means of reducing emissions while simultaneously not making life harder for innocent people?

There are.
Such as putting the burden on companies instead of the people.

Burden is dictated by elasticity of products. Everyone needs oil, so any taxes on oil companies will go directly to the consumer to the full amount.

[Trumptonium1]

Paris today is descending into borderline anarchy

It's going to get worse tomorrow.

The interior ministry is on the verge of declaring a curfew in Paris overnight. Over 100 have been injured and 250 arrested.

https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1068901373582995457
https://www.france24.com/en/20181201-fr ... over-taxes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46411699
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KwmvltYVUM

[The Huskar Social Union]

Fucking hell.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Paris today is descending into borderline anarchy

It's going to get worse tomorrow.

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The interior ministry is on the verge of declaring a curfew in Paris overnight. Over 100 have been injured and 250 arrested.

https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1068901373582995457
https://www.france24.com/en/20181201-fr ... over-taxes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46411699
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KwmvltYVUM

Never change, Paris, never change...

We just need the Paris Commune to pull a shocker from the dead:

[Garner Industrial State]

Paris today is descending into borderline anarchy

It's going to get worse tomorrow.

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The interior ministry is on the verge of declaring a curfew in Paris overnight. Over 100 have been injured and 250 arrested.

https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1068901373582995457
https://www.france24.com/en/20181201-fr ... over-taxes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46411699
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KwmvltYVUM

Never change, Paris, never change...

We just need the Paris Commune to pull a shocker from the dead:

The second coming

[Trumptonium1]

In other news, the Gilets Jaunes have been sort of developing a leadership and eight men wanted to do a conference with the Prime Minister, Edouard Philippe.

They all left the Hotel Matignon where the meeting was due to take place because the Prime Minister refused to broadcast it live on television or let it be filmed.

[Petrolheadia]

Unsurprisingly, doing something that harms your citizens will not prove popular with your citizens. Are there not more effective means of reducing emissions while simultaneously not making life harder for innocent people?

There are.
Such as putting the burden on companies instead of the people.
And using a better kinda fuel (such as biofuel made from hemp).

And then it comes back to cusromers in the form of higher prices.

[The Alma Mater]

Unsurprisingly, doing something that harms your citizens will not prove popular with your citizens.

Which ofc. is a valid reason to set fire to the cars of random people and loot stores.
Right ?

Unsurprisingly, doing something that harms your citizens will not prove popular with your citizens.

Short term harm vs longterm harm. Choices, choices.

Are there not more effective means of reducing emissions while simultaneously not making life harder for innocent people?

While you can certainly argue that they are forced to be wasteful thanks to the system, the people are not innocent. They pollute. They emit.

[Petrolheadia]

Unsurprisingly, doing something that harms your citizens will not prove popular with your citizens.

Which ofc. is a valid reason to set fire to the cars of random people and loot stores.
Right ?

Sometimes comes the moment when shit hits the fan.

Unsurprisingly, doing something that harms your citizens will not prove popular with your citizens.

Short term harm vs longterm harm. Choices, choices.

Short-term is certain.

Are there not more effective means of reducing emissions while simultaneously not making life harder for innocent people?

While you can certainly argue that they are forced to be wasteful thanks to the system, the people are not innocent. They pollute. They emit.

And without making things harder for people in general?

[Nouveau Yathrib]

Gas taxes are a crummy way to combat climate change. They result in a minimal level of pollution reduction, and place the burden on people who are neither heavy polkuters, nor easily able to accommodate the tax.

How else do you propose implementing a carbon tax if a large chunk of CO2 emissions come from burning fossil fuels for personal transportation?