Riots in France over fuel tax rises

[Telconi]

Who said anyone was fooled?

Well if not then the new name not having the negative connotations associated with the previous name won't make any difference.

You do understand its possible for people to change their mind without being fooled right?

[Ifreann]

Well if not then the new name not having the negative connotations associated with the previous name won't make any difference.

You do understand its possible for people to change their mind without being fooled right?

Based on a party changing their name?

[95X]

I don't claim to know how French internal politics work and generally believe that a foreign countries' internal affairs should be handled internally, but after reading two articles about the rioting extending into a fourth week I'm really beginning to think the government should consider declaring martial law.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46492070

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46481397

The government later scrapped the plan but the yellow vest protesters have since issued more than 40 demands to government, including a minimum pension and widespread changes to the tax system.

Again, the government should have the right to say "no", and if people don't like it they should vote for someone else next time. If they did vote for someone else and that candidate lost, they need to uphold and serve the election results.

Imagine if taxes could be raised by a court as punishment for rioting.

Government to a judge: 'we're suing the populace for rioting over what they feel is high taxes, here's our proof!'
Judge: 'your argument is valid, therefore I authorize a penalty tax increase on every citizen of double the current rate.'
Government to the people: 'how do you like your tax rates now?'

For the love of heaven, please speak softly!
They may be listening

That's exactly why I mentioned it, just in case any government is reading this thread for ideas I think it would be a good bargaining chip so the entire populace could go about their lives while thinking of voting for someone else next time.
Obviously, no government should be reading the forum of an online political game for ideas.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

So in reality, the fuel tax was merely the catalyst, the straw that broke the camel's back...

Those protests seem to be the result of the rising discontent of the French people, and now they're goddamn furious.

[Greed and Death]

I don't claim to know how French internal politics work and generally believe that a foreign countries' internal affairs should be handled internally, but after reading two articles about the rioting extending into a fourth week I'm really beginning to think the government should consider declaring martial law.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46492070

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46481397

The government later scrapped the plan but the yellow vest protesters have since issued more than 40 demands to government, including a minimum pension and widespread changes to the tax system.

Again, the government should have the right to say "no", and if people don't like it they should vote for someone else next time. If they did vote for someone else and that candidate lost, they need to uphold and serve the election results.

This is France we are talking about if they declare martial law the yellow Jackets are likely to storm the Bastille and declare a 6th Republic

[Flarbinia]

I still maintain it ain't a true French riot without the Parisian barricades.

I see you read Les Miserables.

[Phoenicaea]

^ the unique thing france must not do, and you can see it from abroad easely, is to declare that noisy and badly assembled, sort of a martial law.

the demostration's agenda (of the larger part of it) is then not to meet the claims of the bargains party, as the 'wall street journal' (and the thread's post) falsely claimed instead.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

So in reality, the fuel tax was merely the catalyst, the straw that broke the camel's back...

Those protests seem to be the result of the rising discontent of the French people, and now they're goddamn furious.

Hot take: people are protesting, they might be angry. You truly are uncovering untapped layers here.

[Novus America]

So in reality, the fuel tax was merely the catalyst, the straw that broke the camel's back...

Those protests seem to be the result of the rising discontent of the French people, and now they're goddamn furious.

Yes, France has a lot of issues, this is not just about the gas tax.
France also has very high unemployment and a high cost of living.

And many people seem to feel the government does not care about them and is actively harming them.

[Novus Wrepland]

So in reality, the fuel tax was merely the catalyst, the straw that broke the camel's back...

Those protests seem to be the result of the rising discontent of the French people, and now they're goddamn furious.

Yes, France has a lot of issues, this is not just about the gas tax.
France also has very high unemployment and a high cost of living.

And many people seem to feel the government does not care about them and is actively harming them.

If only people’s feelings were aligned with reality.

The encouraging thing is that some sources suggest that most of the recent protestors (this weekend) were Antifa and Proud Boy types rather than genuine rural yellow vests, suggesting that they’re not really as angry as they seem to be now that Macron backtracked.

[Novus America]

Yes, France has a lot of issues, this is not just about the gas tax.
France also has very high unemployment and a high cost of living.

And many people seem to feel the government does not care about them and is actively harming them.

If only people’s feelings were aligned with reality.

What makes you think those in government do care?
And if they do but fail to communicate it properly then that is a failure on their part.

[The Huskar Social Union]

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[Valrifell]

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What I don't understand is when antifa does this we're told they're violent ne'er-do-wells that have to be denounced by all, yellow vests protest in a similar way they're good French bois fighting for freedom.

[Novus Wrepland]

If only people’s feelings were aligned with reality.

What makes you think those in government do care?
And if they do but fail to communicate it properly then that is a failure on their part.

Their policies? To be honest we’ll probably have to get used to stuff like this as our populations get older and global warming and shit make things even worse.

[Kowani]

What makes you think those in government do care?
And if they do but fail to communicate it properly then that is a failure on their part.

Their policies? To be honest we’ll probably have to get used to stuff like this as our populations get older and global warming and shit make things even worse.

It’s almost like humans fucking up the planet means we’ll have to put in work to fix it...

[Bienenhalde]

LR is the literal definition of death by demographics.

Virtually all of their supporters are the religious elderly. That's their entire catchment area. They don't succeed with anyone else. There's such a big gap between irreligious and religious people in support for LR they have no chance of closing it, especially with the youth, a demographic within which LR is sixth in the country for support.

It is truly disappointing that so many young people these days are hostile to the church and support anti-clerical parties.

[Kowani]

LR is the literal definition of death by demographics.

Virtually all of their supporters are the religious elderly. That's their entire catchment area. They don't succeed with anyone else. There's such a big gap between irreligious and religious people in support for LR they have no chance of closing it, especially with the youth, a demographic within which LR is sixth in the country for support.

It is truly disappointing that so many young people these days are hostile to the church and support anti-clerical parties.

Gee, wonder why...

[Bienenhalde]

What I don't understand is when antifa does this we're told they're violent ne'er-do-wells that have to be denounced by all, yellow vests protest in a similar way they're good French bois fighting for freedom.

If it is any comfort, I am opposed to both antifa and the yellow vests.

[Greed and Death]

well I think France is about due for a revolution. May the 6th Republic be a better Republic.

[Novus America]

What makes you think those in government do care?
And if they do but fail to communicate it properly then that is a failure on their part.

Their policies? To be honest we’ll probably have to get used to stuff like this as our populations get older and global warming and shit make things even worse.

Their policies? You mean the ones they impose on others without following themselves?
You mean the policies that punish the defrauded victims of the diesel scandal and not the perpetrators? (Not surprisingly considering the same politicians allowed the scandal to happen and many were involved in it?)

You mean taxing the average worker’s diesel while flying private jets?
You mean forcing others to cut emissions while continuing to produce absurd amounts on their own?

Their policies seem to indicate they care about preserving their own position, regardless to the costs of those outside the ruling class.

If actually protecting the environment and economy was the objective there would be better ways to do so.

And if you are going to demand the public make sacrifices, unless you are willing to make the same sacrifices you will lose all credibility.
Which is the fundamental problem here.

Until the political elite understand the concepts of leading by example, servant leadership and self-sacrifice this situation is just going to get worse.

Gauche caviar are the problem, not the solution.

[Frievolk]

In all honesty, they've had an average of One Republic per 45 years. The Fifth Republic is due for a regime change any time now.

[Aellex]

In all honesty, they've had an average of One Republic per 45 years. The Fifth Republic is due for a regime change any time now.

2nd hardly count since it was made into a proto-consulat by Napoléon III from the get-go while the 4th was literally just a rebranding of the 3rd.
The 5th was more or less the officialisation of a soft (and democratic) military coup that enshrined the centralisation of power it accomplished but even so it really just was a grandiloquent name for what was a mere constitution change.

So, hé...

[Aellex]

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What I don't understand is when antifa does this we're told they're violent ne'er-do-wells that have to be denounced by all, yellow vests protest in a similar way they're good French bois fighting for freedom.

Because people meme-ing by bringing a guillotine for shit and giggle is the same as Antifa cunts (who've made up most of the people getting arrested by the police for violence and property damages unsurprisingly) throwing molotov at people and breaking windows.

[Arlenton]

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What I don't understand is when antifa does this we're told they're violent ne'er-do-wells that have to be denounced by all, yellow vests protest in a similar way they're good French bois fighting for freedom.

Because they are actually fighting for freedom.

[Thermodolia]

I don't claim to know how French internal politics work and generally believe that a foreign countries' internal affairs should be handled internally, but after reading two articles about the rioting extending into a fourth week I'm really beginning to think the government should consider declaring martial law.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46492070

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46481397

Again, the government should have the right to say "no", and if people don't like it they should vote for someone else next time. If they did vote for someone else and that candidate lost, they need to uphold and serve the election results.

This is France we are talking about if they declare martial law the yellow Jackets are likely to storm the Bastille and declare a 6th Republic

And then go and rule half of Europe