Missionary killed after trying to convert isolated tribe

[Chernoslavia]

Why? They live on an island. Just leave them alone and there is no problem.

It has always been one of, if not the life ambition to mine to be the conqueror of such a people. I hope to extract at least some loot or tribute in exchange for their freedom. There will never be another opportunity for anything similar to classic colonial imperialism to be done. If I don't take it, I'm sure someone else will.

So basically invade Indian territory and provoke a response from the Indian military and all you're getting is what? Stone arrows? Rocks? flint? There's nothing of value that these people can give you. Not to mention that one sneeze from you and the entire island dies within days.

I don't see why we can't just leave people the hell alone.

[The South Falls]

It has always been one of, if not the life ambition to mine to be the conqueror of such a people. I hope to extract at least some loot or tribute in exchange for their freedom. There will never be another opportunity for anything similar to classic colonial imperialism to be done. If I don't take it, I'm sure someone else will.

So basically invade Indian territory and provoke a response from the Indian military and all you're getting is what? Stone arrows? Rocks? flint? There's nothing of value that these people can give you. Not to mention that one sneeze from you and the entire island dies within days.

I don't see why we can't just leave people the hell alone.

Because of colonialism and the Leopold II-esque power trip one gets from practically owning a people.

[The Holy Therns]

It has always been one of, if not the life ambition to mine to be the conqueror of such a people. I hope to extract at least some loot or tribute in exchange for their freedom. There will never be another opportunity for anything similar to classic colonial imperialism to be done. If I don't take it, I'm sure someone else will.

So basically invade Indian territory and provoke a response from the Indian military and all you're getting is what? Stone arrows? Rocks? flint? There's nothing of value that these people can give you. Not to mention that one sneeze from you and the entire island dies within days.

I don't see why we can't just leave people the hell alone.

So that Saiwania gets to call himself a conqueror for a few minutes, after all.

[Andsed]

So basically invade Indian territory and provoke a response from the Indian military and all you're getting is what? Stone arrows? Rocks? flint? There's nothing of value that these people can give you. Not to mention that one sneeze from you and the entire island dies within days.

I don't see why we can't just leave people the hell alone.

Because of colonialism and the Leopold II-esque power trip one gets from practically owning a people.

Granted that power trip only last for a few days and ends with the Indian military storming the island and arresting you or the islanders all dying and then you getting arrested for crimes against humanity.

[Infected Mushroom]

It has always been one of, if not the life ambition to mine to be the conqueror of such a people. I hope to extract at least some loot or tribute in exchange for their freedom. There will never be another opportunity for anything similar to classic colonial imperialism to be done. If I don't take it, I'm sure someone else will.

So basically invade Indian territory and provoke a response from the Indian military and all you're getting is what? Stone arrows? Rocks? flint? There's nothing of value that these people can give you. Not to mention that one sneeze from you and the entire island dies within days.

I don't see why we can't just leave people the hell alone.

what if he conquers it in the name of India (not in the name of the USA)?

[Aggicificicerous]

It has always been one of, if not the life ambition to mine to be the conqueror of such a people. I hope to extract at least some loot or tribute in exchange for their freedom. There will never be another opportunity for anything similar to classic colonial imperialism to be done. If I don't take it, I'm sure someone else will.

So basically invade Indian territory and provoke a response from the Indian military and all you're getting is what? Stone arrows? Rocks? flint? There's nothing of value that these people can give you. Not to mention that one sneeze from you and the entire island dies within days.

I don't see why we can't just leave people the hell alone.

You're forgetting the most important commodity of all: the feeling of superiority over another person. Who cares if all these plans involve most of the Sentinelese dying? We get to teach the dirty savages about civilisation and morality. They're be able to appreciate how enlightened the outside world is when they're languishing in concentration camps for their own good.

[Chernoslavia]

So basically invade Indian territory and provoke a response from the Indian military and all you're getting is what? Stone arrows? Rocks? flint? There's nothing of value that these people can give you. Not to mention that one sneeze from you and the entire island dies within days.

I don't see why we can't just leave people the hell alone.

what if he conquers it in the name of India (not in the name of the USA)?

I'm pretty sure he'll still either a.) Get arrested by Indian authorities b.) Get killed by the tribesmen as trying to play god never ends well or c.) inadvertently kills off the whole island by exposing them to the common cold thus ending his 2 hour reign.

[The New California Republic]

So basically invade Indian territory and provoke a response from the Indian military and all you're getting is what? Stone arrows? Rocks? flint? There's nothing of value that these people can give you. Not to mention that one sneeze from you and the entire island dies within days.

I don't see why we can't just leave people the hell alone.

You're forgetting the most important commodity of all: the feeling of superiority over another person. Who cares if all these plans involve most of the Sentinelese dying? We get to teach the dirty savages about civilisation and morality. They're be able to appreciate how enlightened the outside world is when they're languishing in concentration camps for their own good.

[Caracasus]

So basically invade Indian territory and provoke a response from the Indian military and all you're getting is what? Stone arrows? Rocks? flint? There's nothing of value that these people can give you. Not to mention that one sneeze from you and the entire island dies within days.

I don't see why we can't just leave people the hell alone.

what if he conquers it in the name of India (not in the name of the USA)?

The judges would probably take a really dim view of it.

[Ifreann]

So basically invade Indian territory and provoke a response from the Indian military and all you're getting is what? Stone arrows? Rocks? flint? There's nothing of value that these people can give you. Not to mention that one sneeze from you and the entire island dies within days.

I don't see why we can't just leave people the hell alone.

what if he conquers it in the name of India (not in the name of the USA)?

They'd put him in prison for a very long time. In fact, far more likely is that he'd be arrested well before he set foot on North Sentinel, probably while trying to buy guns and hire mercenaries.

That'll be interesting. A news story starts doing the rounds of an American arrested in India planning an invasion of North Sentinel, and we all start to realise that it's been a while since Saiwania's been online.

[Andsed]

what if he conquers it in the name of India (not in the name of the USA)?

They'd put him in prison for a very long time. In fact, far more likely is that he'd be arrested well before he set foot on North Sentinel, probably while trying to buy guns and hire mercenaries.

That'll be interesting. A news story starts doing the rounds of an American arrested in India planning an invasion of North Sentinel, and we all start to realise that it's been a while since Saiwania's been online.

I can only imagine the discussion of that thread.

[Caracasus]

what if he conquers it in the name of India (not in the name of the USA)?

They'd put him in prison for a very long time. In fact, far more likely is that he'd be arrested well before he set foot on North Sentinel, probably while trying to buy guns and hire mercenaries.

That'll be interesting. A news story starts doing the rounds of an American arrested in India planning an invasion of North Sentinel, and we all start to realise that it's been a while since Saiwania's been online.

So basically like what Thatcher's spawn attempted?

[Andsed]

They'd put him in prison for a very long time. In fact, far more likely is that he'd be arrested well before he set foot on North Sentinel, probably while trying to buy guns and hire mercenaries.

That'll be interesting. A news story starts doing the rounds of an American arrested in India planning an invasion of North Sentinel, and we all start to realise that it's been a while since Saiwania's been online.

So basically like what Thatcher's spawn attempted?

Who's Thatcher's spawn?

[Caracasus]

So basically like what Thatcher's spawn attempted?

Who's Thatcher's spawn?

Mark Thatcher, son of Maggie Thatcher sponsored and was involved in an attempted coup.

[The South Falls]

Because of colonialism and the Leopold II-esque power trip one gets from practically owning a people.

Granted that power trip only last for a few days and ends with the Indian military storming the island and arresting you or the islanders all dying and then you getting arrested for crimes against humanity.

And then it's a "good luck to you", as you stand before Interpol.

[Andsed]

Who's Thatcher's spawn?

Mark Thatcher, son of Maggie Thatcher sponsored and was involved in an attempted coup.

Oh huh Thatcher's spawn seemed to me like it was a username of a former NS player who did something stupid. Still interesting.

Granted that power trip only last for a few days and ends with the Indian military storming the island and arresting you or the islanders all dying and then you getting arrested for crimes against humanity.

And then it's a "good luck to you", as you stand before Interpol.

Yeah your probably going to get a life sentence.

[The Huskar Social Union]

So basically invade Indian territory and provoke a response from the Indian military and all you're getting is what? Stone arrows? Rocks? flint? There's nothing of value that these people can give you. Not to mention that one sneeze from you and the entire island dies within days.

I don't see why we can't just leave people the hell alone.

So that Saiwania gets to call himself a conqueror for a few minutes, after all.

Before he ends up like the missionary because that is what is going to happen if he even makes it there.

[Luna Amore]

So that Saiwania gets to call himself a conqueror for a few minutes, after all.

Before he ends up like the missionary because that is what is going to happen if he even makes it there.

I mean, the missionary went in peace. A well armed person with malicious intent would probably fair a lot better.

[Cetacea]

Personally, I think the Sentinelese just need to embrace diversity. It is, after all, the current year and the murder of foreigners is really something we should not tolerate.

#openborders

A Christian friend of mine has posted this on FB and there's a raging debate as to whether, if this was truly God's Calling, then perhaps he should be considered more a martyr for his faith. They're making comparisons to missionaries who go to war torn countries or others who've died for their faith.

Interestingly others are saying missionaries receive years of training and he was off by himself so..

Quite interesting to read.

it always amuses me that these Christian Missionaries always die as Matyrs, ts never because God is punishing them for being tresspassing criminals

[Ifreann]

Before he ends up like the missionary because that is what is going to happen if he even makes it there.

I mean, the missionary went in peace. A well armed person with malicious intent would probably fair a lot better.

Becoming a well-armed person with malicious intent would probably attract the attention of the authorities before the person in question could get within an ass's roar of the Andamans.

[The South Falls]

Before he ends up like the missionary because that is what is going to happen if he even makes it there.

I mean, the missionary went in peace. A well armed person with malicious intent would probably fair a lot better.

You'd have to have a tank or something to be able to stand a chance.

[Kubumba Tribe]

And this is why isolated tribes shouldn't be allowed to exist. Tribal sovereignty is always bad. They need to be civilized.

They already are civilized, and there's no safe way to make these people a part od our civilization.

Personally, I think the Sentinelese just need to embrace diversity. It is, after all, the current year and the murder of foreigners is really something we should not tolerate.

#openborders

Agreed. Though not so much on the hashtag.

Ah, yes, I see. You were able to sit down with the Sentinelese and ask them why they kill visitors to their island? Do enlighten us, why is it that they attack people? Is it to prevent transmission of disease? Well, I am afraid that I find that hard to believe. Is it because six members were kidnapped in 1880? Perhaps, but they were already attacking people before then, as in 1867.

Go on, why don’t you tell me, since you’re so privy and educated in their justification.

Based on rudimentary hand signals and pictographs I personally understood their philosophy of life and death as enunciated in Kierkegard’s 1843 work of Fear and Trembling, albeit written under the pseudonym, Johannes de silentio. It was really that dichotomy of human logic against blind faith expression of god’s will expressed through the story of Abraham and Isaac. If Abraham is to be seen an admirable figure in spite of his murderous intentions, this is because he confronts with courage the loss of the person whom he loves most dearly. According to Kierkegaard, and by proxy the Sentinelese, Abraham is a hero not by virtue of his obedience to God's command, but because he maintains his relationship to Isaac after giving him up.

Or that’s what I understood, as they explained..

.as Abraham raises his knife over Isaac's body, this symbolises the fact that every human relationship is haunted by the prospect of death. Love always ends in loss, at least within this life. One response to this existential fact – perhaps the most common response – is to avoid the issue of mortality as much as possible. An alternative response is to face up to the inevitable pain of loss and to relinquish the beloved in advance, so to speak, by giving up hope of enjoying a happy relationship within this lifetime.

Clearly this is view that human relationships are important, if not most important in our understanding of our mission according to God’s command.

But strangers.. f ‘em.

Ibraahim AS didn't have murderous intentions.

The more this thread runs (the more posts I read), the less sympathetic towards the isolated tribe I feel. At this rate, I’m going to be advocating that they be forcefully integrated into India and those responsible for the murder arrested and put on trial...

Getting really tired of posters defending what’s essentially a bunch of savages murdering a preacher with arrows (and going in very strange circles to make it “self defense”)... the amount of mental gymnastics and victim blaming here is truly truly outrageous...

They know literally Spit about disease (they are a bunch of primitives). They saw a person walking in who looks different so they shot him dead. Why are we defending this murder again? “self defense” is so distorted...

Anyhow, that’s how I feel

I’m totally okay if India or the USA decides to use military action to solve this problem

So you're ok with genocide?

Okay I have explained this multiple times but I guess I have to do so again. Simply going in and vaccinating them is not going to end well. We can't communicate with them and how exactly would you react if a bunch of stranger creatures came in and started injecting you with stuff. Do you see the obvious problem with simply going in and trying to vaccinate them?

You put a team of special forces operators (several hundred men), arm them with specialized tranq rifles... and move in.

Or even better, deploy sleeping gas over the peremeter with aircraft and non lethal artillery

You can capture all of them, vaccinate them when they are unconscious, and then put them into Training camps to learn the skills to be re integrated into modern society... it may take several generations of reprogramming and of course it’s important that they be treated humanely and with luxuries...

This would be a joint US India operations with personnel from top special forces

Or you could do all of this without the re-integration (which wouldn't be a thing in this case) and put them back on their island.

You put a team of special forces operators (several hundred men), arm them with specialized tranq rifles... and move in.

Or even better, deploy sleeping gas over the peremeter with aircraft and non lethal artillery

You can capture all of them, vaccinate them when they are unconscious, and then put them into Training camps to learn the skills to be re integrated into modern society... it may take several generations of reprogramming and of course it’s important that they be treated humanely and with luxuries...

...ARE YOU SERIOUS! First off we have no idea how they would react to sleeping gas since there immune systems are much different then ares. And second you want us to put them into concentration camps oh sorry "training camps" to reprogram them. That is one of the most oppressive idea's I have ever heard.

Yes, he said "training camps". He also said that they should be treated humanely, so you didn't have to fake a typo. Also, he didn't say "reprogram", he said "re-integrate".

...ARE YOU SERIOUS! First off we have no idea how they would react to sleeping gas since there immune systems are much different then ares. And second you want us to put them into concentration camps oh sorry "training camps" to reprogram them. That is one of the most oppressive idea's I have ever heard.

No these would be re education camps filled with luxuries and very humanitarian conditions; we need to be prepared to accommodate them for several generations until they can safely rejoin modern society

You can't rejoin something you've never been a part of. Besides, they're already in modern society.

[Luna Amore]

I mean, the missionary went in peace. A well armed person with malicious intent would probably fair a lot better.

Becoming a well-armed person with malicious intent would probably attract the attention of the authorities before the person in question could get within an ass's roar of the Andamans.

I don’t think it’d be that hard to circumvent the authorities if you had your own boat and didn’t blatantly announce your intentions.

I’m picturing Batman but a bastard.

[Conserative Morality]

What I find objectionable is terming indigenous people "savages" and implying they lack a valid moral code simply because they defend their territory against befuddled interlopers; thinking Chau's death is some kind of outrage or tragedy instead of what it is, a stupid self-inflicted pointless stunt worthy of a Darwin Award; and while we're at it why this ridiculous story is still being reported on when it's no more interesting or significant than any idiot lighting a match to see if his gas tank is full or not.

Sorry that I don't consider murdering anyone who steps on your land a sign of a valid moral code. You have fun with that extreme relativism though! I am sure it will bring joy to the hearts of people who jack off to the thought of murdering uppity blacks for taking shortcuts across their lawn.

[Loben]

poor bastard