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Postby Olerand » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:08 pm

Quency wrote:
Olerand wrote:In a way.

To a criminal, perhaps.

To France. We often look back on those actions more fondly when they're in the past, see all French riots and major protests ever. And they make for good photos.
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Postby Quency » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:13 pm

Olerand wrote:
Quency wrote:To a criminal, perhaps.

To France. We often look back on those actions more fondly when they're in the past, see all French riots and major protests ever. And they make for good photos.

I don't think that's much reconciliation for those who's property has been destroyed.
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Postby Olerand » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:16 pm

Quency wrote:
Olerand wrote:To France. We often look back on those actions more fondly when they're in the past, see all French riots and major protests ever. And they make for good photos.

I don't think that's much reconciliation for those who's property has been destroyed.

A very small minority of the country, who have insurance and more often than not receive assistance from the State.
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Postby Quency » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:18 pm

Olerand wrote:
Quency wrote:I don't think that's much reconciliation for those who's property has been destroyed.

A very small minority of the country, who have insurance and more often than not receive assistance from the State.

It destroys real goods and disrupts the general order all the same.
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Postby Olerand » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:19 pm

Quency wrote:
Olerand wrote:A very small minority of the country, who have insurance and more often than not receive assistance from the State.

It destroys real goods and disrupts the general order all the same.

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Postby Kannap » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:19 pm

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Kannap wrote:Finally saw a thread of pictures from the riots on Twitter, particularly some of the graffiti on walls and such, and I must admit, the things I have seen have been beautiful. Nice to see the people making their voices heard.

Yup, lighting cars on fire and vandalising stores is just beautiful.


Ignoring the people participating just to get a free television from the store, the ones actually protesting for a cause are doing so beautifully.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:20 pm

Olerand wrote:
Quency wrote:To a criminal, perhaps.

To France. We often look back on those actions more fondly when they're in the past, see all French riots and major protests ever. And they make for good photos.


May 1968, the good ol' days.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:21 pm

Quency wrote:
Olerand wrote:A very small minority of the country, who have insurance and more often than not receive assistance from the State.

It destroys real goods and disrupts the general order all the same.


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Postby Olerand » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:22 pm

Kannap wrote:
Olerand wrote:To France. We often look back on those actions more fondly when they're in the past, see all French riots and major protests ever. And they make for good photos.


May 1968, the good ol' days.

The tearing up of pavement to throw at the police is a much derided at the moment, and then fondly remembered tradition.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:26 pm

Olerand wrote:
Kannap wrote:
May 1968, the good ol' days.

The tearing up of pavement to throw at the police is a much derided at the moment, and then fondly remembered tradition.


I also saw a picture of graffiti earlier that read "14 juillet 1789: des casseurs saccagent un monument historique" and thought that was quite beautiful.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Mon Dec 10, 2018 6:32 pm

Kannap wrote:
Olerand wrote:The tearing up of pavement to throw at the police is a much derided at the moment, and then fondly remembered tradition.


I also saw a picture of graffiti earlier that read "14 juillet 1789: des casseurs saccagent un monument historique" and thought that was quite beautiful.


As a monarchist, I would agree with that un-ironically.

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Postby Cedoria » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 am

Good to see France at least is regaining its revolutionary spirit,

That said, I expect it won't end till Macron and all his cronies are gone. France needs a new political order, and not the Neo-Fascist one that the OP seems to pine for.
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Postby Spearos » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:34 am

I wish those riots were happening in my home country. We are seriously getting ripped off due to the stupid fuel tax.

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Postby Bolkenia » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:39 am

If we need to burn Paris itself to kill the cancer that poison our country, I will bring the torches. I'm not for vandalism itself but it doesn't matter at all. You got an insurance, you got Gov's aid, you don't give a fuck about your stock since it probably belongs to a bigger company. I just hope for another economic crisis to kill the bank system once for good and make something out of this reboot. We don't need a communist, capitalist, fascist, goatfuckerist... society, we need something new, without greed, without authority abuse, without censorship and a world when the peoples are in charge of the power. As for the scale of France, we need to be able to kick out the President and we need to be able to propose our laws directly, without this joke that is the Sénat.
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Postby The Griffon Republic » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:47 am

If Macron was smart, he would have used his position to subsidize electric car makers and make them affordable for people. Along with that, offer a tax incentive for those who buy electric cars (Maybe even do a car trade in thing. Trade in your gas powered vehicle and the government will pay for a portion of it.) and get rid of that stupid vest rule. Maybe offer a tax incentive to have electric vehicle manufacturers to include the things in the trunk of the vehicle. Just a suggestion. Maybe half of Paris, and France in general, wouldn't be on the brink of civil war.

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Postby The Griffon Republic » Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:49 am

Spearos wrote:I wish those riots were happening in my home country. We are seriously getting ripped off due to the stupid fuel tax.


You can do it! Just buy a Merkal mask and a few bottles of vodka, some rags, and a few bic lighters :)

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Postby Phoenicaea » Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:15 am

^ sometimes it could be passable or fair, i ve learned. nevertheless as a base you have to contraint from fires, you shouldn t set fire to commoners voitures homes offices and shops.

it may be passable to set fire to great chain stores, banks whatever. this not because of a guilt hysteria, it is things that don t hurt the owners, for them is few thing. that is obvious

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:49 am

The Griffon Republic wrote:
Spearos wrote:I wish those riots were happening in my home country. We are seriously getting ripped off due to the stupid fuel tax.


You can do it! Just buy a Merkal mask and a few bottles of vodka, some rags, and a few bic lighters :)

Be aware, liquor has to be over 40%ABV(80 proof) to be flammable.
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Postby Hirota » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:18 am

Cedoria wrote:and not the Neo-Fascist one that the OP seems to pine for.
Assuming that's true, He's hardly the only one. Leftists in France in the Press and the Government had been crawling over one another to claim it was all a far right plot. Macron’s ministers immediately tried to discredit the gilets jaunes as having links to neo-fascists. It's proof of blaming everything on imaginary Nazis, when really it was the left-leaning government being increasingly out of touch from the working & middle class.
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Postby Purgatio » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:20 am

Bolkenia wrote:If we need to burn Paris itself to kill the cancer that poison our country, I will bring the torches. I'm not for vandalism itself but it doesn't matter at all. You got an insurance, you got Gov's aid, you don't give a fuck about your stock since it probably belongs to a bigger company. I just hope for another economic crisis to kill the bank system once for good and make something out of this reboot. We don't need a communist, capitalist, fascist, goatfuckerist... society, we need something new, without greed, without authority abuse, without censorship and a world when the peoples are in charge of the power. As for the scale of France, we need to be able to kick out the President and we need to be able to propose our laws directly, without this joke that is the Sénat.


Jesus Christ....you're talking about committing mass vandalism (possible inflicting physical injuries on random bystanders in the intermittent chaos)....because of fuel tax increases? Jeez, talk about a massive overreaction to a tiny, trivial matter.
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Postby Kannap » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:22 am

Purgatio wrote:
Bolkenia wrote:If we need to burn Paris itself to kill the cancer that poison our country, I will bring the torches. I'm not for vandalism itself but it doesn't matter at all. You got an insurance, you got Gov's aid, you don't give a fuck about your stock since it probably belongs to a bigger company. I just hope for another economic crisis to kill the bank system once for good and make something out of this reboot. We don't need a communist, capitalist, fascist, goatfuckerist... society, we need something new, without greed, without authority abuse, without censorship and a world when the peoples are in charge of the power. As for the scale of France, we need to be able to kick out the President and we need to be able to propose our laws directly, without this joke that is the Sénat.


Jesus Christ....you're talking about committing mass vandalism (possible inflicting physical injuries on random bystanders in the intermittent chaos)....because of fuel tax increases? Jeez, talk about a massive overreaction to a tiny, trivial matter.


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Postby Purgatio » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:35 am

Kannap wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Jesus Christ....you're talking about committing mass vandalism (possible inflicting physical injuries on random bystanders in the intermittent chaos)....because of fuel tax increases? Jeez, talk about a massive overreaction to a tiny, trivial matter.


6th Republic Whateverism when?


Haha well at least it won't be the first time in history a Revolution occurred over nothing more than a tax rise (although the Revolution I'm thinking of in that regard wasn't French)
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Postby The East Pacific Nation » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:37 am

Purgatio wrote:
Kannap wrote:
6th Republic Whateverism when?


Haha well at least it won't be the first time in history a Revolution occurred over nothing more than a tax rise (although the Revolution I'm thinking of in that regard wasn't French)

People get mad over some trivial things.

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Postby Purgatio » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:38 am

The East Pacific Nation wrote:
Purgatio wrote:
Haha well at least it won't be the first time in history a Revolution occurred over nothing more than a tax rise (although the Revolution I'm thinking of in that regard wasn't French)

People get mad over some trivial things.


Most reasonable people who get mad over a trivial tax rise don't respond by advocating mass destruction of property and possible collateral physical injury inflicted on bystanders.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:41 am

Purgatio wrote:
The East Pacific Nation wrote:People get mad over some trivial things.


Most reasonable people who get mad over a trivial tax rise don't respond by advocating mass destruction of property and possible collateral physical injury inflicted on bystanders.

Oh no, not property damage! :eek:
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