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Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:14 amby Kaggeceria
Baltenstein wrote:...and we got our first casualty:
A protester has died and there are reports of several injuries as demonstrators angry at rising fuel prices disrupt traffic across France.
The female protester was struck after a driver panicked and drove towards demonstrators, reports said.
Some 120,000 "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, have gathered in 2,000 locations.
They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".
Mr Macron admitted this week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".
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Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.
Officials have warned that, while they will not stop the protests, they will not allow them to bring the French road network to a standstill.
What has happened so far?
The female protester was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them, Le Parisien newspaper reported.
The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock. Protesters in Brittany in north-western France held a minute's silence for the victim.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46233560
What has happened so far?
The female protester was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them, Le Parisien newspaper reported.
That's really just terrible.
Kind of wish we had that same zero tolerance of protestors blocking streets here.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:41 amby Saiwania
These protests are a good start, but it is against the wrong target in my view. What should really get France mad is the fact that they have a ton of terrible people within their borders. All the Moroccans, Algerians, north Africans, and middle Easterners, it should be obvious that they should be thrown out or deported. Internment camps for the ones that can't. They will voluntarily leave if the conditions are made bad enough. All of the mosques and "no go" communities can be shut down once this has been completed.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:59 amby The South Falls
Saiwania wrote:These protests are a good start, but it is against the wrong target in my view. What should really get France mad is the fact that they have a ton of terrible people within their borders. All the Moroccans, Algerians, north Africans, and middle Easterners, it should be obvious that they should be thrown out or deported. Internment camps for the ones that can't. They will voluntarily leave if the conditions are made bad enough. All of the mosques and "no go" communities can be shut down once this has been completed.
Why? Why? Why?
Are you trying to say that Africans are bad people? Put it out there, don't veil it.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:25 amby Kaggeceria
The South Falls wrote:Saiwania wrote:These protests are a good start, but it is against the wrong target in my view. What should really get France mad is the fact that they have a ton of terrible people within their borders. All the Moroccans, Algerians, north Africans, and middle Easterners, it should be obvious that they should be thrown out or deported. Internment camps for the ones that can't. They will voluntarily leave if the conditions are made bad enough. All of the mosques and "no go" communities can be shut down once this has been completed.
Why? Why? Why?
Are you trying to say that Africans are bad people? Put it out there, don't veil it.
I don't really think it's even veiled lol he wants mass deportations and internment camps.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:44 amby The Greater Ohio Valley
Saiwania wrote:These protests are a good start, but it is against the wrong target in my view. What should really get France mad is the fact that they have a ton of terrible people within their borders. All the Moroccans, Algerians, north Africans, and middle Easterners, it should be obvious that they should be thrown out or deported. Internment camps for the ones that can't. They will voluntarily leave if the conditions are made bad enough. All of the mosques and "no go" communities can be shut down once this has been completed.
You know, it’s not really necessary to insert your white nationalism into everything.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:49 amby Saiwania
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You know, it’s not really necessary to insert your white nationalism into everything.
The motive for my policy platform should be easy enough to understand. I view certain groups of people as representing a fifth column collectively speaking. I'm sure the Nazis viewed the Jews as a threat or potential source of treason against the German state but instead of imaginary, this is very much real. We can point to plenty of examples of those people joining ISIS or using vehicles to run over people and so forth. Their loyalty to fundamentalist Islam over France, should be enough pretext to root them all out in my view.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:54 amby Mzeusia
Saiwania wrote:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You know, it’s not really necessary to insert your white nationalism into everything.
The motive for my policy platform should be easy enough to understand. I view certain groups of people as representing a fifth column collectively speaking. I'm sure the Nazis viewed the Jews as a threat or potential source of treason against the German state but instead of imaginary, this is very much real. We can point to plenty of examples of those people joining ISIS or using vehicles to run over people and so forth. Their loyalty to fundamentalist Islam over France, should be enough pretext to root them all out in my view.
Um...is comparing your views to those of the Nazis a good idea?
Also, why punish them all because of the actions of a tiny minority?
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:00 amby Olerand
Massive? About 250,000, nationwide. This isn't even a small protest in Paris.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:06 amby Saiwania
Mzeusia wrote:Um...is comparing your views to those of the Nazis a good idea? Also, why punish them all because of the actions of a tiny minority?
Nazi Germany was civilized by international standards and didn't go too far until after 1938. The world was impressed enough with the regime after all, to hold the Olympics there. I'll freely admit that I don't want these people in France to begin with. Reducing any pro-Islamist sentiment is what I'd call a happy accident which would be brought about by what I propose. Just as Trump keeping Mexicans out of the US will result in fewer Democratic votes.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:09 amby Olerand
Saiwania wrote:Mzeusia wrote:Um...is comparing your views to those of the Nazis a good idea? Also, why punish them all because of the actions of a tiny minority?
Nazi Germany was civilized by international standards and didn't go too far until after 1938. The world was impressed enough with the regime after all, to hold the Olympics there. I'll freely admit that I don't want these people in France to begin with. Reducing any pro-Islamist sentiment is what I'd call a happy accident which would be brought about by what I propose. Just as Trump keeping Mexicans out of the US will result in fewer Democratic votes.
Right... Anyway, so this is about taxes on diesel.
And it's a pitiful nationwide turnout. For a cause that has some legitimacy when taken at its core but is handled by people suffering from absolute entitlement, when they can even be bothered to have a position other than "Fire Macron".
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:13 amby Painisia
The French have it in their blood to revolt and protest against every decision the state makes. Sarcasm. But I must congratulate Mr Macron for trying to do his part for the Paris Climate Accords. But the problem is that not every Frenchmen can afford to pay more for fuel. Many are totally dependent on their cars as a means of transportation to their jobs
But chaos has ensued. And I don't think it is morally right by protestors to prevent other people from getting to their destination in their cars. That is bad. It ain`t 1789, 1848 or 1968-time now you see!
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:15 amby Aellex
Risottia wrote:"We are not a political movement", sure, and they organise a political protest. Seems exactly what the M5S did. Total astroturfing. I wonder whether Bannon is behind this.
Literally who? Is that the left-wing version of "let's blame Soros for everything" ?
Kaggeceria wrote:Seems to be a rather spontaneous movement.
Not a very popular nor important one neither, tbh. Compare the numbers they managed to gather with the ones for the protests against the Loi Travail not long ago.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:15 amby Olerand
Painisia wrote:The French have it in their blood to revolt and protest against every decision the state makes.
Sarcasm. But I must congratulate Mr Macron for trying to do his part for the Paris Climate Accords.
But the problem is that not every Frenchmen can afford to pay more for fuel. Many are totally dependent on their cars as a means of transportation to their jobs
A reasonable problem. If only the gilets jaunes could be bothered to actually focus on that and less on immigrants for those who vote RN, and less on the incoming grand soir for those who vote LFI. They'd probably find way more sympathetic ears. And less people trying to run them over.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:16 amby The Greater Ohio Valley
Saiwania wrote:The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:You know, it’s not really necessary to insert your white nationalism into everything.
The motive for my policy platform should be easy enough to understand. I view certain groups of people as representing a fifth column collectively speaking. I'm sure the Nazis viewed the Jews as a threat or potential source of treason against the German state but instead of imaginary, this is very much real. We can point to plenty of examples of those people joining ISIS or using vehicles to run over people and so forth. Their loyalty to fundamentalist Islam over France, should be enough pretext to root them all out in my view.
This has literally nothing to do with your white nationalist policy platform though, this is about protests over fuel prices.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:19 amby Proctopeo
Painisia wrote:The French have it in their blood to revolt and protest against every decision the state makes.
Sarcasm. But I must congratulate Mr Macron for trying to do his part for the Paris Climate Accords. But the problem is that not every Frenchmen can afford to pay more for fuel. Many are totally dependent on their cars as a means of transportation to their jobs
Really, this should be a step taken later down the line, after public transportation and hybrid/electric cars have been promoted and taken more hold.
Taking the step now is just inconvenient and displays a major disconnect between the government and the people.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:20 amby Trollzyn the Infinite
Come back when the French aren't protesting about something. That's real news.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:21 amby Proctopeo
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Come back when the French aren't protesting about something. That's real news.
"President Macron, the peasants are revolting!"
"I'm well aware of that, they don't even bathe. Servant, bring me more wine."
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:23 amby Trollzyn the Infinite
Proctopeo wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Come back when the French aren't protesting about something. That's real news.
"President Macron, the peasants are revolting!"
"I'm well aware of that, they don't even bathe. Servant, bring me more wine."
Glorious.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:24 amby Olerand
Proctopeo wrote:Painisia wrote:The French have it in their blood to revolt and protest against every decision the state makes.
Sarcasm. But I must congratulate Mr Macron for trying to do his part for the Paris Climate Accords. But the problem is that not every Frenchmen can afford to pay more for fuel. Many are totally dependent on their cars as a means of transportation to their jobs
Really, this should be a step taken later down the line, after public transportation and hybrid/electric cars have been promoted and taken more hold.
Taking the step now is just inconvenient and displays a major disconnect between the government and the people.
It's not that serious, raising taxes in France is... literally something that happens monthly. The impopularity of this government, and the lack of effective, non-condescending communication hampers what is otherwise not that big of a problem. The new taxes will at best bring the price of diesel up to match the price of regular gasoline. That'll have a harsh effect on some low and lower-middle income people, and the government has promised to role out some measures to ease the pain for the first category; and this is an issue worth discussing, with all the details it entails (the lack of effective job growth, good wages in rural and periurban areas, etc.); but these silly and annoying protests where the protesters aren't even talking about the taxes as much as they are about MLP and JLM (and even though The Republicans took that classic poujadist stance of supporting an otherwise stupid manifestation) aren't... it.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:25 amby Internationalist Bastard
French protests aren’t massive until they polish the guilotine
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:26 amby Trollzyn the Infinite
Olerand wrote:Proctopeo wrote:Really, this should be a step taken later down the line, after public transportation and hybrid/electric cars have been promoted and taken more hold.
Taking the step now is just inconvenient and displays a major disconnect between the government and the people.
It's not that serious, raising taxes in France is... literally something that happens monthly. The impopularity of this government, and the lack of effective, non-condescending communication hampers what is otherwise not that big of a problem. The new taxes will at best bring the price of diesel up to match the price of regular gasoline. That'll have a harsh effect on some low and lower-middle income people, and the government has promised to role out some measures to ease the pain for the first category; and this is an issue worth discussing, with all the details it entails (the lack of effective job growth, good wages in rural and periurban areas, etc.); but these silly and annoying protests where the protesters aren't even talking about the taxes as much as they are about MLP and JLM (and even though The Republicans took that classic poujadist stance of supporting an otherwise stupid manifestation) aren't... it.
The protesters are Bronies? Well, they just lost my support. Damn shame.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:26 amby Olerand
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Olerand wrote:It's not that serious, raising taxes in France is... literally something that happens monthly. The impopularity of this government, and the lack of effective, non-condescending communication hampers what is otherwise not that big of a problem. The new taxes will at best bring the price of diesel up to match the price of regular gasoline. That'll have a harsh effect on some low and lower-middle income people, and the government has promised to role out some measures to ease the pain for the first category; and this is an issue worth discussing, with all the details it entails (the lack of effective job growth, good wages in rural and periurban areas, etc.); but these silly and annoying protests where the protesters aren't even talking about the taxes as much as they are about MLP and JLM (and even though The Republicans took that classic poujadist stance of supporting an otherwise stupid manifestation) aren't... it.
The protesters are Bronies? Well, they just lost my support. Damn shame.
I don't know what that means.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:28 amby Trollzyn the Infinite
Olerand wrote:Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:The protesters are Bronies? Well, they just lost my support. Damn shame.
I don't know what that means.
It's a joke.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:30 amby Olerand
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Olerand wrote:I don't know what that means.
It's a joke.
I gathered as much, I just don't understand what it means. Frankly, no matter.
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Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:45 amby Sovaal
6th republic when?