Missionary killed after trying to convert isolated tribe

[Western Vale Confederacy]

Y'know, what the hell did he expect from a tribe that is not only known for immediate acts of violence, but also WAIT on the beach if they even see us coming towards them?

[FelrikTheDeleted]

How unfortunate, Rest In Peace.

[Cannot think of a name]

Lmao imagine thinking his crime is worthy of death.

His crime is worthy of imprisonment and fines. Doing it contains the very real risk of death, part of why it's illegal.

[Kaggeceria]

That doesn't really make it not unfortunate.

Does it not make it fortunate ? He did not manage to infect them all and the world is rid of a criminal.
Sounds like a win/win.

Uh, they killed the dude, dragged his corpse and buried it. Probably got blood on themselves.

If he did have any of those scary preventable diseases he probably already gave it to them.

Guess we'll see if they're still there to murder people when the next Indian fishermen get shipwrecked on that island. If they aren't killed by the animals then they're gone.

[Minzerland II]

I like how people on this thread pretend to know why the Sentinelese killed John Chau as if they were communicating with them, and those reasons somehow justify his murder.

Well done, NSG!

[Western Vale Confederacy]

I like how people on this thread pretend to know why the Sentinelese killed John Chau as if they were communicating with them, and those reasons somehow justify his murder.

Well done, NSG!
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Welcome to humanity, where we constantly attempt to gain the moral upper ground over our opponents with convoluted arguments.

[Duhon]

Self-defense is literally the only reason that makes sense.

And anyway, why should one (un?)intentionally kill off an insignificant tribe of a tiny island in the southern Bay of Bengal? Why expose them to that risk?

[Duhon]

Does it not make it fortunate ? He did not manage to infect them all and the world is rid of a criminal.
Sounds like a win/win.

Uh, they killed the dude, dragged his corpse and buried it. Probably got blood on themselves.

If he did have any of those scary preventable diseases he probably already gave it to them.

Guess we'll see if they're still there to murder people when the next Indian fishermen get shipwrecked on that island. If they aren't killed by the animals then they're gone.

A person that comes into contact with most tainted blood does not usually get infected by blood borne pathogens at all, so long as the bloodied skin is unbroken. This holds true even in immunocompromised or otherwise immunologically defenseless persons.

[Napkiraly]

Self-defense is literally the only reason that makes sense.

And anyway, why should one (un?)intentionally kill off an insignificant tribe of a tiny island in the southern Bay of Bengal? Why expose them to that risk?

Well he seemed to like adventures and seemed to have liked spreading the word of God. I imagine a combination of those two drove him to the island.

[Caracasus]

Lmao imagine thinking his crime is worthy of death.

Okay, what happened to this guy really sucks, there's few things out there that really would make me think 'yeah that person deserves shooting' and as reckless and thoughtless as this person was, he didn't deserve death. In a better universe the fishing boats were intercepted and he's waiting a trial in an Indian jail cell for endangering the population of this island etc.

However, I'm struggling to see exactly what can be done here. We don't know who killed him and the insurmountable barriers of culture and language make an investigation impossible so it's not like a normal investigation can take place.

While there are patrols and such in place around the island, if someone isn't deterred by the many, many warnings and in this instance by thr fact they fired an arrow at him the last time he dropped by, I'm struggling to see how we can reasonably expect the Indian govt. To be able to stop every determined effort.

I'm assuming your comment about bombing was a joke and you aren't detatched from reality to the extent that you'd actually be OK with that so what is the solution here?

Personlly I'm struggling to see one aside from chalking this up as a damn good reason not to go there.

[Caracasus]

Self-defense is literally the only reason that makes sense.

And anyway, why should one (un?)intentionally kill off an insignificant tribe of a tiny island in the southern Bay of Bengal? Why expose them to that risk?

We don't know the reason because we know next to nothing about their culture or understand their language.

[Kaggeceria]

Lmao imagine thinking his crime is worthy of death.

Okay, what happened to this guy really sucks, there's few things out there that really would make me think 'yeah that person deserves shooting' and as reckless and thoughtless as this person was, he didn't deserve death. In a better universe the fishing boats were intercepted and he's waiting a trial in an Indian jail cell for endangering the population of this island etc.

However, I'm struggling to see exactly what can be done here. We don't know who killed him and the insurmountable barriers of culture and language make an investigation impossible so it's not like a normal investigation can take place.

While there are patrols and such in place around the island, if someone isn't deterred by the many, many warnings and in this instance by thr fact they fired an arrow at him the last time he dropped by, I'm struggling to see how we can reasonably expect the Indian govt. To be able to stop every determined effort.

I'm assuming your comment about bombing was a joke and you aren't detatched from reality to the extent that you'd actually be OK with that so what is the solution here?

Personlly I'm struggling to see one aside from chalking this up as a damn good reason not to go there.

Personally, I'd prefer ending the idiotic idea of tribal sovereignty and then perhaps sending in some troops to quell their violent and animalistic tendencies so that they can't murder anymore fishermen and missionaries. And vaccinate the less violent ones so they don't run the risk of dying from preventable diseases.

But really what should be done right now is to retrieve the body so his family could at least give him a proper burial. The idiots who brought him there saw where it was buried. Just send in a really big boat. Make some loud noise, maybe shoot off some flairs to scare the Sentinelese (who knows, maybe they'll start worshipping the boat as a God or something). Then send in some men for quick retrieval of the corpse.

[Kaggeceria]

Personally, I think the Sentinelese just need to embrace diversity. It is, after all, the current year and the murder of foreigners is really something we should not tolerate.

#openborders

[Duhon]

Self-defense is literally the only reason that makes sense.

And anyway, why should one (un?)intentionally kill off an insignificant tribe of a tiny island in the southern Bay of Bengal? Why expose them to that risk?

We don't know the reason because we know next to nothing about their culture or understand their language.

In lieu of their own reason I supply the one that makes the only sense.

[Bombadil]

Personally, I think the Sentinelese just need to embrace diversity. It is, after all, the current year and the murder of foreigners is really something we should not tolerate.

#openborders

I think it's fine as long as they buy arms from us.

[Kaggeceria]

Personally, I think the Sentinelese just need to embrace diversity. It is, after all, the current year and the murder of foreigners is really something we should not tolerate.

#openborders

I think it's fine as long as they buy arms from us.

Yes, an arms deal with the Sentinelese would be splendid.

We supply them with guns and tanks. They pay us with turtle shells and shiny beads.

[Bombadil]

Personally, I think the Sentinelese just need to embrace diversity. It is, after all, the current year and the murder of foreigners is really something we should not tolerate.

#openborders

A Christian friend of mine has posted this on FB and there's a raging debate as to whether, if this was truly God's Calling, then perhaps he should be considered more a martyr for his faith. They're making comparisons to missionaries who go to war torn countries or others who've died for their faith.

Interestingly others are saying missionaries receive years of training and he was off by himself so..

Quite interesting to read.

[Duhon]

Have any of them considered that potentially spreading disease along with the Good News is a bad thing for a would-be missionary to do? That as a man of God, you have to keep your chosen flock safe and sound, and this man didn't see to it that they were safe, never mind himself?

Mind if you carry over my objections, Bombadil?

[Oil exporting People]

An American citizen has been killed while attempting to spread the Gospel to Heathens? Deploy the Gunboats.

[Minzerland II]

Have any of them considered that potentially spreading disease along with the Good News is a bad thing for a would-be missionary to do? That as a man of God, you have to keep your chosen flock safe and sound, and this man didn't see to it that they were safe, never mind himself?

Mind if you carry over my objections, Bombadil?

So will we keep the Sentinelese caged up in their island for the rest of their existence? These people, I can only see, will die to disease eventually. We are just biding time till they’re finally wiped from existence.

[Caracasus]

Okay, what happened to this guy really sucks, there's few things out there that really would make me think 'yeah that person deserves shooting' and as reckless and thoughtless as this person was, he didn't deserve death. In a better universe the fishing boats were intercepted and he's waiting a trial in an Indian jail cell for endangering the population of this island etc.

However, I'm struggling to see exactly what can be done here. We don't know who killed him and the insurmountable barriers of culture and language make an investigation impossible so it's not like a normal investigation can take place.

While there are patrols and such in place around the island, if someone isn't deterred by the many, many warnings and in this instance by thr fact they fired an arrow at him the last time he dropped by, I'm struggling to see how we can reasonably expect the Indian govt. To be able to stop every determined effort.

I'm assuming your comment about bombing was a joke and you aren't detatched from reality to the extent that you'd actually be OK with that so what is the solution here?

Personlly I'm struggling to see one aside from chalking this up as a damn good reason not to go there.

Personally, I'd prefer ending the idiotic idea of tribal sovereignty and then perhaps sending in some troops to quell their violent and animalistic tendencies so that they can't murder anymore fishermen and missionaries. And vaccinate the less violent ones so they don't run the risk of dying from preventable diseases.

But really what should be done right now is to retrieve the body so his family could at least give him a proper burial. The idiots who brought him there saw where it was buried. Just send in a really big boat. Make some loud noise, maybe shoot off some flairs to scare the Sentinelese (who knows, maybe they'll start worshipping the boat as a God or something). Then send in some men for quick retrieval of the corpse.

Well, setting aside the pizza cutter for a second, I did kind of specify that using military force against these people wasn't a good idea - your second point seems slightly more plausible. Though of course you're still risking the lives of the people sent in to dig this guy up.

[Duhon]

Have any of them considered that potentially spreading disease along with the Good News is a bad thing for a would-be missionary to do? That as a man of God, you have to keep your chosen flock safe and sound, and this man didn't see to it that they were safe, never mind himself?

Mind if you carry over my objections, Bombadil?

So will we keep the Sentinelese caged up in their island for the rest of their existence? These people, I can only see, will die to disease eventually. We are just biding time till they’re finally wiped from existence.

Given their numbers, there'll be (there's?) a good amount of inbreeding, a good amount of stillbirths and other neonatal and reproductive pathologies, so it's almost guaranteed genetics alone will do them in short order.

But unless we are sure our intervention will not kill them off, we must not intervene.

(Yes, I too am in favor of an intervention, but only if we can guarantee that we don't kill them off or subject them to a restricted quality of life in our seeking to save them from their own demise.)

[Oil exporting People]

Okay, what happened to this guy really sucks, there's few things out there that really would make me think 'yeah that person deserves shooting' and as reckless and thoughtless as this person was, he didn't deserve death. In a better universe the fishing boats were intercepted and he's waiting a trial in an Indian jail cell for endangering the population of this island etc.

However, I'm struggling to see exactly what can be done here. We don't know who killed him and the insurmountable barriers of culture and language make an investigation impossible so it's not like a normal investigation can take place.

While there are patrols and such in place around the island, if someone isn't deterred by the many, many warnings and in this instance by thr fact they fired an arrow at him the last time he dropped by, I'm struggling to see how we can reasonably expect the Indian govt. To be able to stop every determined effort.

I'm assuming your comment about bombing was a joke and you aren't detatched from reality to the extent that you'd actually be OK with that so what is the solution here?

Personlly I'm struggling to see one aside from chalking this up as a damn good reason not to go there.

Personally, I'd prefer ending the idiotic idea of tribal sovereignty and then perhaps sending in some troops to quell their violent and animalistic tendencies so that they can't murder anymore fishermen and missionaries. And vaccinate the less violent ones so they don't run the risk of dying from preventable diseases.

But really what should be done right now is to retrieve the body so his family could at least give him a proper burial. The idiots who brought him there saw where it was buried. Just send in a really big boat. Make some loud noise, maybe shoot off some flairs to scare the Sentinelese (who knows, maybe they'll start worshipping the boat as a God or something). Then send in some men for quick retrieval of the corpse.

On the whole, bring back Imperialism.

[The Grims]

Have any of them considered that potentially spreading disease along with the Good News is a bad thing for a would-be missionary to do? That as a man of God, you have to keep your chosen flock safe and sound, and this man didn't see to it that they were safe, never mind himself?

Mind if you carry over my objections, Bombadil?

So will we keep the Sentinelese caged up in their island for the rest of their existence? These people, I can only see, will die to disease eventually. We are just biding time till they’re finally wiped from existence.

We are talking about the oldest still existing human civilisation. By far. The Chinese, the Hindus, let alone the Christians are all infants to them. Yes, they seem primitive, stale and violent - but they seem to excel at enduring.

[Minzerland II]

So will we keep the Sentinelese caged up in their island for the rest of their existence? These people, I can only see, will die to disease eventually. We are just biding time till they’re finally wiped from existence.

We are talking about the oldest still existing human civilisation. By far. The Chinese, the Hindus, let alone the Christians are all infants to them. Yes, they seem primitive, stale and violent - but they seem to excel at enduring.

Until a missionary brings over a disease that will wipe them out, of course!