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Should college be completely free in America for students?

Yes.
58
49%
No.
34
29%
We need to find a “median”.
26
22%
 
Total votes : 118

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Mystic Warriors
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Postby Mystic Warriors » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:29 pm

New haven america wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

Fuck.


Well, I dont want to pay anymore taxes as that would hurt people already living paycheck to paycheck

People living paycheck to paycheck usually don't have to pay taxes.

<---Sourced: Lived paycheck to paycheck most of my life.



So am I. I still pay taxes. Paycheck to paycheck just means after Bill's and debts you shit for change.
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Das Redner
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Postby Das Redner » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:31 pm

New haven america wrote:
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I see you lack a spine. Every heard of “spare the rod, spoil the child”?
A leather strap or a strong hand on the backside can break the brattiest child’s rebellious spirit.

Thank you for continually proving you don't know jack shit about kids, it's truly entertaining to see your ignorance brought to the public.

Or did your parents hit you and now you believe that that's how kids should be raised? Because you aren't the best example to be used.


Mein Got, a good thrashing does good for a rebellious spirit. I am a respectable American citizens who understands authority and abides laws and regulation. I was whipped as a boy yes, but only when I disrespected authority and grew rebellious. Whippings taught me the concept of consequences. It taught me to understand. It did not traumatize me.
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Das Redner
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Postby Das Redner » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:32 pm

But let us not digress. Back to the issue of the OP.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:33 pm

Das Redner wrote:
New haven america wrote:Thank you for continually proving you don't know jack shit about kids, it's truly entertaining to see your ignorance brought to the public.

Or did your parents hit you and now you believe that that's how kids should be raised? Because you aren't the best example to be used.


Mein Got, a good thrashing does good for a rebellious spirit. I am a respectable American citizens who understands authority and abides laws and regulation. I was whipped as a boy yes, but only when I disrespected authority and grew rebellious. Whippings taught me the concept of consequences. It taught me to understand. It did not traumatize me.
I’m surprised you still live as bloody as your heart is.

Your parents fucked up is what they did.
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Postby Das Redner » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:35 pm

New haven america wrote:
Das Redner wrote:
Mein Got, a good thrashing does good for a rebellious spirit. I am a respectable American citizens who understands authority and abides laws and regulation. I was whipped as a boy yes, but only when I disrespected authority and grew rebellious. Whippings taught me the concept of consequences. It taught me to understand. It did not traumatize me.
I’m surprised you still live as bloody as your heart is.

Your parents fucked up is what they did.


Back to the issue at hand.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:41 pm

wouldn't taxes have to be really really high to finance something like this?

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Das Redner
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Postby Das Redner » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:43 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:wouldn't taxes have to be really really high to finance something like this?


Exactly.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:48 pm

Das Redner wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:wouldn't taxes have to be really really high to finance something like this?


Exactly.

Sweden seems to be doing just fine.
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Postby Right wing humour squad » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:33 pm

No.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:34 pm

Kowani wrote:
Das Redner wrote:
Exactly.

Sweden seems to be doing just fine.


Aren’t taxes and cost of living (relative to earning power) really bad?

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LiberNovusAmericae
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:37 pm

With grievance studies and SJW influenced fake majors all the range, I say no to public college funding.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:40 pm

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Kowani wrote:Sweden seems to be doing just fine.


Aren’t taxes and cost of living (relative to earning power) really bad?

Taxes yes, but quality of life in Sweden is so far past that of America and Canada it's almost comical how far back we are socially and technologically.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:45 pm

New haven america wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Aren’t taxes and cost of living (relative to earning power) really bad?

Taxes yes, but quality of life in Sweden is so far past that of America and Canada it's almost comical how far back we are socially and technologically.

I would hardly declare their free speech restrictions social improvement.

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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:46 pm

The cost of college has gone up faster than inflation. That suggests colleges are not operating efficiently and there is a lot of waste. Addressing this should be the first priority to make college more accessible and affordable.

Government subsidies have not been effective at keeping costs manageable, and I worry that further government subsidization will just lead to more administrative bloat and more people sitting through classes that they don't really get much out of, just because the classes are there and college is expected.
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:47 pm

New haven america wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Aren’t taxes and cost of living (relative to earning power) really bad?

Taxes yes, but quality of life in Sweden is so far past that of America and Canada it's almost comical how far back we are socially and technologically.


Would rather live in Canada than Sweden.
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Postby Bombadil » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:49 pm

Das Redner wrote:
New haven america wrote:Thank you for continually proving you don't know jack shit about kids, it's truly entertaining to see your ignorance brought to the public.

Or did your parents hit you and now you believe that that's how kids should be raised? Because you aren't the best example to be used.


Mein Got, a good thrashing does good for a rebellious spirit. I am a respectable American citizens who understands authority and abides laws and regulation. I was whipped as a boy yes, but only when I disrespected authority and grew rebellious. Whippings taught me the concept of consequences. It taught me to understand. It did not traumatize me.
I’m surprised you still live as bloody as your heart is.


Actually consequences are kind of important in children's education, there's the experiment of seeing how kids understand delayed gratification in terms of rewards that show those kids who understand consequences better tend to achieve better outcomes in life.

However beating a child doesn't really work at all other than teach a child how to hide better as opposed to dealing with the issue.

I was caned at school, in no way did it teach me not to do things against the rules but be better at getting away with doing things against the rules. Not the society we really want to develop.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:50 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
New haven america wrote:Taxes yes, but quality of life in Sweden is so far past that of America and Canada it's almost comical how far back we are socially and technologically.


Would rather live in Canada than Sweden.

Sweden gets you access to the entire Schengen Area, Canada does not.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:50 pm

USS Monitor wrote:The cost of college has gone up faster than inflation. That suggests colleges are not operating efficiently and there is a lot of waste. Addressing this should be the first priority to make college more accessible and affordable.

Government subsidies have not been effective at keeping costs manageable, and I worry that further government subsidization will just lead to more administrative bloat and more people sitting through classes that they don't really get much out of, just because the classes are there and college is expected.

I say cut out the useless majors, and see how much administrative bloat that cuts. I still don't believe that it should be government funded though, as it will most defiantly result in higher taxes.

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Postby New haven america » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:51 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:
New haven america wrote:Taxes yes, but quality of life in Sweden is so far past that of America and Canada it's almost comical how far back we are socially and technologically.

I would hardly declare their free speech restrictions social improvement.

Yes, we get it already, you're angry that you can't say "Fuck off Brown People!" Boohoo, cry me a river~

God, get new material, this shit's boring!
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:53 pm

Not sure how a conversation about whipping and caning children got in here, but that is not something schools should be doing.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:55 pm

New haven america wrote:
LiberNovusAmericae wrote:I would hardly declare their free speech restrictions social improvement.

Yes, we get it already, you're angry that you can't say "Fuck off Brown People!"

Boohoo, cry me a river~

Actually there was a man arrested for simply conveying a conservative view on immigration. I'm sorry that certain rights are completely alien to you. Boohoo to you.
New haven america wrote:God, get new material, this shit's boring!

No, watching people getting triggered is boring. Cry me a river, you little commie.
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:55 pm

New haven america wrote:
USS Monitor wrote:
Would rather live in Canada than Sweden.

Sweden gets you access to the entire Schengen Area, Canada does not.


But if I am living in Sweden or Canada, the only thing I'd be doing in the rest of the Schengen area is visiting -- which Canadians can do.
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:00 pm

New haven america wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
Aren’t taxes and cost of living (relative to earning power) really bad?

Taxes yes, but quality of life in Sweden is so far past that of America and Canada it's almost comical how far back we are socially and technologically.


Well I like their work life balance policies (NA is a sweatshop region by comparison)

I’m willing to take less income for that; free time is priceless

Don’t know about the taxes and the high costs of living though

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:02 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
New haven america wrote:Taxes yes, but quality of life in Sweden is so far past that of America and Canada it's almost comical how far back we are socially and technologically.


Would rather live in Canada than Sweden.


They’re both frozen hells near winter though :(

It makes me sad that I might soon get “exiled” to Montreal myself

My luck in the Far East is fast running out

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Postby New haven america » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:02 pm

USS Monitor wrote:Not sure how a conversation about whipping and caning children got in here, but that is not something schools should be doing.

We we're talking about who should earn more: K-12 teachers (Who can make less than $30k a year) or college professors (Who can easily earn over $100K). I said K-12 teacher because they're the ones responsible with taking care of and teaching younger kids (Who can be cruel, diminutive little creatures), in which that devolved into Das defending the idea that beating children is the best way to keep them in line and that I'm a spineless wuss for not agreeing (TBH, I have no idea where the latter part came from, because I never made my opinion on corporal punishment known until after he said that), and that they were beaten and turned out just fine.

So yeah... Who do you think should earn more?
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