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by Cameroi » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:05 pm

by New haven america » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:05 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:New haven america wrote:Yes, we get it already, you're angry that you can't say "Fuck off Brown People!"
Boohoo, cry me a river~
1. Actually there was a man arrested for simply conveying a conservative view on immigration. I'm sorry that certain rights are completely alien to you. Boohoo to you.New haven america wrote:God, get new material, this shit's boring!
2. No, watching people getting triggered is boring.

by USS Monitor » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:05 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:USS Monitor wrote:The cost of college has gone up faster than inflation. That suggests colleges are not operating efficiently and there is a lot of waste. Addressing this should be the first priority to make college more accessible and affordable.
Government subsidies have not been effective at keeping costs manageable, and I worry that further government subsidization will just lead to more administrative bloat and more people sitting through classes that they don't really get much out of, just because the classes are there and college is expected.
I say cut out the useless majors, and see how much administrative bloat that cuts. I still don't believe that it should be government funded though, as it will most defiantly result in higher taxes.

by New haven america » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:07 pm

by USS Monitor » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:10 pm
New haven america wrote:USS Monitor wrote:Not sure how a conversation about whipping and caning children got in here, but that is not something schools should be doing.
We we're talking about who should earn more: K-12 teachers (Who can make less than $30k a year) or college professors (Who can easily earn over $100K). I said K-12 teacher because they're the ones responsible with taking care of and teaching younger kids (Who can be cruel, diminutive little creatures), in which that devolved into Das defending the idea that beating children is the best way to keep them in line and that I'm a spineless wuss for not agreeing (TBH, I have no idea where the latter part came from, because I never made my opinion on corporal punishment known until after he said that).
So yeah... Who do you think should earn more?

by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:12 pm
USS Monitor wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I say cut out the useless majors, and see how much administrative bloat that cuts. I still don't believe that it should be government funded though, as it will most defiantly result in higher taxes.
Administrative bloat is not typically tied to a specific major. If someone is teaching a course, that's not an administrative cost. I think you are taking your own cultural grievances and projecting them onto my post, even though it's not what I was talking about.

by Petrolheadia » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:14 pm
New haven america wrote:USS Monitor wrote:
But if I am living in Sweden or Canada, the only thing I'd be doing in the rest of the Schengen area is visiting -- which Canadians can do.
Yes, but it's cheaper to do in Sweden than in Canada.
Sweden lacks an entire ocean seperating it from the rest of Europe.
by Bombadil » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:18 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:USS Monitor wrote:
Administrative bloat is not typically tied to a specific major. If someone is teaching a course, that's not an administrative cost. I think you are taking your own cultural grievances and projecting them onto my post, even though it's not what I was talking about.
You're probably partially right, sorry. How do you propose cutting costs? There will always be a large amount of classes.

by New haven america » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:18 pm
USS Monitor wrote:New haven america wrote:We we're talking about who should earn more: K-12 teachers (Who can make less than $30k a year) or college professors (Who can easily earn over $100K). I said K-12 teacher because they're the ones responsible with taking care of and teaching younger kids (Who can be cruel, diminutive little creatures), in which that devolved into Das defending the idea that beating children is the best way to keep them in line and that I'm a spineless wuss for not agreeing (TBH, I have no idea where the latter part came from, because I never made my opinion on corporal punishment known until after he said that).
So yeah... Who do you think should earn more?
I don't think there should be a huge difference for the most part, though I could see paying more for the best college professors that have a truly exceptional knowledge of their field. K-12 have to deal with some special challenges managing unruly students, but college professors require a more extensive knowledge of the subjects they're teaching, which means they require a high level of training.

by New haven america » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:19 pm

by Nolo gap » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:24 pm

by LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:27 pm
Bombadil wrote:LiberNovusAmericae wrote:You're probably partially right, sorry. How do you propose cutting costs? There will always be a large amount of classes.
Fundamentally review what the role and purpose of education is anyway.. I mean I'd happily argue that geography, economics and history are essentially one subject - creating context of understanding.
I mean it's great I know how to use a plastic triangle thing for maths but apparently teaching me to run a business or manage my life is not in the domain of education. The history and format of education derives from what makes a learned gentleman eligible for a position of power and marriage, reserved mostly for the rich. That was transposed down into mass education, a means to occupy children in a mass factory economy.. and we've yet to evolve into modern requirements.
I mean.. even summer holidays are a layover from agricultural economies when children were needed for harvest time.
Oh for a magic wand..

by Petrolheadia » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:28 pm
Nolo gap wrote:a nation without an educated populus is on the third world express.
whatever people want is whatever people want,
just that short sighted greed has its very material world kharmic price.
today is the future you (all of us) created yesterday.
what you don't think about, is what you get.

by New haven america » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:32 pm

by USS Monitor » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:40 pm
New haven america wrote:USS Monitor wrote:
But if I am living in Sweden or Canada, the only thing I'd be doing in the rest of the Schengen area is visiting -- which Canadians can do.
Yes, but it's cheaper to do in Sweden than in Canada.
Sweden lacks an entire ocean seperating it from the rest of Europe.
by Bombadil » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:41 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:Bombadil wrote:
Fundamentally review what the role and purpose of education is anyway.. I mean I'd happily argue that geography, economics and history are essentially one subject - creating context of understanding.
I mean it's great I know how to use a plastic triangle thing for maths but apparently teaching me to run a business or manage my life is not in the domain of education. The history and format of education derives from what makes a learned gentleman eligible for a position of power and marriage, reserved mostly for the rich. That was transposed down into mass education, a means to occupy children in a mass factory economy.. and we've yet to evolve into modern requirements.
I mean.. even summer holidays are a layover from agricultural economies when children were needed for harvest time.
Oh for a magic wand..
I partially agree. Much of the setup of education is out of date to say the least.
by Bombadil » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:42 pm
USS Monitor wrote:New haven america wrote:Yes, but it's cheaper to do in Sweden than in Canada.
Sweden lacks an entire ocean seperating it from the rest of Europe.
And traveling within North America is cheaper to do from Canada. What's your point?
If we're deciding where to live based on the availability of cheap travel opportunities, I want to live in South America or Asia. But that is getting into personal preferences that have nothing to do with the economic or social stability of society.
This has really drifted away from the topic of the quality of life within Sweden or Canada.

by USS Monitor » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:44 pm
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:USS Monitor wrote:
Administrative bloat is not typically tied to a specific major. If someone is teaching a course, that's not an administrative cost. I think you are taking your own cultural grievances and projecting them onto my post, even though it's not what I was talking about.
You're probably partially right, sorry. How do you propose cutting costs? There will always be a large amount of classes.

by Dumb Ideologies » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:50 pm

by USS Monitor » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:53 pm

by Fostoria » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:55 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:It will always be a more worthy use of public money to support the welfare of working people, families, and those teetering on poverty's edge, than it will be to throw money down the black hole of offering every mediocre Malcolm and Mandy a free course in Lesbian Dance Theory. Not everyone requires or is suited for a college education. It's not in the community interest. Where the economy has specific needs and skills shortages, offer grants and scholarships to those who have demonstrated some level of potential. Be specific and targeted.

by Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:58 pm

by Das Redner » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:00 am
Fostoria wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:It will always be a more worthy use of public money to support the welfare of working people, families, and those teetering on poverty's edge, than it will be to throw money down the black hole of offering every mediocre Malcolm and Mandy a free course in Lesbian Dance Theory. Not everyone requires or is suited for a college education. It's not in the community interest. Where the economy has specific needs and skills shortages, offer grants and scholarships to those who have demonstrated some level of potential. Be specific and targeted.
This to the fullest degree. The government should take steps to make sure college is reasonably affordable, but free college for everyone (paid for by working peoples' tax money) is going too far

by New haven america » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:04 am

by LiberNovusAmericae » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:13 am
New haven america wrote:USS Monitor wrote:
Which are entirely subjective.
I kind of hate the idea that "quality of life" is quantifiable in the first place, but especially when you're comparing two developed countries.
It's totally quantifiable.
For example, if you have to go to the hospital in Sweden and you don't have health insurance... well, that's not a thing that happens, because everyone has health insurance because it's considered a right and all of your costs will be covered. Meanwhile in the US, if you have to go to the hospital and you don't have health insurance you can either let the problem fester and possibly die because you can't afford treatment, or wish you were dead because you went to the hospital and saw your medical bill which can easily cost more than a house.
Which system seems better?
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