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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:06 am

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Khataiy wrote:I urge the French government to show restraint and treat its people with dignity and respect and to end any alleged abuses to human rights in this model Democratic state

Dunno how many homosexual catalogues you had to browse in order to consider France "model" anything.

If America of barely above 50% turnout and declining life expectancy can claim it is a model, why can't France? Why can't the Czech Republic?
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Postby Bolkenia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:08 am

Mardla wrote:Dunno how many homosexual catalogues you had to browse in order to consider France "model" anything.


What the hell are you talking about ?
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Postby The Holy Therns » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:09 am

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Mardla wrote:Dunno how many homosexual catalogues you had to browse in order to consider France "model" anything.

If America of barely above 50% turnout and declining life expectancy can claim it is a model, why can't France? Why can't the Czech Republic?


Cuz modelin' is so gay.
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Postby Bolkenia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:10 am

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Cuz modelin' is so gay.

It was a joke right ?
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Postby The Holy Therns » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:11 am

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The Holy Therns wrote:
Cuz modelin' is so gay.

It was a joke right ?


Me, yes. Mardla, probably not.
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Postby Bolkenia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:13 am

Mardla is probably the good old kind of "muh froggies are faggots" because we are not looking like... like what ? I mean, do we really look "gay"?
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Postby Mardla » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:15 am

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Mardla wrote:Dunno how many homosexual catalogues you had to browse in order to consider France "model" anything.

If America of barely above 50% turnout and declining life expectancy can claim it is a model, why can't France? Why can't the Czech Republic?

America is a soulless fucking trainwreck with zero identity, just a big fat commerce hub.
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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:17 am

Mardla wrote:
Olerand wrote:If America of barely above 50% turnout and declining life expectancy can claim it is a model, why can't France? Why can't the Czech Republic?

America is a soulless fucking trainwreck with zero identity, just a big fat commerce hub.

And yet it lectures the world about being a model. Invaded plenty of countries, killed millions to forcefully export its model lifestyle.
Claims it's a model while it can barely get 50% of its people to vote and it can't keep them alive. So, if that can claim it is a model, then so can we, and so can Spain. Problem solved.
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Postby Mardla » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:22 am

Olerand wrote:
Mardla wrote:America is a soulless fucking trainwreck with zero identity, just a big fat commerce hub.

And yet it lectures the world about being a model. Invaded plenty of countries, killed millions. Claims it's a model while it can barely get 50% of its people to vote and it can't keep them alive. So, if that can claim it is a model, then so can we, and so can Spain. Problem solved.

Why would we want more than 50% of our people to vote? The ones who don't tend to be less intelligent I wish we didn't ban poll tax..

Don't lecture us about imperialism, you only are peaceful gudbois because your state is impotent. When you had the might, you waged war and expanded your holdings with a fury.
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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:26 am

Mardla wrote:
Olerand wrote:And yet it lectures the world about being a model. Invaded plenty of countries, killed millions. Claims it's a model while it can barely get 50% of its people to vote and it can't keep them alive. So, if that can claim it is a model, then so can we, and so can Spain. Problem solved.

Why would we want more than 50% of our people to vote? The ones who don't tend to be less intelligent I wish we didn't ban poll tax..

Don't lecture us about imperialism, you only are peaceful gudbois because your state is impotent. When you had the might, you waged war and expanded your holdings with a fury.

And yet, in today's world, we don't. I know, I know, the past is so hard to leave for so many... But time progresses, and so, unfortunately, must we.

Anyway, again, your opinion and who you think should or shouldn't vote is irrelevant. America lectures all of planet Earth and any aliens we will soon meet about everything and anything, and Americans trot the globe dispensing unsolicited remarks and criticisms. And yet, America can barely get more than 50% of its eligible citizenry, who haven't permanently lost their civic rights like millions of Americans have, to vote; and can't keep them alive.
And if that country claims to be the model that can dispense criticisms and scathing reports about others, then France and Italy are models too.
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Postby Mardla » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:31 am

Olerand wrote:
Mardla wrote:Why would we want more than 50% of our people to vote? The ones who don't tend to be less intelligent I wish we didn't ban poll tax..

Don't lecture us about imperialism, you only are peaceful gudbois because your state is impotent. When you had the might, you waged war and expanded your holdings with a fury.

And yet, in today's world, we don't. I know, I know, the past is so hard to leave for so many... But time progresses, and so, unfortunately, must we.

Anyway, again, your opinion and who you think should or shouldn't vote is irrelevant. America lectures all of planet Earth and any aliens we will soon meet about everything and anything, and Americans trot the globe dispensing unsolicited remarks and criticisms. And yet, America can barely get more than 50% of its eligible citizenry, who haven't permanently lost their civic rights like millions of Americans have, to vote; and can't keep them alive.
And if that country claims to be the model that can dispense criticisms and scathing reports about others, then France and Italy are models too.

France only doesn't do what we do because France is no longer strong enough to.
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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:32 am

Mardla wrote:
Olerand wrote:And yet, in today's world, we don't. I know, I know, the past is so hard to leave for so many... But time progresses, and so, unfortunately, must we.

Anyway, again, your opinion and who you think should or shouldn't vote is irrelevant. America lectures all of planet Earth and any aliens we will soon meet about everything and anything, and Americans trot the globe dispensing unsolicited remarks and criticisms. And yet, America can barely get more than 50% of its eligible citizenry, who haven't permanently lost their civic rights like millions of Americans have, to vote; and can't keep them alive.
And if that country claims to be the model that can dispense criticisms and scathing reports about others, then France and Italy are models too.

France only doesn't do what we do because France is no longer strong enough to.

Irrelevant, we're a model. Like Japan is, seeing as how their people... Aren't seeing their life expectancy decrease.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:34 am

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Bolkenia wrote:It was a joke right ?


Me, yes. Mardla, probably not.


Actually, I think he was joking. I mean, he does have extreme political views, but he also has a quirky sense of humor.

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Postby Kannap » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:35 am

Bienenhalde wrote:
The Holy Therns wrote:
Me, yes. Mardla, probably not.


Actually, I think he was joking. I mean, he does have extreme political views, but he also has a quirky sense of humor.


"Quirky sense of humor" is a weird way to spell "No sense of humor"
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:52 pm

Bolkenia wrote:Mardla is probably the good old kind of "muh froggies are faggots" because we are not looking like... like what ? I mean, do we really look "gay"?


I don't think you want to hear the answer.
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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:12 pm

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Bolkenia wrote:Mardla is probably the good old kind of "muh froggies are faggots" because we are not looking like... like what ? I mean, do we really look "gay"?


I don't think you want to hear the answer.

Is such infantile commentary still a thing? :lol2:
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Postby Kannap » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:37 pm

Trumptonium1 wrote:
Bolkenia wrote:Mardla is probably the good old kind of "muh froggies are faggots" because we are not looking like... like what ? I mean, do we really look "gay"?


I don't think you want to hear the answer.


The raw jealousy of heterosexuals wishing they could look fabulous? I hear it enough.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:40 pm

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I don't think you want to hear the answer.


The raw jealousy of heterosexuals wishing they could look fabulous? I hear it enough.


My mother and I agree that homosexuals have astonishingly clean houses and pleasing aesthetic styles.

They have their own, I have my own (largely utilitarian).

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Postby Aellex » Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:45 pm

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Bolkenia wrote:Mardla is probably the good old kind of "muh froggies are faggots" because we are not looking like... like what ? I mean, do we really look "gay"?


I don't think you want to hear the answer.

The Eternal pole is still angry he can traces most of his ancestry to the Grande Armée it seems. :^)
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Postby Hirota » Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:52 pm

Olerand wrote:"Leftists in France"?... Uh... Maybe some on the Parisian Anglo-Saxon "left" bobo side, who inherently cannot find themselves supporting a movement manned mostly by whites. But by and large, the "left" isn't calling them fascist at all. How could they when the polls show a majority of the country supports them, and when the left-wing populist leader Mélenchon fancies himself a chieftain of the movement?
I'm relying on English articles and google translate for that whole "leftists in france" spiel. But isn't it true Benoît Hamon declined to join the march for fear of marching side-by-side with the far right? And I understand Mélenchon dragged his feet over anything other than tentative support until late in developments?

Not that I'm sure it would be a good thing for Mélenchon to get involved. There's enough claims of Russian meddling already.
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I don't think you want to hear the answer.

The Eternal pole is still angry he can traces most of his ancestry to the Grande Armée it seems. :^)


Not many records of the time period exist, the French were too busy marching backwards to fill in the paper forms. :<
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Aellex wrote:The Eternal pole is still angry he can traces most of his ancestry to the Grande Armée it seems. :^)


Not many records of the time period exist, the French were too busy marching backwards to fill in the paper forms. :<

We had to give little brothers and sisters to the first ones we sired to make sure they don't feel lonely, the field isn't to be left unplowed and all that. :^)
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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:16 pm

Hirota wrote:
Olerand wrote:"Leftists in France"?... Uh... Maybe some on the Parisian Anglo-Saxon "left" bobo side, who inherently cannot find themselves supporting a movement manned mostly by whites. But by and large, the "left" isn't calling them fascist at all. How could they when the polls show a majority of the country supports them, and when the left-wing populist leader Mélenchon fancies himself a chieftain of the movement?
I'm relying on English articles and google translate for that whole "leftists in france" spiel. But isn't it true Benoît Hamon declined to join the march for fear of marching side-by-side with the far right? And I understand Mélenchon dragged his feet over anything other than tentative support until late in developments?

Not that I'm sure it would be a good thing for Mélenchon to get involved. There's enough claims of Russian meddling already.


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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:41 pm

Hirota wrote:
Olerand wrote:"Leftists in France"?... Uh... Maybe some on the Parisian Anglo-Saxon "left" bobo side, who inherently cannot find themselves supporting a movement manned mostly by whites. But by and large, the "left" isn't calling them fascist at all. How could they when the polls show a majority of the country supports them, and when the left-wing populist leader Mélenchon fancies himself a chieftain of the movement?
I'm relying on English articles and google translate for that whole "leftists in france" spiel. But isn't it true Benoît Hamon declined to join the march for fear of marching side-by-side with the far right? And I understand Mélenchon dragged his feet over anything other than tentative support until late in developments?

Not that I'm sure it would be a good thing for Mélenchon to get involved. There's enough claims of Russian meddling already.

Mélenchon doesn't care about Russian meddling. He's more of a scorched earth kind of guy, vis-à-vis Macron. He even attacked the judiciary, claiming that the president was using it against him... Which is not cute.
And he dragged his feet only for a short while, he was far too willing, some might say, to ride the protests. His other député Ruffin is basically the only mainstream politician who's not only a part of the movement, but actively calling for sedition.

Anyway, Hamon... Hamon... Thank GOD, Hamon isn't the left.

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Hirota wrote:I'm relying on English articles and google translate for that whole "leftists in france" spiel. But isn't it true Benoît Hamon declined to join the march for fear of marching side-by-side with the far right? And I understand Mélenchon dragged his feet over anything other than tentative support until late in developments?

Not that I'm sure it would be a good thing for Mélenchon to get involved. There's enough claims of Russian meddling already.


Does Hamon actually still exist politically?

He's still voting for himself, so... He still exists as much as he ever has.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:26 am

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Ifreann wrote:Well the people who were rioting probably didn't damage their own property.



Like when the police use tear gas? I wouldn't be mad about that, personally.



Weren't the deaths accidents?


If the police used tear gas to stop a violent riot and save lives, then yes, its justified.

So the ends justify the means, eh?
What you are talking about however, is a violent riot which killed a person, injured others and destroyed lots of valuable property....in order to end a fuel tax increase. In a country that is in severe debt. How are they even comparable with each other?

So money is very important indeed when it's repairs to property or increased insurance premiums, but not important at all when it's lower taxes and higher wages. That's interesting.
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