Gibraltar and Brexit Thread

[Kowani]

The UK should work out an arrangement with Catalan

Support Andalusian independence. Move Spain a few hundred miles from the Gibraltar border.

If Catalonia and the Basques get our independence, Andalusia is next on the list. Seriously, they’ve got the 3rd largest independence movement in the country.

[Telconi]

Support Andalusian independence. Move Spain a few hundred miles from the Gibraltar border.

If Catalonia and the Basques get our independence, Andalusia is next on the list. Seriously, they’ve got the 3rd largest independence movement in the country.

Spanish Balkanization when?

[Thermodolia]

I find this all hypocritical, especially when Spain still controls Ceuta and Mellia.

I mean, Spain already has customs control over those territories. The actual problem is they now have to put customs and toll gates against Gibraltar and Britain didn't even bother including them in the talks and simply demanded that an EU external border to be installed against the exclave. Needless to say this is going to cause massive issues for people living and working across the border. Considering this I think it's honestly reasonable for Madrid to ask that the Gibraltar issue is included in the overall discussions.

They already have border gates between the two. The UK isn’t apart of the Schengen Area

[Kowani]

If Catalonia and the Basques get our independence, Andalusia is next on the list. Seriously, they’ve got the 3rd largest independence movement in the country.

Spanish Balkanization when?

Nah, nowhere else has independence movements with enough recognition for leaving to even be a possibility. Except maybe the Canaries. Nobody really understands the Canaries.

[The South Falls]

If Catalonia and the Basques get our independence, Andalusia is next on the list. Seriously, they’ve got the 3rd largest independence movement in the country.

Spanish Balkanization when?

Russo-esque takeover when?

[Ifreann]

See, the EU has laws and stuff, and Spain gets to vote on them, and all but one of their neighbours are also in the EU so, you know, Spain kinda does get to decide how neighbouring countries are run.

Not the UK, as indicated by Brexit. And since the UK is the country in question, they can just deal with their border checkpoints.

The UK's still in the EU. They won't actually leave until next year.

[Izaakia]

Support Andalusian independence. Move Spain a few hundred miles from the Gibraltar border.

If Catalonia and the Basques get our independence, Andalusia is next on the list. Seriously, they’ve got the 3rd largest independence movement in the country.

You’ve got my support

[Telconi]

Not the UK, as indicated by Brexit. And since the UK is the country in question, they can just deal with their border checkpoints.

The UK's still in the EU. They won't actually leave until next year.

And what functional reason do they have to obey Spain's wishes before then?

[Thermodolia]

Not the UK, as indicated by Brexit. And since the UK is the country in question, they can just deal with their border checkpoints.

The UK's still in the EU. They won't actually leave until next year.

All of this talk about a border checkpoint doesn’t really matter because one already exists. Gibraltar isn’t apart of the Schengen Area so there’s already a border checkpoint

[Izaakia]

The UK's still in the EU. They won't actually leave until next year.

All of this talk about a border checkpoint doesn’t really matter because one already exists. Gibraltar isn’t apart of the Schengen Area so there’s already a border checkpoint

And I’ve been to Spain, their border checks are a bored chap waving people through, barely looking at the passports. I’m sure we needn’t be concerned.

[Telconi]

All of this talk about a border checkpoint doesn’t really matter because one already exists. Gibraltar isn’t apart of the Schengen Area so there’s already a border checkpoint

And I’ve been to Spain, their border checks are a bored chap waving people through, barely looking at the passports. I’m sure we needn’t be concerned.

which is more an issue with Spain than Gibraltar...

[Trumptonium1]

It's not an empty threat, and need not necessarily be a purely conventional war. It's about your own citizens, not just some rock with trees on it.

Yes it is, considering the very limited capability of the British military and the fact it is unable to conduct operations of that scale over the distances required. Also Spain is in NATO so you would be declaring war on the US.

Then it's Samson time.

[Kowani]

And I’ve been to Spain, their border checks are a bored chap waving people through, barely looking at the passports. I’m sure we needn’t be concerned.

which is more an issue with Spain than Gibraltar...

It's not our fault our government sucks... 'Cause every party is crap.

[Eduriania]

I love the conversation going on here guys, thanks!

http://time.com/5462569/brexit-deal-spain-support-gibraltar-terms/

It seems the UK has got Spain's support after agreeing to discussed terms on Gibraltar. Spain was promised that they will be included in future discussions regarding the territory Gibraltar.

[SD_Film Artists]

It is silly, but that didn't stop the Falklands war from happening. As for Gibraltar itself there have been warning shots but fortunately neither side have been stupid enough to escalate from that.

Sure a war is theoretically possible. But not remotely probable unless the entire political environment drastically changes, NATO and the world economy collapses and rogue dictators take over one or both countries involved.

Of course.

The UK should work out an arrangement with Catalan

I love the smell of geopolitical trolling in the morning. It's just a shame that Catalonia's independence movement doesn't seem to have half the motivation as other movements like the SNP. As a unionist I don't support the SNP, but I do respect Nicola Sturgeon's view on the Catalonia vote when she said- "If the Catalonian vote wasn't legal [according to Spain] then that only begs the question; what vote is legal? You cannot call yourself a democracy while denying people the right to vote."

[Kowani]

Sure a war is theoretically possible. But not remotely probable unless the entire political environment drastically changes, NATO and the world economy collapses and rogue dictators take over one or both countries involved.

Of course.

The UK should work out an arrangement with Catalan

I love the smell of geopolitical trolling in the morning. It's just a shame that Catalonia's independence movement doesn't seem to have half the motivation as other movements like the SNP. As a unionist I don't support the SNP, but I do respect Nicola Sturgeon's view on the Catalonia vote when she said- "If the Catalonian vote wasn't legal [according to Spain] then that only begs the question; what vote is legal? You cannot call yourself a democracy while denying people the right to vote."

That's the thing...no vote would be legal under the Constitution, because the Constitution doesn't allow for Independence because it doesn't allow for the right to self-determination.

[Novus America]

Yes it is, considering the very limited capability of the British military and the fact it is unable to conduct operations of that scale over the distances required. Also Spain is in NATO so you would be declaring war on the US.

Then it's Samson time.

Unless London is under siege or something I seriously doubt the UK is interested in committing murder suicide.

Also given the US built the Tridents, hoping the US has no back door code built in.

[Dooom35796821595]

Then it's Samson time.

Unless London is under siege or something I seriously doubt the UK is interested in committing murder suicide.

Also given the US built the Tridents, hoping the US has no back door code built in.

It’s highly unlikely. Imagine if there was, and that info got into the news...no one would buy an American system ever again. And the UK wouldn’t be very happy, nor would anyone who bought an F-35.

[SD_Film Artists]

Of course.



I love the smell of geopolitical trolling in the morning. It's just a shame that Catalonia's independence movement doesn't seem to have half the motivation as other movements like the SNP. As a unionist I don't support the SNP, but I do respect Nicola Sturgeon's view on the Catalonia vote when she said- "If the Catalonian vote wasn't legal [according to Spain] then that only begs the question; what vote is legal? You cannot call yourself a democracy while denying people the right to vote."

That's the thing...no vote would be legal under the Constitution, because the Constitution doesn't allow for Independence because it doesn't allow for the right to self-determination.

Yup

[Trumptonium1]

Then it's Samson time.

Unless London is under siege or something I seriously doubt the UK is interested in committing murder suicide.

Also given the US built the Tridents, hoping the US has no back door code built in.

Good luck continuing your hundred-billion dollar defense export industry if you think you'll be able to disable weapons systems with no repercussions.

That's the F35 program bankrupt then without its tiered supporters.

[Ifreann]

The UK's still in the EU. They won't actually leave until next year.

And what functional reason do they have to obey Spain's wishes before then?

They're negotiating with the EU to try and get a favourable relationship when they leave. And Spain is part of the EU. And the nature of agreements is that you need the other party to agree.

Ye fucking gods....

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The UK's still in the EU. They won't actually leave until next year.

All of this talk about a border checkpoint doesn’t really matter because one already exists. Gibraltar isn’t apart of the Schengen Area so there’s already a border checkpoint

But it is part of the EU, so there's no customs inspections or requirements for a work visa.