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Postby Kaggeceria » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:36 pm

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The French president, Emmanuel Macron, faces a new challenge this weekend as a motorist protest movement threatens to bring the country to a standstill.

The so-called gilets jaunes (yellow vests) protest movement has no official organisation, no identified leader and no political affiliation. Instead, it has been almost entirely coordinated on social media.

As a result, the French authorities fear the location of the protests is almost impossible to pin down and nobody has a clue how many people will turn up.

On Friday, the prime minister, Édouard Philippe, said the gilets jaunes were free to protest but blocking the country was “obviously not acceptable”.

A call to action across France in protest at the rising cost of diesel and petrol, has sparked vigorous support on Facebook, where the Blocage 17 Novembre 2018 page, has almost 25,000 followers. The group states: “We point out that we are not part of any organisation (or political party). This event comes about only from the French people.”

The “yellow vests” are named after the hi-vis tops motorists are obliged to carry in their vehicles under French law in case of a breakdown. France has a long history of citizens taking to the streets to force the hands of successive governments over the past 50 years.

Macron has defended the rise in taxes on fuel next year, which comes after a 23% rise in the cost of diesel and 15% in petrol in the past year. Ministers say price increases are mainly due to higher wholesale oil prices globally. But there is anger about taxes on fuel that have risen incrementally since 2014. Diesel is due to be taxed another 6.5 cents per litre and petrol by 2.9 cents in France from January.

The government says its transport policy is aimed at long-term “ecological transition” and encouraging more environment-friendly vehicles.

“I prefer taxing fuel to taxing labour,” Macron said last week. “People complaining about rising fuel prices are the same ones who complain about pollution and how their children suffer.”

Critics say the rising fuel prices hits workers who depend on cars to get to and from their jobs particularly in the countryside. The dispute has sparked a rift between the city “elite” and the rural poor in France, where Macron has been labelled the president of the rich because of his tax breaks for business.

Laurent Wauquiez, the leader of the opposition centre-right Les Républicains, tweeted: “You have to be completely out of touch with reality not to understand that taxing fuel is taxing those who work.”

The economy minister, Bruno Le Maire, has spent recent days promoting the government’s financial incentives for drivers to move away from diesel. These include a rebate for owners who trade in vehicles for a more environmentally friendly model.

There is also an “ecological bonus” for drivers who rent or buy new electric vehicles. Protesters struggling to meet the rising cost of fuel say this does not help them in the short term.

While go-slow actions will be tolerated during the demonstration, police have been ordered to break up any protests that bring roads to a standstill.

A poll by Elabe for BFM TV on Wednesday suggested 73% of French people supported the protests and 70% said the government should scrap the fuel price rises.

Macron is due to face his biggest challenge yet. It's clear that the overwhelming majority of the French people oppose his fuel policies, and it seems as though a large rift is growing between the French leadership and their people. I support the protesters as it seems to me that these taxes on fuel will only hurt the working class. Macron's notion that this is somehow different from a tax on labor seems to show how out of touch he is.

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:40 pm

I'll put this out right there right now, but it ain't all that impressive until you start seeing improvised barricades on the streets of Paris.

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Postby Teachian » Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:55 pm

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:I'll put this out right there right now, but it ain't all that impressive until you start seeing improvised barricades on the streets of Paris.


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Postby Atkemri » Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:03 pm

3rd French Revolution when?
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Postby Risottia » Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:08 am

"We are not a political movement", sure, and they organise a political protest. Seems exactly what the M5S did. Total astroturfing. I wonder whether Bannon is behind this.
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Postby Kubra » Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:38 am

But less people driving in France is a good thing, french drivers are a safety hazard let's be real
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Postby Benuty » Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:40 am

What is it with the French, and protests over nearly every damn thing becoming an event to "bring to a standstill". I mean I guess revolutions, and constitutional changes aren't as cheap as they used to be.
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Postby New haven america » Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:42 am

Kubra wrote:But less people driving in France is a good thing, french drivers are a safety hazard let's be real

Also, less car pollution is always a good thing.

2 birds with 1 stone, nice.
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Postby Phoenicaea » Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:49 am

can t stand populace who protest 'for oil taxes', it s a refrain in these countries. no way they are not in some party's hands. few people, still very vociferous.

and they often get what they want, unbearable. that people would need a lesson, still it is their country, so at road crossing I let them pass first, as they wish. still, my hate is great.

^ of course it is a good thing.

about protests, it is not a constitutional thing, is is a behaviour thing. it is the way the country has been done, and a disposition of spirit.
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New haven america wrote:
Kubra wrote:But less people driving in France is a good thing, french drivers are a safety hazard let's be real

Also, less car pollution is always a good thing.

2 birds with 1 stone, nice.
The extra tax income can be used to clean the paris metro of its piss smell
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Postby New haven america » Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:03 am

Kubra wrote:
New haven america wrote:Also, less car pollution is always a good thing.

2 birds with 1 stone, nice.
The extra tax income can be used to clean the paris metro of its piss smell
This couldn't be better!

Jeez, now I'm against the protestors, they're having all this nice stuff basically handed to them and they just want to complain.
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Postby Phoenicaea » Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:48 am

then, protests turned massive have always not been reactionnary in France. so this should either not overthrow the palace, or be flooded with republican protestors.

about the march for Napoleon setback against Louis XVI, it was not a true march - and Vienne's monarchy was not as progressive.
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New haven america wrote:
Kubra wrote:But less people driving in France is a good thing, french drivers are a safety hazard let's be real

Also, less car pollution is always a good thing.

2 birds with 1 stone, nice.

Thus far it just seems to be making life harder for the average citizen.
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Postby Kaggeceria » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:09 am

Risottia wrote:"We are not a political movement", sure, and they organise a political protest. Seems exactly what the M5S did. Total astroturfing. I wonder whether Bannon is behind this.

Seems to be a rather spontaneous movement.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:11 am

Atkemri wrote:3rd French Revolution when?


It already happened and no one noticed. Everyone surrendered to everyone else and thus the status quo was maintained. :D

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Postby Valentine Z » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:13 am

Man, it's just one thing after another, isn't it? I know life is not all sunshines and rainbows, but right now, seems like we seriously can't go on a day without a protest or a riot happening.

Welcome to real world, Val... :/

Anyway, reading through it briefly, I think this might be a step in the right direction to use renewable sources or electric cars? Hooray for the environment, I suppose?



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Postby Costa Fierro » Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:39 am

Our government is doing the same thing here, because we badly need investment in transportation infrastructure. Not sure what the state of public transportation is like in France, but I think the people opposing an increase in fuel taxes can go and get stuffed.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:47 am

Benuty wrote:What is it with the French, and protests over nearly every damn thing becoming an event to "bring to a standstill". I mean I guess revolutions, and constitutional changes aren't as cheap as they used to be.

Governments that are even less willing than those of the UK and USA to listen to what their voters actually want, instead of just giving them what those governments think they should have?
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Bears Armed wrote:
Benuty wrote:What is it with the French, and protests over nearly every damn thing becoming an event to "bring to a standstill". I mean I guess revolutions, and constitutional changes aren't as cheap as they used to be.

Governments that are even less willing than those of the UK and USA to listen to what their voters actually want, instead of just giving them what those governments think they should have?


Except in this case, it's for the benefit of the country. Short term pain, long term gain. Problem is that the general public is too selfish and short-sighted to see this.
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Bears Armed wrote:Governments that are even less willing than those of the UK and USA to listen to what their voters actually want, instead of just giving them what those governments think they should have?


Except in this case, it's for the benefit of the country. Short term pain, long term gain. Problem is that the general public is too selfish and short-sighted to see this.

But that's what the governments always say, no matter how correct or incorrect they are: "Daddy knows best, so do as daddy tells you."
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Bears Armed wrote:
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Except in this case, it's for the benefit of the country. Short term pain, long term gain. Problem is that the general public is too selfish and short-sighted to see this.

But that's what the governments always say, no matter how correct or incorrect they are: "Daddy knows best, so do as daddy tells you."

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Postby Baltenstein » Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:09 am

...and we got our first casualty:

A protester has died and there are reports of several injuries as demonstrators angry at rising fuel prices disrupt traffic across France.

The female protester was struck after a driver panicked and drove towards demonstrators, reports said.

Some 120,000 "yellow vests", so-called after the high-visibility jackets they are required to carry in their cars, have gathered in 2,000 locations.

They accuse President Emmanuel Macron of abandoning "the little people".

Mr Macron admitted this week that he had not "really managed to reconcile the French people with their leaders".

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Nonetheless, he accused his political opponents of hijacking the movement in order to block his reform programme.

Officials have warned that, while they will not stop the protests, they will not allow them to bring the French road network to a standstill.

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The female protester was killed in the south-eastern Savoy region when a driver who was taking her daughter to hospital panicked at being blocked by about 50 demonstrators, who were striking the roof of her vehicle, and drove into them, Le Parisien newspaper reported.

The driver has been taken into police custody in a state of shock. Protesters in Brittany in north-western France held a minute's silence for the victim.


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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Nov 17, 2018 6:23 am

Kowani wrote:The majority can make just as many mistakes as a government. How do you think we got here?
Of course it can.. but when it isn't even given the chance to do so, despite living in a nation that's supposed to be a democracy, naturally some of its members get a bit annoyed. Was this tax rise that's being protested actually in the governing party's manifesto at the last national election?
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