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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:33 pm

Napkiraly wrote:Turning reserves into states would effectively abolish them so w/e

I’m game
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:34 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Therm, New Haven, and South Falls were already discussing slavery before I got here.
For some reason it's an issue though when I respond to Amin like everyone else. :roll:

They brought it up to hit Kubumba with it.

I didn’t
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:35 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:They brought it up to hit Kubumba with it.

I didn’t

NHA did and then Geni dogpiled on because those two have like a tag-team harassment thing going with Kubumba. This isn't the first time they've started whole conversations just to bring up that he said something stupid.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:36 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Turning reserves into states would effectively abolish them so w/e

I’m game

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Postby New haven america » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:37 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Turning reserves into states would effectively abolish them so w/e

I’m game

Most don't want it though, most would rather just have better reserves.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:37 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Therm, New Haven, and South Falls were already discussing slavery before I got here.
For some reason it's an issue though when I respond to Amin like everyone else. :roll:

They brought it up to hit Kubumba with it.

It's ok, I deal with then all the time ;)
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Thermodolia wrote:I didn’t

NHA did and then Geni dogpiled on because those two have like a tag-team harassment thing going with Kubumba. This isn't the first time they've started whole conversations just to bring up that he said something stupid.

I ain't said nuthin stupid.
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Postby Andsed » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:37 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I didn’t

NHA did and then Geni dogpiled on because those two have like a tag-team harassment thing going with Kubumba. This isn't the first time they've started whole conversations just to bring up that he said something stupid.

OKAY WE GET IT Y,ALL DON"T LIKE EACH OTHER CAN WE PLEASE GET BACK ON TOPIC NOW!
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:37 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Turning reserves into states would effectively abolish them so w/e

I’m game

Never going to get support of the tribes though.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:38 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I didn’t

NHA did and then Geni dogpiled on because those two have like a tag-team harassment thing going with Kubumba. This isn't the first time they've started whole conversations just to bring up that he said something stupid.

because those two have like a tag-team harassment thing going with Kubumba

Oh please.
This isn't the first time they've started whole conversations just to bring up that he said something stupid

Now you're just outright lying.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:39 pm

Genivaria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:NHA did and then Geni dogpiled on because those two have like a tag-team harassment thing going with Kubumba. This isn't the first time they've started whole conversations just to bring up that he said something stupid.

because those two have like a tag-team harassment thing going with Kubumba

Oh please.
This isn't the first time they've started whole conversations just to bring up that he said something stupid

Now you're just outright lying.

Others have said the same thing.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:39 pm

Andsed wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:NHA did and then Geni dogpiled on because those two have like a tag-team harassment thing going with Kubumba. This isn't the first time they've started whole conversations just to bring up that he said something stupid.

OKAY WE GET IT Y,ALL DON"T LIKE EACH OTHER CAN WE PLEASE GET BACK ON TOPIC NOW!

I already am holy shit.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:42 pm

New haven america wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I’m game

Most don't want it though, most would rather just have better reserves.

The reserves relegate the natives to second class citizenship so no.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:43 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
New haven america wrote:Most don't want it though, most would rather just have better reserves.

The reserves relegate the natives to second class citizenship so no.

They weren't supposed to be Americans in the first place. The courts settled that, they are protectorate nations.
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:43 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The reserves relegate the natives to second class citizenship so no.

They weren't supposed to be Americans in the first place. The courts settled that, they are protectorate nations.

Yeah well the courts done fucked up so there is no reason to keep the status quo after that.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:44 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:The reserves relegate the natives to second class citizenship so no.

They weren't supposed to be Americans in the first place. The courts settled that, they are protectorate nations.

Not really. They aren’t really protectorate nations in practice. So in reality they are second class citizens
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:47 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:They weren't supposed to be Americans in the first place. The courts settled that, they are protectorate nations.

Not really. They aren’t really protectorate nations in practice. So in reality they are second class citizens

I mean it sounds too much like 'Separate But Equal' for my taste.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:50 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:They weren't supposed to be Americans in the first place. The courts settled that, they are protectorate nations.

Not really. They aren’t really protectorate nations in practice. So in reality they are second class citizens

They are protectorate nations, the Federal government is the only part of the United States that has authority over them, the states cannot interact with them, per Worcester V. Georgia.

"do not thereby cease to be sovereign and independent states so long as self-government and sovereign and independent authority are left in the administration of the state."

At the present day, more than one state may be considered as holding its right to self-government under the guarantee and protection of one or more allies.

The Cherokee nation, then, is a distinct community, occupying its own territory, with boundaries accurately described, in which the laws of Georgia can have no force, and which the citizens of Georgia have no right to enter but with the assent of the Cherokees themselves, or in conformity with treaties and with the acts of Congress. The whole intercourse between the United States and this nation is, by our Constitution and laws, vested in the Government of the United States.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:51 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:They weren't supposed to be Americans in the first place. The courts settled that, they are protectorate nations.

Not really. They aren’t really protectorate nations in practice.

Yes they are, by law they are, and the states they reside in don't get a say in the matter.
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Postby Italian Futurists » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:53 pm

They have nothing to offer, no new spiritual knowledge or valuable and unique culture they are basically cavemen and this murder gives a reason to fire bomb them
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Nov 22, 2018 7:58 pm

Italian Futurists wrote:They have nothing to offer, no new spiritual knowledge or valuable and unique culture they are basically cavemen and this murder gives a reason to fire bomb them

It's interesting how many new posters reveal that they support mass murder on this thread.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:00 pm

New haven america wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Not really. They aren’t really protectorate nations in practice.

Yes they are, by law they are, and the states they reside in don't get a say in the matter.

De jure sure. In reality they are shat on except for the ones who can have casinos or some Touristy thing to see.
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Postby New haven america » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:01 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Italian Futurists wrote:They have nothing to offer, no new spiritual knowledge or valuable and unique culture they are basically cavemen and this murder gives a reason to fire bomb them

It's interesting how many new posters reveal that they support mass murder on this thread.

Only for them to CTE or get Deat'ed within a month or 2...
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:02 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Not really. They aren’t really protectorate nations in practice. So in reality they are second class citizens

They are protectorate nations, the Federal government is the only part of the United States that has authority over them, the states cannot interact with them, per Worcester V. Georgia.

"do not thereby cease to be sovereign and independent states so long as self-government and sovereign and independent authority are left in the administration of the state."

At the present day, more than one state may be considered as holding its right to self-government under the guarantee and protection of one or more allies.

The Cherokee nation, then, is a distinct community, occupying its own territory, with boundaries accurately described, in which the laws of Georgia can have no force, and which the citizens of Georgia have no right to enter but with the assent of the Cherokees themselves, or in conformity with treaties and with the acts of Congress. The whole intercourse between the United States and this nation is, by our Constitution and laws, vested in the Government of the United States.

Who said anything about states? I sure didn’t. It still doesn’t negate the fact that in reality natives are shat on and are effectively second class citizens.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:41 pm

Unfortunate.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Nov 22, 2018 8:44 pm

Salus Maior wrote:Unfortunate.

^This
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