Should the West stop influencing the Middle East?

[Skarten]

Well I do! I don't appreciate you giving me this direspectful attitude!!

I wanting to a do freaking civilized discussion on here and all you guys do is ridicule!

Well I'm a proud Catholic (not in the Deadly Sin type of way ) and I have nothing against any form of Islam, but you do know that people are allowed to speak their thoughts, right?

Their prophet married a 6 year old

[Right wing humour squad]

Dude chose a pedo for his prophet.
Pretty sure that demonstrates the only thing Allah likes is child rape.
I’m not certain a god like that deserves respect.

Islam is fan fiction, tbh. It doesn't fit with the established lore of the Abrahamism.

Yeah seems like Arab whataboutmeism.
It’s almost like it’s a poor translation of Christian texts designed to be sold to a racist Arab market.

[Andsed]

Okay again I´m atheist Allah probably don´t like me anyway so what´s the harm in insulting Allah? Also who is it offensive and sickening to? You? Cause TBH I don´t give a damm about what any Christian or Muslim thinks of me or what I have to say about their religions.

Well I do! I don't appreciate you giving me this direspectful attitude!!

I wanting to a do freaking civilized discussion on here and all you guys do is ridicule!

Then call a fuckin Jihad on me why dont ya.


But anyway back on topic the west is helping to spread secularism which is a good thing but we have committed many war crimes which we need to stop. We should try and reform how we operate here to take Muslim interest to heart. Were trying to help them not kill them. That includes taking a stand against against war crimes committed by our allies such as Saudi Arabia.

[Toaslandia]

Well I'm a proud Catholic (not in the Deadly Sin type of way ) and I have nothing against any form of Islam, but you do know that people are allowed to speak their thoughts, right?

Their prophet married a 6 year old

Oh, that ain't right!

[Trollzyn the Infinite]

Islam is fan fiction, tbh. It doesn't fit with the established lore of the Abrahamism.

There is nothing fictional about Islam.

I'm Christian so I would have to disagree there.

[Eodor]

Honestly it would just be much easier if everyone just got along and was friends

Unfortunately we're humans, so we love fighting and wrecking things because it's more fun.

You're welcome.

[The Frozen Forest]

If you wanted a civilised discussion I'd recommend actually having a topic that promotes such, not "muh westerners destroying Islam" and more "muh westerners committing war crimes".

But it's true though. This had been prophecized in Hadith.

Westerners aren't destroying Islam though. The United States doesn't go off and bomb Uzbekistan's Mosques. The West collectively agrees that you should have the right to elect your own leaders. Additionally, you should be allowed to live under a ruler who isn't put in his position purely by religious dogma. Be it the Pope or a Caliph, its wrong either way. Every human being should have the right to democracy rather than totalitarianism.

The Middle East is far from united in any case. What about the Jews in Israel? They have no interest in being ruled by a Caliph, so your options are to forcibly remove them via a difficult war which will cost thousands of jewish and muslim lives, or you can allow them to remain in peace. Palestine is thereby offended though, so what do you do? Who even is right in that debate? What about the Sunni-Shia split, what sect of Islam should be ruled by the Caliph? The one that agree's with you? Religion should NOT be infused with government. It has only caused suffering and pain, just like state atheism. People should be free to practice their own religions without a jizya tax. People should have an elected government.

[Toaslandia]

I´m a fucking atheist buddy your religious threats don´t scare me.

Well that's too bad. You won't be allowed to say anything on Judgment Day when you stand in front of Allah.

Don't ever insult Allah again. It's offensive and sickening.

Jeez man. He doesn't believe in the afterlife, and if there is, it's God (he is the same as Allah) who judges them, not you.

[Thermodolia]

Shouldn't you be thanking the west? When the soviets were off funding Nasser and Taraki and whoever have you, it was the west who came to the aid of allah and the emir.

That was a bloody mistake if ya ask me. Communism has been very beneficial to the Middle East especially in Secularization

[Al-Zalaam]

Well I do! I don't appreciate you giving me this direspectful attitude!!

I wanting to a do freaking civilized discussion on here and all you guys do is ridicule!

Then call a fuckin Jihad on me why dont ya.


But anyway back on topic the west is helping to spread secularism which is a good thing but we have committed many war crimes which we need to stop. We should try and reform how we operate here to take Muslim interest to heart. Were trying to help them not kill them. That includes taking a stand against against war crimes committed by our allies such as Saudi Arabia.

I don't think going back to what you were previously talking about excuses you from what you just did. What you did was cowardly.

No. You guys are trying to take us over.

And stop calling Muhammad a pedophile people. He wasn't.

[Skarten]

There is nothing fictional about Islam.

Technically, all religions are Fiction. I know I just said I'm a Christian, but we believe because we are faithful, not because we have seen it. So since we have never seen our prophet or God, technically they are fiction. (plz don't smite me)

I SENSE A HERETIC

[Thermodolia]

Don't worry, the moment the west stops needing oil from the middle east, nobody will care about the it anymore.


Unless, of course, they decide to try to fix the human right violations.

That’s a good joke

[Toaslandia]

Technically, all religions are Fiction. I know I just said I'm a Christian, but we believe because we are faithful, not because we have seen it. So since we have never seen our prophet or God, technically they are fiction. (plz don't smite me)

I SENSE A HERETIC

Nooooooo! DON'T HURT MEEEEEE!

[Draos]

Okay again I´m atheist Allah probably don´t like me anyway so what´s the harm in insulting Allah? Also who is it offensive and sickening to? You? Cause TBH I don´t give a damm about what any Christian or Muslim thinks of me or what I have to say about their religions.

Well I do! I don't appreciate you giving me this direspectful attitude!!

I wanting to a do freaking civilized discussion on here and all you guys do is ridicule!

except you being overly defensive and honestly stubborn in your opinion showing vast ignorance and Naivety on the subject of global politics you honestly brought this upon yourself. your opinion of the west is evil all Muslims are good is too black and white for a world of shades of gray and is honestly what helps increase the rate of Radicalism in the Islamic community because they are so desperate to cling to their traditional beliefs and anyone who dares try to speak otherwise is seen as an enemy amongst the more conservative members of the religion.

[Al-Zalaam]

But it's true though. This had been prophecized in Hadith.

Westerners aren't destroying Islam though. The United States doesn't go off and bomb Uzbekistan's Mosques. The West collectively agrees that you should have the right to elect your own leaders. Additionally, you should be allowed to live under a ruler who isn't put in his position purely by religious dogma. Be it the Pope or a Caliph, its wrong either way. Every human being should have the right to democracy rather than totalitarianism.

The Middle East is far from united in any case. What about the Jews in Israel? They have no interest in being ruled by a Caliph, so your options are to forcibly remove them via a difficult war which will cost thousands of jewish and muslim lives, or you can allow them to remain in peace. Palestine is thereby offended though, so what do you do? Who even is right in that debate? What about the Sunni-Shia split, what sect of Islam should be ruled by the Caliph? The one that agree's with you? Religion should NOT be infused with government. It has only caused suffering and pain, just like state atheism. People should be free to practice their own religions without a jizya tax. People should have an elected government.

Israel should be removed from the face of the Earth.

They don't belong in the middle east. Palestine should take them back. And all their leaders should be executed for crimes against Muslims.

[Thermodolia]

Well guess what buddy. None of us give a shit about your sky friend who probably does not even exist. If Allah does not like it he can get off his fat lazy ass and come down here and say so himself. So if you don´t like a little harmless sexual humor close your eyes and look away.

Don't insult Allah. You'll regret it in the afterlife!

Oh no. I’m so scared of a guy I don’t believe even exists

[Valgora]

Then call a fuckin Jihad on me why dont ya.


But anyway back on topic the west is helping to spread secularism which is a good thing but we have committed many war crimes which we need to stop. We should try and reform how we operate here to take Muslim interest to heart. Were trying to help them not kill them. That includes taking a stand against against war crimes committed by our allies such as Saudi Arabia.

I don't think going back to what you were previously talking about excuses you from what you just did. What you did was cowardly.

No. You guys are trying to take us over.

And stop calling Muhammad a pedophile people. He wasn't.

He's kinda like Jesus from The Big Lebowski

[Al-Zalaam]

Well I do! I don't appreciate you giving me this direspectful attitude!!

I wanting to a do freaking civilized discussion on here and all you guys do is ridicule!

except you being overly defensive and honestly stubborn in your opinion showing vast ignorance and Naivety on the subject of global politics you honestly brought this upon yourself. your opinion of the west is evil all Muslims are good is too black and white for a world of shades of gray and is honestly what helps increase the rate of Radicalism in the Islamic community because they are so desperate to cling to their traditional beliefs and anyone who dares try to speak otherwise is seen as an enemy amongst the more conservative members of the religion.

I'm just trying to bring awareness to the world of NationStates. That's all I'm doing , but I'm being met with ridicule. :'(

[Toaslandia]

Westerners aren't destroying Islam though. The United States doesn't go off and bomb Uzbekistan's Mosques. The West collectively agrees that you should have the right to elect your own leaders. Additionally, you should be allowed to live under a ruler who isn't put in his position purely by religious dogma. Be it the Pope or a Caliph, its wrong either way. Every human being should have the right to democracy rather than totalitarianism.

The Middle East is far from united in any case. What about the Jews in Israel? They have no interest in being ruled by a Caliph, so your options are to forcibly remove them via a difficult war which will cost thousands of jewish and muslim lives, or you can allow them to remain in peace. Palestine is thereby offended though, so what do you do? Who even is right in that debate? What about the Sunni-Shia split, what sect of Islam should be ruled by the Caliph? The one that agree's with you? Religion should NOT be infused with government. It has only caused suffering and pain, just like state atheism. People should be free to practice their own religions without a jizya tax. People should have an elected government.

Israel should be removed from the face of the Earth.

They don't belong in the middle east. Palestine should take them back. And all their leaders should be executed for crimes against Muslims.

WTF MAN! This is insane, even for a NS Forum post!

[Normund]

Even I as an Atheist and fervent Anti-Abrahamist admit my country (UK) and other Western states have really, really not been acting as we should. I believe our governments’ politicians need a firm spanking (not literally). We need to teach other governments a lesson and get them to adhere to proper international law and standards. I believe the existence of the UNSC and the veto power nullifies any possible attempt at a sensible and responsible government.

Unfortunately the power wielded by the UNSC is necessary in order to protect humanity from the Covenant Empire - a.k.a the Space Caliphate.

Gah! Foiled!
Anyway, in all seriousness, I do not approve of the Security Council. I consider it as a tool for the big boys to ignore international law and any responsibility for the crimes they’ve committed. It should be dissolved.

[Andsed]

Then call a fuckin Jihad on me why dont ya.


But anyway back on topic the west is helping to spread secularism which is a good thing but we have committed many war crimes which we need to stop. We should try and reform how we operate here to take Muslim interest to heart. Were trying to help them not kill them. That includes taking a stand against against war crimes committed by our allies such as Saudi Arabia.

I don't think going back to what you were previously talking about excuses you from what you just did. What you did was cowardly.

No. You guys are trying to take us over.

And stop calling Muhammad a pedophile people. He wasn't.

So how is me suggesting the West should reform how we do things in the middle east to help you guys cowardly?

Well I do! I don't appreciate you giving me this direspectful attitude!!

I wanting to a do freaking civilized discussion on here and all you guys do is ridicule!

except you being overly defensive and honestly stubborn in your opinion showing vast ignorance and Naivety on the subject of global politics you honestly brought this upon yourself. your opinion of the west is evil all Muslims are good is too black and white for a world of shades of gray and is honestly what helps increase the rate of Radicalism in the Islamic community because they are so desperate to cling to their traditional beliefs and anyone who dares try to speak otherwise is seen as an enemy amongst the more conservative members of the religion.

This

[Right wing humour squad]

Westerners aren't destroying Islam though. The United States doesn't go off and bomb Uzbekistan's Mosques. The West collectively agrees that you should have the right to elect your own leaders. Additionally, you should be allowed to live under a ruler who isn't put in his position purely by religious dogma. Be it the Pope or a Caliph, its wrong either way. Every human being should have the right to democracy rather than totalitarianism.

The Middle East is far from united in any case. What about the Jews in Israel? They have no interest in being ruled by a Caliph, so your options are to forcibly remove them via a difficult war which will cost thousands of jewish and muslim lives, or you can allow them to remain in peace. Palestine is thereby offended though, so what do you do? Who even is right in that debate? What about the Sunni-Shia split, what sect of Islam should be ruled by the Caliph? The one that agree's with you? Religion should NOT be infused with government. It has only caused suffering and pain, just like state atheism. People should be free to practice their own religions without a jizya tax. People should have an elected government.

Israel should be removed from the face of the Earth.

They don't belong in the middle east. Palestine should take them back. And all their leaders should be executed for crimes against Muslims.

Yeah get rid of the one functional nation in the area for the benefit of a bunch of religious insurgents.

I think not.

[Draos]

Westerners aren't destroying Islam though. The United States doesn't go off and bomb Uzbekistan's Mosques. The West collectively agrees that you should have the right to elect your own leaders. Additionally, you should be allowed to live under a ruler who isn't put in his position purely by religious dogma. Be it the Pope or a Caliph, its wrong either way. Every human being should have the right to democracy rather than totalitarianism.

The Middle East is far from united in any case. What about the Jews in Israel? They have no interest in being ruled by a Caliph, so your options are to forcibly remove them via a difficult war which will cost thousands of jewish and muslim lives, or you can allow them to remain in peace. Palestine is thereby offended though, so what do you do? Who even is right in that debate? What about the Sunni-Shia split, what sect of Islam should be ruled by the Caliph? The one that agree's with you? Religion should NOT be infused with government. It has only caused suffering and pain, just like state atheism. People should be free to practice their own religions without a jizya tax. People should have an elected government.

Israel should be removed from the face of the Earth.

They don't belong in the middle east. Palestine should take them back. And all their leaders should be executed for crimes against Muslims.

Israel has had a longer claim on that region than Palestine (3000 years to 500 that's a difference of 6-1 since that is the Jewish homeland so to say they don't belong there is beyond close minded

[Al-Zalaam]

Don't insult Allah. You'll regret it in the afterlife!

Oh no. I’m so scared of a guy I don’t believe even exists

You should be.

Israel should be removed from the face of the Earth.

They don't belong in the middle east. Palestine should take them back. And all their leaders should be executed for crimes against Muslims.

WTF MAN! This is insane, even for a NS Forum post!

No it's not.

[Thermodolia]

I´m a fucking atheist buddy your religious threats don´t scare me.

Well that's too bad. You won't be allowed to say anything on Judgment Day when you stand in front of Allah.

Don't ever insult Allah again. It's offensive and sickening.

Ill insult whatever imaginary figure I want.