Gibraltar and Brexit Thread

[Agarntrop]

I find this all hypocritical, especially when Spain still controls Ceuta and Mellia.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I find this all hypocritical, especially when Spain still controls Ceuta and Mellia.

I mean, Spain already has customs control over those territories. The actual problem is they now have to put customs and toll gates against Gibraltar and Britain didn't even bother including them in the talks and simply demanded that an EU external border to be installed against the exclave. Needless to say this is going to cause massive issues for people living and working across the border. Considering this I think it's honestly reasonable for Madrid to ask that the Gibraltar issue is included in the overall discussions.

[Aellex]

But what if they don't want to be returned?

The Spanish will forcibly deport them all to make room for loyal Spanish families.

/s.

Why the /s tho? :^)

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Now, hear me out...

How 'bout the UK transfers Gibraltar to Morocco just to pull an ultimate troll on Spain?

[Valrifell]

Now, hear me out...

How 'bout the UK transfers Gibraltar to Morocco just to pull an ultimate troll on Spain?

Just like they should've given Hong Kong to Taiwan.

[Trumptonium1]

Shame we don't have a proper ballsy Prime Minister who can come on TV and say "Come and get it" with a wry smile at the end.

Have an aircraft carrier or two pay a visit to the Med and promise to triple Gibraltar in size if people dont respect the sovereignty of those within it.

[Novus America]

Shame we don't have a proper ballsy Prime Minister who can come on TV and say "Come and get it" with a wry smile at the end.

Have an aircraft carrier or two pay a visit to the Med and promise to triple Gibraltar in size if people dont respect the sovereignty of those within it.

Well considering the UK does not have two aircraft carriers, the two part is out of the question .
And the one it does have is not combat ready yet.

Also this would uncessarily antagonize the EU, in addition to being an empty threat (the UK does not have the manpower and logistics needed to support such an operation.

[Trumptonium1]

Shame we don't have a proper ballsy Prime Minister who can come on TV and say "Come and get it" with a wry smile at the end.

Have an aircraft carrier or two pay a visit to the Med and promise to triple Gibraltar in size if people dont respect the sovereignty of those within it.

Well considering the UK does not have two aircraft carriers, the two part is out of the question .
And the one it does have is not combat ready yet.

Also this would uncessarily antagonize the EU, in addition to being an empty threat (the UK does not have the manpower and logistics needed to support such an operation.

It's not an empty threat, and need not necessarily be a purely conventional war. It's about your own citizens, not just some rock with trees on it.

[Ifreann]

Spain's in NATO, aren't they? Just trying to gauge the level of madness of the "We'll just invade Spain, lol" bantz.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Spain's in NATO, aren't they? Just trying to gauge the level of madness of the "We'll just invade Spain, lol" bantz.

And all this over the plain refusal to deal with the fact that there's going to be a hard EU external border across a peninsula the size of nothing that Spain doesn't want.

[Novus America]

Well considering the UK does not have two aircraft carriers, the two part is out of the question .
And the one it does have is not combat ready yet.

Also this would uncessarily antagonize the EU, in addition to being an empty threat (the UK does not have the manpower and logistics needed to support such an operation.

It's not an empty threat, and need not necessarily be a purely conventional war. It's about your own citizens, not just some rock with trees on it.

Yes it is, considering the very limited capability of the British military and the fact it is unable to conduct operations of that scale over the distances required. Also Spain is in NATO so you would be declaring war on the US.

[Novus America]

Spain's in NATO, aren't they? Just trying to gauge the level of madness of the "We'll just invade Spain, lol" bantz.

Yeah, that too. It would be completely insane and the UK would be curbed stomped.
Thankfully the UK would never of course even consider randomly attacking basically all of its allies.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Spain's in NATO, aren't they? Just trying to gauge the level of madness of the "We'll just invade Spain, lol" bantz.

Yeah, that too. It would be completely insane and the UK would be curbed stomped.
Thankfully the UK would never of course even consider randomly attacking basically all of its allies.

It'd be the most pointless act of insanity ever. Over a tinyass peninsula and its denizens who doesn't look forward to going through customs and toll gates with their toilet paper and daily groceries.

[SD_Film Artists]

It's not an empty threat, and need not necessarily be a purely conventional war. It's about your own citizens, not just some rock with trees on it.

Also Spain is in NATO so you would be declaring war on the US.

Implying that Britain fires the first shot. Even then, I'm not certain that NATO would go to war against itself. More likely they'd try to mediate peace talks while standing on the sidelines.

[Novus America]

Also Spain is in NATO so you would be declaring war on the US.

Implying that Britain fires the first shot. Even then, I'm not certain that NATO would go to war against itself. More likely they'd try to mediate peace talks while standing on the sidelines.

Obviously it would be equally insane for Spain to attack Gibraltar.
And at the very least the aggressor would be crushed with economic sanctions. Probably expelled from NATO as well.

Of course this whole thing is silly. Nobody is going to fight over it.

[SD_Film Artists]

Implying that Britain fires the first shot. Even then, I'm not certain that NATO would go to war against itself. More likely they'd try to mediate peace talks while standing on the sidelines.

Obviously it would be equally insane for Spain to attack Gibraltar.
And at the very least the aggressor would be crushed with economic sanctions. Probably expelled from NATO as well.

Of course this whole thing is silly. Nobody is going to fight over it.

It is silly, but that didn't stop the Falklands war from happening. As for Gibraltar itself there have been warning shots but fortunately neither side have been stupid enough to escalate from that.

[Izaakia]

Obviously it would be equally insane for Spain to attack Gibraltar.
And at the very least the aggressor would be crushed with economic sanctions. Probably expelled from NATO as well.

Of course this whole thing is silly. Nobody is going to fight over it.

It is silly, but that didn't stop the Falklands war from happening. As for Gibraltar itself there have been warning shots but fortunately neither side have been stupid enough to escalate from that.

Falklands happened because they were left unprotected and the Argentinians assumed we wouldn’t be too bothered. But since the falklands war, I think our position is pretty clear, so nobody is gonna attempt to take territory form us anytime soon.

[Novus America]

Obviously it would be equally insane for Spain to attack Gibraltar.
And at the very least the aggressor would be crushed with economic sanctions. Probably expelled from NATO as well.

Of course this whole thing is silly. Nobody is going to fight over it.

It is silly, but that didn't stop the Falklands war from happening. As for Gibraltar itself there have been warning shots but fortunately neither side have been stupid enough to escalate from that.

Well Argentina was ruled by a crazy dictator at the time, and thought the UK would just surrender.
Also the Falklands are not protected by NATO.
And neither was Argentina.

The Gibraltar situation is completely different.

Sure a war is theoretically possible. But not remotely probable unless the entire political environment drastically changes, NATO and the world economy collapses and rogue dictators take over one or both countries involved.

[Telconi]

Spain's in NATO, aren't they? Just trying to gauge the level of madness of the "We'll just invade Spain, lol" bantz.

And all this over the plain refusal to deal with the fact that there's going to be a hard EU external border across a peninsula the size of nothing that Spain doesn't want.

Who cares, Spain doesn't get to decide how neighboring countries are ran.

[Ifreann]

And all this over the plain refusal to deal with the fact that there's going to be a hard EU external border across a peninsula the size of nothing that Spain doesn't want.

Who cares, Spain doesn't get to decide how neighboring countries are ran.

You should look up this new "EU" thing that's going on in Europe.

[Telconi]

Who cares, Spain doesn't get to decide how neighboring countries are ran.

You should look up this new "EU" thing that's going on in Europe.

You should look up how to reasonably communicate arguments.

[Pope Joan]

The UK should work out an arrangement with Catalan

[Ifreann]

You should look up this new "EU" thing that's going on in Europe.

You should look up how to reasonably communicate arguments.

See, the EU has laws and stuff, and Spain gets to vote on them, and all but one of their neighbours are also in the EU so, you know, Spain kinda does get to decide how neighbouring countries are run.

[Izaakia]

The UK should work out an arrangement with Catalan

Support Andalusian independence. Move Spain a few hundred miles from the Gibraltar border.

[Telconi]

You should look up how to reasonably communicate arguments.

See, the EU has laws and stuff, and Spain gets to vote on them, and all but one of their neighbours are also in the EU so, you know, Spain kinda does get to decide how neighbouring countries are run.

Not the UK, as indicated by Brexit. And since the UK is the country in question, they can just deal with their border checkpoints.