Riots in France over fuel tax rises

[Eilodon]

Great. Now we're doing crony dumping and planning duping Americans into buying outdated stuff by proper advertising.

But hasn't that always happened? As an American, I can say with confidence that we are pretty retarded. Show some propaganda and advertising and we will do anything or be loyal and fight for anything. Whether it be fidget spinners or bloody glow up sneakers. Or vote for Republicans & Democrats.

[Petrolheadia]

Great. Now we're doing crony dumping and planning duping Americans into buying outdated stuff by proper advertising.

Outdated stuff? Huh? How is a new car outdated?

The Beetle was outdated the moment Europe and Asia were rebuilt enough for competitors to invest into economy cars. Even contemporary designs of a "people's car", like the Citroen 2CV or Steyr Baby, were more advanced.

Americans were keeping it afloat, and even them gravitated towards Opels, Fords, Toyotas, Datsuns and all that jazz by the late 60s and early 70s.

[Petrolheadia]

Great. Now we're doing crony dumping and planning duping Americans into buying outdated stuff by proper advertising.

But hasn't that always happened? As an American, I can say with confidence that we are pretty retarded. Show some propaganda and advertising and we will do anything or be loyal and fight for anything. Whether it be fidget spinners or bloody glow up sneakers. Or vote for Republicans & Democrats.

Most countries would do that.

It's that in the US nobody bothered to really challenge the Beetle - until the Japanese did and gave it a beatdown (with American help).

[The South Falls]

Outdated stuff? Huh? How is a new car outdated?

The Beetle was outdated the moment Europe and Asia were rebuilt enough for competitors to invest into economy cars. Even contemporary designs of a "people's car", like the Citroen 2CV or Steyr Baby, were more advanced.

Americans were keeping it afloat, and even them gravitated towards Opels, Fords, Toyotas, Datsuns and all that jazz by the late 60s and early 70s.

I mean, it wouldn't literally be a Volkswagen, would it? The idea of the people's car is not outdated. You can still have a car that's mostly for those with less income.

[Telconi]

Outdated stuff? Huh? How is a new car outdated?

The Beetle was outdated the moment Europe and Asia were rebuilt enough for competitors to invest into economy cars. Even contemporary designs of a "people's car", like the Citroen 2CV or Steyr Baby, were more advanced.

Americans were keeping it afloat, and even them gravitated towards Opels, Fords, Toyotas, Datsuns and all that jazz by the late 60s and early 70s.

The beetle was a thirty year old design by the time it ever saw serious production.

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I still maintain it ain't a true French riot without the Parisian barricades.

[Petrolheadia]

The Beetle was outdated the moment Europe and Asia were rebuilt enough for competitors to invest into economy cars. Even contemporary designs of a "people's car", like the Citroen 2CV or Steyr Baby, were more advanced.

Americans were keeping it afloat, and even them gravitated towards Opels, Fords, Toyotas, Datsuns and all that jazz by the late 60s and early 70s.

I mean, it wouldn't literally be a Volkswagen, would it? The idea of the people's car is not outdated. You can still have a car that's mostly for those with less income.

Except that just a few years of serious post-war research into economy car showed you can build one with four doors, independent front suspension, unibody construction and possibly FWD, as opposed to the VW's two doors, torsion bar, body on frame and rear engine RWD.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Outdated stuff? Huh? How is a new car outdated?

The Beetle was outdated the moment Europe and Asia were rebuilt enough for competitors to invest into economy cars. Even contemporary designs of a "people's car", like the Citroen 2CV or Steyr Baby, were more advanced.

Americans were keeping it afloat, and even them gravitated towards Opels, Fords, Toyotas, Datsuns and all that jazz by the late 60s and early 70s.

However, I didn't say I wanted the car to be outdated.

Only that the hypothetical French car manufacturer would be based on an idea like Volkswagen.

[Petrolheadia]

The Beetle was outdated the moment Europe and Asia were rebuilt enough for competitors to invest into economy cars. Even contemporary designs of a "people's car", like the Citroen 2CV or Steyr Baby, were more advanced.

Americans were keeping it afloat, and even them gravitated towards Opels, Fords, Toyotas, Datsuns and all that jazz by the late 60s and early 70s.

However, I didn't say I wanted the car to be outdated.

Only that the hypothetical French car manufacturer would be based on an idea like Volkswagen.

Which was a crony soon-to-be-outdated compromise.

The only thing keeping it from being quickly outdated was WWII, and we certainly do not want another one.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

However, I didn't say I wanted the car to be outdated.

Only that the hypothetical French car manufacturer would be based on an idea like Volkswagen.

Which was a crony soon-to-be-outdated compromise.

The concept around an economy car is not however. Making my original point stand.

Make an electric economy car for the people of France. Gas price problem solved.

[Petrolheadia]

Which was a crony soon-to-be-outdated compromise.

The concept around an economy car is not however. Making my original point stand.

Make an electric economy car for the people of France. Gas price problem solved.

You wasn't talking about any economy car, but the soon-outdated crony scheme of Volkswagen.

Private enterprise has been investing into cheap electric cars for quite some time. Nobody's really hit the spot yet, because batteries cost a lot.

[Telconi]

Which was a crony soon-to-be-outdated compromise.

The concept around an economy car is not however. Making my original point stand.

Make an electric economy car for the people of France. Gas price problem solved.

If the opportunity existed for an economy electric car. someone would have jumped on it. Long story short, there's a reason electric cars are rare, expendive. and of limited use.

[Eilodon]

But hasn't that always happened? As an American, I can say with confidence that we are pretty retarded. Show some propaganda and advertising and we will do anything or be loyal and fight for anything. Whether it be fidget spinners or bloody glow up sneakers. Or vote for Republicans & Democrats.

Most countries would do that.

It's that in the US nobody bothered to really challenge the Beetle - until the Japanese did and gave it a beatdown (with American help).

Heh no arguements here. When it comes to the OG American company, Ford, they aren't even really that popular globally. And in America, they are just... There.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The concept around an economy car is not however. Making my original point stand.

Make an electric economy car for the people of France. Gas price problem solved.

You wasn't talking about any economy car, but the soon-outdated crony scheme of Volkswagen.

Private enterprise has been investing into cheap electric cars for quite some time. Nobody's really hit the spot yet, because batteries cost a lot.

No, I was talking about the concept around Volkswagen and implementing something like that into France.

Well maybe France could hit zed sweet spot?

[Eilodon]

Private enterprise has been investing into cheap electric cars for quite some time. Nobody's really hit the spot yet, because batteries cost a lot.

Im going out on a limb here, but I can see by your name your a grease monkey? Big car guy?

[Petrolheadia]

You wasn't talking about any economy car, but the soon-outdated crony scheme of Volkswagen.

Private enterprise has been investing into cheap electric cars for quite some time. Nobody's really hit the spot yet, because batteries cost a lot.

No, I was talking about the concept around Volkswagen and implementing something like that into France.

Well maybe France could hit zed sweet spot?

The VW success model involved cronyism, a tax drain, a war holding rival engineering back and Americans unaware of other import economy cars.

[The South Falls]

There are other ways to raise taxes. Tax the rich, as a partial solution. If the rich in France are not taxed enough already.

[Petrolheadia]

There are other ways to raise taxes. Tax the rich, as a partial solution. If the rich in France are not taxed enough already.

Why the classism?

[The South Falls]

There are other ways to raise taxes. Tax the rich, as a partial solution. If the rich in France are not taxed enough already.

Why the classism?

I mean, if France's taxes on the rich are low, start there. Just raise taxes period. It's less noticeable.

[Petrolheadia]

Why the classism?

I mean, if France's taxes on the rich are low, start there. Just raise taxes period. It's less noticeable.

Why do anything? And then why bias the system against a certain class?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

No, I was talking about the concept around Volkswagen and implementing something like that into France.

Well maybe France could hit zed sweet spot?

The VW success model involved cronyism, a tax drain, a war holding rival engineering back and Americans unaware of other import economy cars.

It would be a different market sense it would only be in France.

[Petrolheadia]

The VW success model involved cronyism, a tax drain, a war holding rival engineering back and Americans unaware of other import economy cars.

It would be a different market sense it would only be in France.

>tfw somebody thinks it wouldn't make the idea an even bigger tax drain

[Petrolheadia]

Private enterprise has been investing into cheap electric cars for quite some time. Nobody's really hit the spot yet, because batteries cost a lot.

Im going out on a limb here, but I can see by your name your a grease monkey? Big car guy?

Yes.

[New Lindale]

Oh France, we all knew it was going to collapse at some point.

[Kaggeceria]

Nuclear fusion isn't really going to solve the problem of people not being able to afford gas to go to work.


I don't see anything about what you're talking about in that article.

It would drive down electricity prices to the point where gas could become affordable again.

And how long do you suppose it would take for nuclear fusion to become viable?

It also ties into what I was saying about electric cars. If France could do something like Volkswagen but with electric cars, that would also solve the problem of gas prices.

I'd rather the French weren't duped into a too-good-to-be-true army funding fraud.

You missed the point.

TBF the initial Volkswagen scheme only worked because the government was subsidizing it heavily. Specifically with money stolen from people it was murdering...

You'd need another source of subsidy funds, preferably sans genocide.

I'd just tax the rich and get France's unemployed people a job making cheap electric cars for the middle class.

The rich already get taxed in France.