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Postby Mystic Warriors » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:07 pm

Salus Maior wrote:Unfortunate.



Not really. He knew the rules. He knew the risks, you knew what might happen.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:41 pm

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Genivaria wrote:And they chased him off multiple times, he's an idiot.


They just hadn't felt the love yet, it was incumbent on him to keep trying.


By yelling stuff in a language he knew they could not understand, carrying a tome they could not read, having a scary skincolour and being full of deadly diseases....

They killed a demon. Good for them. In their place I would have killed him the first time and would not have allowed him to return 4 or 5 times.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:46 pm

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Andsed wrote:TBH the dude was kind of stupid I mean you would think after the first four or five times he would get the message that the natives don't want him there.


He wasn't stupid, he was motivated by the urge to share the love of Jesus.

He makes Jesus sound like Nurgle.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:51 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
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He wasn't stupid, he was motivated by the urge to share the love of Jesus.

He makes Jesus sound like Nurgle.

If anything, Jesus would be more like Tzeench. Trick them into following you of their own will? Yeah, that's something Tzeench would do.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:52 pm

Mystic Warriors wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:Unfortunate.



Not really. He knew the rules. He knew the risks, you knew what might happen.

That doesn't really make it not unfortunate.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:53 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

Not really. He knew the rules. He knew the risks, you knew what might happen.

That doesn't really make it not unfortunate.

It's unfortunate that people this stupid are allowed this level of autonomy.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Nov 22, 2018 9:55 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:I hate to sound rude but I have no sympathy for the dude. As much as I would love to learn about them the Sentinelese want to be left alone and it's law that you can't go near the island. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Yep, that's my opinion of this matter. He went to a forbidden place, learned why it's forbidden with his dying breath. Don't expect any different near Area 51.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:00 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:I hate to sound rude but I have no sympathy for the dude. As much as I would love to learn about them the Sentinelese want to be left alone and it's law that you can't go near the island. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Yep, that's my opinion of this matter. He went to a forbidden place, learned why it's forbidden with his dying breath. Don't expect any different near Area 51.

There are no aliens in Area 51, otherwise Donnie would have blabbed about them already.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:05 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Mystic Warriors wrote:

Not really. He knew the rules. He knew the risks, you knew what might happen.

That doesn't really make it not unfortunate.


Does it not make it fortunate ? He did not manage to infect them all and the world is rid of a criminal.
Sounds like a win/win.
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:31 pm

Lmao imagine thinking his crime is worthy of death.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:35 pm

Napkiraly wrote:Lmao imagine thinking his crime is worthy of death.


Attempted genocide certainly is, yes.
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:37 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Lmao imagine thinking his crime is worthy of death.


Attempted genocide certainly is, yes.

I take back the Lmao from my previous post.


LMAO at actually thinking what he did was an attempt at genocide.
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Postby Neutraligon » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:40 pm

Napkiraly wrote:Lmao imagine thinking his crime is worthy of death.

I was going to say not what people are saying. Not wearing a seat belt is a crime in much of the US, yet people die as a result of not wearing a seat belt, and unless they are children, I feel no sympathy for them, since they decided to take the gamble. That does not mean that the crime of not wearing a seatbelt is worthy of death.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:43 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Attempted genocide certainly is, yes.

I take back the Lmao from my previous post.


LMAO at actually thinking what he did was an attempt at genocide.

Spreading disease to a tribe with no apparent immunity isn't a slap on the wrist by any means.
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:50 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:I take back the Lmao from my previous post.


LMAO at actually thinking what he did was an attempt at genocide.

Spreading disease to a tribe with no apparent immunity isn't a slap on the wrist by any means.

Yes it was stupid, but then we don't really know what kind of precautions he took when he was on the island. For all we know he was reasonably careful in trying to limit direct and close air contact with them. Any first contact is going to be fraught with the potential to spread disease, and yes, ideally it would be done under far better controlled conditions but that does not make his actions attempted genocide. Worth noting that genocide also requires intent and I highly doubt his intent was to kill them all (assuming they did get sick).

But whatever, when the sea levels rise and the cyclones hit we can pat ourselves on the back when they've all drowned to death because this guy got plugged full of arrows.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:54 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Spreading disease to a tribe with no apparent immunity isn't a slap on the wrist by any means.

Yes stupid, but then we don't really know what kind of precautions he took when he was on the island.


Yes we do. He has provided us with detailed descriptions of his doings of the times they chased him of the island without killing him.
He did NOTHING to prevent spread of disease.
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Postby The Canadian Confederacy of Provinces » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:54 pm

Thats what you get when you visit the worlds most violently isolationist primitive tribe.
They are world renown for the pictures taken by Indonesian authorities who sent a helicopter to check on their welfare after the earthquake & tsunami.
The pictures show them attacking the helicopter, however ineffectually.

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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Nov 22, 2018 10:57 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Yes stupid, but then we don't really know what kind of precautions he took when he was on the island.


Yes we do. He has provided us with detailed descriptions of his doings of the times they chased him of the island without killing him.
He did NOTHING to prevent spread of disease.

Going to need some sauce for that.

Not to mention it still doesn't make it genocide lmao.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:01 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Yes stupid, but then we don't really know what kind of precautions he took when he was on the island.


Yes we do. He has provided us with detailed descriptions of his doings of the times they chased him of the island without killing him.
He did NOTHING to prevent spread of disease.

Genocide has official definitions, which all state that for genocide to occur you have to be out to purposefully kill a group of people because of their ethnicity or culture. It’s not genocide if people die due to exposure to a disease, by that logic the Black Plague was a genocide rather than an epidemic. Using the word “genocide” to describe things that are not genocide is the reason why nobody actually cares about or acknowledges true genocides.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:03 pm

Kowani wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:He makes Jesus sound like Nurgle.

If anything, Jesus would be more like Tzeench. Trick them into following you of their own will? Yeah, that's something Tzeench would do.

What, is Jesus going to mind-control them the moment he opens a Bible? Goodness.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:20 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Attempted genocide certainly is, yes.

I take back the Lmao from my previous post.


LMAO at actually thinking what he did was an attempt at genocide.

Not an attempt, but it was a "third-degree genocide".
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:29 pm

Luminesa wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Yes we do. He has provided us with detailed descriptions of his doings of the times they chased him of the island without killing him.
He did NOTHING to prevent spread of disease.

Genocide has official definitions, which all state that for genocide to occur you have to be out to purposefully kill a group of people because of their ethnicity or culture. It’s not genocide if people die due to exposure to a disease, by that logic the Black Plague was a genocide rather than an epidemic. Using the word “genocide” to describe things that are not genocide is the reason why nobody actually cares about or acknowledges true genocides.


A better comparison is the deliberate spread of infected blankets amongst the native american population by the settlers. Which is, in fact, a recognised genocide.

But you are right. While the actions of this man would probably have led to the complete extermination of this people,that *probably* was not his intent.
So not genocide but killing a population due to careless stupidity. I stand corrected.
The endresult however would have been the same: many dead people instead of 1.
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:34 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Genocide has official definitions, which all state that for genocide to occur you have to be out to purposefully kill a group of people because of their ethnicity or culture. It’s not genocide if people die due to exposure to a disease, by that logic the Black Plague was a genocide rather than an epidemic. Using the word “genocide” to describe things that are not genocide is the reason why nobody actually cares about or acknowledges true genocides.


A better comparison is the deliberate spread of infected blankets amongst the native american population by the settlers. Which is, in fact, a recognised genocide.

But you are right. While the actions of this man would probably have led to the complete extermination of this people,that *probably* was not his intent.
So not genocide but killing a population due to careless stupidity. I stand corrected.
The endresult however would have been the same: many dead people instead of 1.

This is 1) assuming that they would get sick 2) assuming that they would all die 3) assuming no one would come to help them
And it's not a better comparison since that case of giving the blankets infected with smallpox was deliberate. The aim was to spread smallpox. Mr. Chau wanted an adventure and perhaps in the process spread the word of God. That is not trying to kill them off with disease.

Nor does that mean that his death is still not something to regret having happened. But w/e I guess human life only has worth when it's in large enough numbers for some people.
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Nov 22, 2018 11:38 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:I have no tears to shed for a dumb criminal.

Out of all the responses carelessly deriding this man's death, however stupid he may have been, it is yours I am the most disappointed in. Looking down upon levels of disappointment.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:11 am

And this is why isolated tribes shouldn't be allowed to exist. Tribal sovereignty is always bad. They need to be civilized.
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