Riots in France over fuel tax rises

[Frievolk]

Not talking about a "you", but a figurative you, but yeah. I don't give a fuck how lazy or stingy you are that you can't literally hire a truck, or call them to bring that to you.
The problem is, you assume I care about that. You don't want to ride a bus because it won't "stop directly in the hardware store loading bay and have a storage space for sheets of plywood, furniture, plants and whatnot"? tough. Get out and protest, get beaten with a bat and take some tear gas so you can learn better until you learn to take a bus and carry all that shit back home.
The Collective of a country's general health shouldn't just like, take a backseat because you (again, figurative) can't be arsed to hire a truck, or ask them to deliver it home.

Why should we, the collective number of people who either have a damn good purpose for a car, like cars, or both, care about the general health?

Our cars have been subject to increasingly stringent emission norms for the last few decades anyway.

There is no reason you should, and you shouldn't. The State does. All you have to do is not protest against the decisions of a State that, in this specific, exceptional turn of event, actually knows better.
Or, you know, do, and get hit by a bat and take some tear gas to the face until you learn better.

[Petrolheadia]

Why should we, the collective number of people who either have a damn good purpose for a car, like cars, or both, care about the general health?

Our cars have been subject to increasingly stringent emission norms for the last few decades anyway.

There is no reason you should, and you shouldn't. The State does. All you have to do is not protest against the decisions of a State that, in this specific, exceptional turn of event, actually knows better.
Or, you know, do, and get hit by a bat and take some tear gas to the face until you learn better.

Why would the state know better what I want than I do?

I know what I want - being able to easily transport stuff door-to-door. And they're hampering that after we agreed to the compromise of fuel taxes and emission control.

[Panslavicland]

Marine Le Pen wouldn't have done this, I hope the French learn from their mistake.

[Bienenhalde]

These violent and unruly rioters must be suppressed all by all means necessary. I would recommend that Macron declares martial law and has these violent hooligans arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

These violent and unruly rioters must be suppressed all by all means necessary. I would recommend that Macron declares martial law and has these violent hooligans arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Or he could, I don't know, actually give the people what they want, which is less fuel taxes.

[Bienenhalde]

These violent and unruly rioters must be suppressed all by all means necessary. I would recommend that Macron declares martial law and has these violent hooligans arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Or he could, I don't know, actually give the people what they want, which is less fuel taxes.

It does not matter what the people want, because the people are wrong. It would be better if they just quit complaining and accepted that this new policy is necessary.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Or he could, I don't know, actually give the people what they want, which is less fuel taxes.

It does not matter what the people want, because the people are wrong. It would be better if they just quit complaining and accepted that this new policy is necessary.

Tell that to people whose livelihood depends on fuel. Not everyone has access to a good public transport system.

[Bienenhalde]

Far worse imo. In this case of yellow jacket riots, Le Pen would probably imprison people en masse and use the chaos to make protesting illegal and militarize the police. Macron may be wildly unpopular but he isn't a fascist and will most likely backpedal from a bad situation instead of escalating it. He is kind of the lesser of the two evils.

Our police is already "militarized", every police man has a gun and is allowed to use it to defend itself not to mention that our riot police isn't a little bitch like the U.K's one and will actually tear-gas, water canon and just fucking charge and beat the fuck out of rioters if they go too crazy.
Hell, the Gendarmes that supervised the protest to make sure it didn't go too much to shit is literally the military police.

No one is dumb enough to outlaw protests and striking, it has been constantly guaranteed as a right since Napoléon III. As for jailing the people who break shit or gets too violent, Macron does it, Hollande did it, everyone has always and will always do it because they're fucking criminals.

I quite honestly do not care what has been a "right" since Napoleon III. France would be far better off if they stopped all this revolutionary nonsense and returned the Ancien Régime.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Our police is already "militarized", every police man has a gun and is allowed to use it to defend itself not to mention that our riot police isn't a little bitch like the U.K's one and will actually tear-gas, water canon and just fucking charge and beat the fuck out of rioters if they go too crazy.
Hell, the Gendarmes that supervised the protest to make sure it didn't go too much to shit is literally the military police.

No one is dumb enough to outlaw protests and striking, it has been constantly guaranteed as a right since Napoléon III. As for jailing the people who break shit or gets too violent, Macron does it, Hollande did it, everyone has always and will always do it because they're fucking criminals.

I quite honestly do not care what has been a "right" since Napoleon III. France would be far better off if they stopped all this revolutionary nonsense and returned the Ancien Régime.

Oh golly, an absolute monarchist.

I must screenshot this!

[-Ocelot-]

Marine Le Pen wouldn't have done this, I hope the French learn from their mistake.

Le Pen would have handled such riots by removing the right to protest altogether. Fascists love riots and social unrest because it allows them to easily take rights away in the name of security and safety.

[Petrolheadia]

Or he could, I don't know, actually give the people what they want, which is less fuel taxes.

It does not matter what the people want, because the people are wrong. It would be better if they just quit complaining and accepted that this new policy is necessary.

If it's so good, convince us it is.

[Kowani]

There is no reason you should, and you shouldn't. The State does. All you have to do is not protest against the decisions of a State that, in this specific, exceptional turn of event, actually knows better.
Or, you know, do, and get hit by a bat and take some tear gas to the face until you learn better.

Why would the state know better what I want than I do?

I know what I want - being able to easily transport stuff door-to-door. And they're hampering that after we agreed to the compromise of fuel taxes and emission control.

And we know what we want. Not destroying our planet. Now, Macron’s policy is poorly designed at best, but it’s a step in the right direction.

[Petrolheadia]

Why would the state know better what I want than I do?

I know what I want - being able to easily transport stuff door-to-door. And they're hampering that after we agreed to the compromise of fuel taxes and emission control.

And we know what we want. Not destroying our planet. Now, Macron’s policy is poorly designed at best, but it’s a step in the right direction.

How would that stop destroying a six octillion kilo rock?

Also, I live in the highlands of a farming region about to experience rising crop yields with global warming, so you can guess my stance on it.

[Kowani]

And we know what we want. Not destroying our planet. Now, Macron’s policy is poorly designed at best, but it’s a step in the right direction.

How would that stop destroying a six octillion kilo rock?

Also, I live in the highlands of a farming region about to experience rising crop yields with global warming, so you can guess my stance on it.

I don’t know about your car, but inefficient transportation is one of the biggest polluters there is.

Besides. Those rising crop yields? Ain’t gonna last. And even if they did, you’d be flooded with immigrants and climate refugees. Add to that failing crop yields around the world, and I doubt the economy will hold.

[Ifreann]

And we know what we want. Not destroying our planet. Now, Macron’s policy is poorly designed at best, but it’s a step in the right direction.

How would that stop destroying a six octillion kilo rock?

Also, I live in the highlands of a farming region about to experience rising crop yields with global warming, so you can guess my stance on it.

Six septillion.

[Salandriagado]

Because the rich drive more, pollute more, and benefit more from the system, so they should pay more to maintain it.

Last time I checked, no country had a flat fee tax.

And that has precisely nothing to do with the discussion, but nice attempt to dodge.

[Salandriagado]

There is no reason you should, and you shouldn't. The State does. All you have to do is not protest against the decisions of a State that, in this specific, exceptional turn of event, actually knows better.
Or, you know, do, and get hit by a bat and take some tear gas to the face until you learn better.

Why would the state know better what I want than I do?

I know what I want - being able to easily transport stuff door-to-door. And they're hampering that after we agreed to the compromise of fuel taxes and emission control.

They don't need to. Because, quite frankly, what you want is fucking irrelevant.

[Great Minarchistan]

France seems to have a fetish/addiction for governmental paternalism (and that still manages to trace back to centuries ago), it's almost as if a cultural thing.

I would say that this is a revolt against government paternalism, because it is burdensome taxes being protested here.

Call me when they advocate for spending cuts (likely never), else it's just fiscal populism really.

[Novus America]

I would say that this is a revolt against government paternalism, because it is burdensome taxes being protested here.

Call me when they advocate for spending cuts (likely never), else it's just fiscal populism really.

Or just finding any excuse to riot and steal stuff because it is kind of a Paris tradition.
While there are certainly legitimate grounds to criticize this particular policy, I seriously doubt the average rioter has a deep principled understanding of the issues involved.

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

And I thought the Baltimore riots were bad

[Bolkenia]

Quick update : According to various sources, over 75%
of the population is supporting the Yellow Jackets. That's over 40 millions. The actual protesters are much less numberous but the idea is still present.

[The Grims]

I like how fuel taxes in several other European countries are far higher, but no riots ensue.

[Petrolheadia]

Why would the state know better what I want than I do?

I know what I want - being able to easily transport stuff door-to-door. And they're hampering that after we agreed to the compromise of fuel taxes and emission control.

They don't need to. Because, quite frankly, what you want is fucking irrelevant.

It is very relevant in my life. Why should the other stuff be relevant to me?

[Kowani]

They don't need to. Because, quite frankly, what you want is fucking irrelevant.

It is very relevant in my life. Why should the other stuff be relevant to me?

There's this thing called the bigger picture. You should look at it sometime.

[Frievolk]

They don't need to. Because, quite frankly, what you want is fucking irrelevant.

It is very relevant in my life. Why should the other stuff be relevant to me?

Why should what you want be relevant to the government?