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Downfall memes.

And Saran. Who doesn't love saran wrap, it keeps you food fresh, it's got a thousand uses...

Oh Sarin. Bad Nazis. Bad,bad Nazis.

Sicaris wrote:

Petrasylvania wrote:EU hate.

*Well deserved EU hate

Which has what to do with the topic of this thread?

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Dahon wrote:
No Nazis equals no pervertedly giddy Mushroom? Count me in -- I'd want millions to live on and die without knowing sHitler anyway.

What about Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts?

I'm not sure they would exist in the same form either or at all...

you underestimate the extent to which Nazis have influenced literature

Again I’d much rather have 36 million more Jews than Harry Potter

Thermodolia wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
What about Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts?

I'm not sure they would exist in the same form either or at all...

you underestimate the extent to which Nazis have influenced literature

Again I’d much rather have 36 million more Jews than Harry Potter

okay...

well you're entitled to your opinion on the matter

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Thermodolia wrote:Again I’d much rather have 36 million more Jews than Harry Potter

okay...

well you're entitled to your opinion on the matter

So when is the murder of white Europe so we can have more exotic works happening? I want to know so I get the front seat for someone's entertainment.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Dahon wrote:
No Nazis equals no pervertedly giddy Mushroom? Count me in -- I'd want millions to live on and die without knowing sHitler anyway.

What about Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts?

I'm not sure they would exist in the same form either or at all...

you underestimate the extent to which Nazis have influenced literature

People with empathy don't put fucking movies before fellow human beings.

Tens of millions dead.

GOT FUCKING POTTER BOY THO

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Dahon wrote:
No Nazis equals no pervertedly giddy Mushroom? Count me in -- I'd want millions to live on and die without knowing sHitler anyway.

What about Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts?

I'm not sure they would exist in the same form either or at all...

you underestimate the extent to which Nazis have influenced literature

The Harry Potter novels would be largely the same without the Nazis.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Dahon wrote:
No Nazis equals no pervertedly giddy Mushroom? Count me in -- I'd want millions to live on and die without knowing sHitler anyway.

What about Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts?

I'm not sure they would exist in the same form either or at all...

you underestimate the extent to which Nazis have influenced literature

Nazism isn't the only example of racial supremacist ideology that the Death Eaters can be based upon.

Big Jim P wrote:The Nazis gave us an almost universal demon to stand against.

The also provided a distraction to take our attention away from communism and its far higher death toll.

Intentional Genocide is much worse than mass death due to incompetence, imo.

Valrifell wrote:

Novus America wrote:
Yes. Fascists praising the Nazis is stupid. Nazis did not create Fascism, they created an extreme off shoot of it that effectively killed all Fascism by association with Nazism.

I heard somewhere that, in the early stages of their relationship, Mussolini viewed Hitler as his protégé.

Ironic that not only did Hitler overshadow Mussolini in importance in the Fascist ideology but also killed its potential adoption by other nations. Also started a war that ended with him being hanged.

Well at least they did something right. Imagine if they succeeded and the rest of the world decided to become fascist. That would suck.

EDIT: To clarify, the something they did right was show just how bad fascism is so the rest of the world wouldn’t adopt it.

Ifreann wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
What about Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts?

I'm not sure they would exist in the same form either or at all...

you underestimate the extent to which Nazis have influenced literature

The Harry Potter novels would be largely the same without the Nazis.

In all seriousness we cannot possibly know how things would be different without the Nazis.
The Nazis had such a huge impact we cannot say.

But that does not matter, besides the fact that we cannot be sure we would not have better, even though different books, movies and all without them, their unitentional impact on future popular culture cannot said to be an accomplishment of the Nazis.

And in the end any positive impact they might have had does not in anyway justify their crimes.

Ifreann wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
What about Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts?

I'm not sure they would exist in the same form either or at all...

you underestimate the extent to which Nazis have influenced literature

The Harry Potter novels would be largely the same without the Nazis.

I disagree.

The activities of the Death Eaters and the rise of Grindelwald draw heavily from World War II and the Nazification of Germany.

Its possible other historical events could act as inspiration but nowhere to the same degree

Reikoku wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
What about Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts?

I'm not sure they would exist in the same form either or at all...

you underestimate the extent to which Nazis have influenced literature

People with empathy don't put fucking movies before fellow human beings.

I'm not overly concerned for the lives or deaths of people who lived in the 1940s, truth be told (just as it would be very strange to weep for the deaths of those in the Seven Years War or any other distant historical conflict)

However, I have hugely benefitted from works of fiction that World War II has inspired

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Ifreann wrote:The Harry Potter novels would be largely the same without the Nazis.

I disagree.

The activities of the Death Eaters and the rise of Grindelwald draw heavily from World War II and the Nazification of Germany.

Its possible other historical events could act as inspiration but nowhere to the same degree

Grindelwald is not a terribly important character, and Voldemort and his Death Eaters are not really all that like Hitler and the Nazis, especially not in the course of the events of the novels.

Futuristicka Jugoslavija wrote:

Vassenor wrote:
#nowthatswhaticalledgy

He was literally an incarnation of Vishnu

this tbh

Ifreann wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
I disagree.

The activities of the Death Eaters and the rise of Grindelwald draw heavily from World War II and the Nazification of Germany.

Its possible other historical events could act as inspiration but nowhere to the same degree

Grindelwald is not a terribly important character, and Voldemort and his Death Eaters are not really all that like Hitler and the Nazis, especially not in the course of the events of the novels.

he is in the Fantastic Beasts films

have you not seen them? Grindelwald is a main character.

Voldemort not like the Nazis? Pure-blood/blood purity ideology, enslavement of Muggles and Muggle-borns, quiet and gradual take over of government and society, the use of education and media as propaganda weapons... I don't know, it all sound like it got pulled from the Nazis. If the series had been a bit higher than PG Rowling could easily have had Voldemort kill 6-12 million Muggles/Muggle-born magic users and it would still seem in character.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Dahon wrote:
No Nazis equals no pervertedly giddy Mushroom? Count me in -- I'd want millions to live on and die without knowing sHitler anyway.

What about Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts?

I'm not sure they would exist in the same form either or at all...

you underestimate the extent to which Nazis have influenced literature

People not being genocided > Harry Potter.

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:

Infected Mushroom wrote:
What about Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts?

I'm not sure they would exist in the same form either or at all...

you underestimate the extent to which Nazis have influenced literature

People not being genocided > Harry Potter.

Its not just Harry Potter. I was just using that as a more well-known example.

The collective corpus of Nazi/World War II inspired media is huge. In fact, its really hard to say what the literary and artistic world would look like without the Nazis. They have really shaped the 20th and 21st century.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Grindelwald is not a terribly important character, and Voldemort and his Death Eaters are not really all that like Hitler and the Nazis, especially not in the course of the events of the novels.

he is in the Fantastic Beasts films

have you not seen them? Grindelwald is a main character.

I haven't seen them.

Voldemort not like the Nazis? Pure-blood/blood purity ideology,

Hitler largely took his ideas about the racial superiority of the Aryan people from the scientific racism that was already popular in Europe and North America at the time.

enslavement of Muggles and Muggle-borns,

Hitler did not invent slavery, and as far as I recall Voldemort did not particularly practice slavery.

quiet and gradual take over of government and society,

Hitler didn't quietly and gradually take over Germany. He held rallies and gave speeches. His Nazi party was elected in increasing numbers in increasingly illegitimate elections until he was appointed Chancellor. People certainly did not question his existence and fear to speak his name. And Voldemort didn't quietly and gradually take over Wizarding Britain. He carried out an overnight coup d'etat.

the use of education and media as propaganda weapons...

Not unique to Hitler and not something we first see used in the series by Voldemort. The Ministry of Magic does this before Voldemort takes over.

I don't know, it all sound like it got pulled from the Nazis. If the series had been a bit higher than PG Rowling could easily have had Voldemort kill 6-12 million Muggles/Muggle-born magic users and it would still seem in character.

Certainly it would, but that doesn't mean that the story would be completely different without the influence of the Nazis.

Rowling is a good writer. I’m sure she wouldn’t have needed the Nazis to inspire her villains and probably would have come up with a villain just as despicable if Hitler never rose to power.

Infected Mushroom wrote:

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
People not being genocided > Harry Potter.

Its not just Harry Potter. I was just using that as a more well-known example.

The collective corpus of Nazi/World War II inspired media is huge. In fact, its really hard to say what the literary and artistic world would look like without the Nazis. They have really shaped the 20th and 21st century.

I know I run the risk of being warned for flaming or whatever, but I mean this in the most honest way possible, what the fuck is wrong with you? What kind of person thinks this way? "Oh well I got Harry Potter so I'm kinda ok with the Holocaust".

Evaluate your fucking priorities, I mean come on.

Heisenberg's atomic research was crucial for the future of atomic energy. Plus, they created the first 'real' assault rifle (Sturmgewehr-44), which is still used as a model for guns even to this day (cough Kalashnikovs cough).

Plus, they fucked the symbolism of the swastika.

Xmara wrote:Rowling is a good writer. I’m sure she wouldn’t have needed the Nazis to inspire her villains and probably would have come up with a villain just as despicable if Hitler never rose to power.

IM would have more of an argument with Star Wars, bad as it would be either way.