Should the West stop influencing the Middle East?

[Al-Zalaam]

The West has a lot of influence in the middle east and they're responsible for stiring up a lot of chaos among many Muslim brothers. Personally, if the Muslims of the middle east stopped fighting one another and United to form a Caliphate and remove western influence from the middle east, they're better off by themselves.

The Saudis are puppets of the United States and they should be cooperating with Muslim countries more than relying on the imperialistic west who try to shove their secularism down the throats of Muslims.

What do you think, NSG?

[Rusthenia]

umm you mean spreading secularism?

[Astoriya]

The West has a lot of influence in the middle east and they're responsible for stiring up a lot of chaos among many Muslim brothers. Personally, if the Muslims of the middle east stopped fighting one another and United to form a Caliphate and remove western influence from the middle east, they're better off by themselves.

The Saudis are puppets of the United States and they should be cooperating with Muslim countries more than relying on the imperialistic west who try to shove their secularism down the throats of Muslims.

What do you think, NSG?

Not sure I agree with that - however, it is true that the region is relatively fractured (especially since last year with Qatar). The only problem here is... (possibly) tribal boundaries

[Andsed]

First off even if the entire middle east banded together they would not be powerful enough to be able to get rid of foreign influence. And second secularism is better than a religious government so I don´t see why it spreading would be a bad thing.

[Thermodolia]

The West has a lot of influence in the middle east and they're responsible for stiring up a lot of chaos among many Muslim brothers. Personally, if the Muslims of the middle east stopped fighting one another and United to form a Caliphate and remove western influence from the middle east, they're better off by themselves.

The Saudis are puppets of the United States and they should be cooperating with Muslim countries more than relying on the imperialistic west who try to shove their secularism down the throats of Muslims.

What do you think, NSG?

Secularism is great. Though if you think Muslims being secular is bad then I’m sure you won’t mind when all Muslims are blocked from entering secular states

[The Yugoslav Protection Force]

Secularism is great. Though if you think Muslims being secular is bad then I’m sure you won’t mind when all Muslims are blocked from entering secular states

Secularism is what held many nations such as Canada or Yugoslavia together in the past. Seeing what religious division does to a country firsthand, I am pro-secular-government.

We should stop creating religious divisions and instead live in peace with our neighbors as much as possible. It is usually politicians that are radical and pit the people against each other using religion as an excuse for violence, while the people would have lived in peace without trouble otherwise in most cases.

[Liberum Locus]

The West has a lot of influence in the middle east and they're responsible for stiring up a lot of chaos among many Muslim brothers. Personally, if the Muslims of the middle east stopped fighting one another and United to form a Caliphate and remove western influence from the middle east, they're better off by themselves.

The Saudis are puppets of the United States and they should be cooperating with Muslim countries more than relying on the imperialistic west who try to shove their secularism down the throats of Muslims.

What do you think, NSG?

Muslims cooperating, yeah right. The Sunnis and the Shias will never come over their differences, and removing western influences won't change that.

[Baltenstein]

Muslims should focus on religious consvervatism, ONLY GOOD CAN COME FROM THIS

On a more serious note, the Muslim's world inability to overcome its fixation on Islam is one of the prime reasons it is in such a sorry state today.

[Liriena]

Given that European and American influence (and its complicity with Saudi Arabia) played a major role in the rise of Islamic fundamentalism... yeah, it probably wouldn't hurt if they just stopped.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Yes, the West shouldn't be trying to make non-Western nations like them in terms of ideology.

[Eodor]

Secularism is a good thing, that's not the West's main influence in the Middle East though. I wouldn't say the West shouldn't stop messing about in the Middle East but spreading Secularism is perfectly okay.

It's all the wars they keep starting and terrorist groups they arm is the issue.

[Ostroeuropa]

We should be influencing different things. We're currently fucking around in regional politics (Iran V Saud) and ignoring the impact on global politics this is having, including in our home nations and with the radicalization of Islamic society.

For fucks sake, we went in and shut down one of the most secular, forward looking, egalitarian(ish, for its day), societies because "wah wah wah we want oil you're a meany socialist poopy pants" and what was the result?

Fucking Theocratic Iran, which then we, what?
Spent the next couple of decades trying to fuck over further by arming fucking Islamic fundamentalists and shit?

It's like the whole "Oh my god, dem latins moving up here and taking our jerbs. Quick, fund more fascist regimes in south america! That'll fix it!"

We should take a chill pill, sit back, and wait for any faction to emerge that we actually like, then back those ones. (Muh Kurds.)

The bonus is, that faction will do business with us anyway once they win.

[Unstoppable Empire of Doom]

First off a caliphate is impossible. The middle East has always been divided between at least two of the powers (turks, Egypt, Persia, and Arabia). You are basically asking for a mass genocide of one group or another.

Second off the middle East sure has no problem with influencing the west when possible. It did so extensively for hundreds of years. The shoe has only been on the other foot for a century.

Thirdly why shouldn't the west? In geopolitical thought the oil is too important to ignore.

Deal With It

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Asking "Should the west stop influencing the Middle East?" is kind of like asking if a dog should stop licking his testicles, regardless of the "should", it's going to happen because it's just the nature of the beast. States will always try to maximize their hegemony.

[Senkaku]

The West has a lot of influence in the middle east and they're responsible for stiring up a lot of chaos among many Muslim brothers.

Sure, but I'm gonna go ahead and float that politicking among Middle Eastern nations is responsible for just as much chaos-stirring-upping

Personally, if the Muslims of the middle east stopped fighting one another and United to form a Caliphate and remove western influence from the middle east, they're better off by themselves.

Ah yes, the sands of the Middle East, known as the breadbasket of the world lmao

The Saudis are puppets of the United States

Yes, such good puppets that they lowkey coordinated the bombings of our towers and high command that seem set to ruin to first half of the 21st century lol

and they should be cooperating with Muslim countries more

Like the UAE and the Egyptians and all their other various partners in the Yemen war?

than relying on the imperialistic west who try to shove their secularism down the throats of Muslims.

I mean, I don't know if you've ever had stuff shoved down your throat, but it's really not as bad as you'd think. You might consider giving it a whirl, secular society is pretty nice actually.

What do you think, NSG?

I think the West certainly started a lot of shit in the Middle East, but the region isn't going to dig itself out of its troubles by pointing fingers. You're talking about how the Saudis should cooperate more or whatever with their co-religionists- the thing is, they do, it's just that they do so to achieve their own selfish ends, just like the Iranians, the Egyptians, the Turks, and everyone else. Regional powers trying to establish hegemony is just the way the world is, not something you can chalk up as being the West's fault.

[Izandai]

Personally I think it's incumbent upon the West (and America in particular) to clean up the messes we created, and I think continued influence (though in a drastically different form than what's been done thus far, of course) is a better way to do that than just leaving the region to its own devices.

[Danceria]

Yes, we should probably stop causing refugee crisises if we do not intend to solve them with various warmongering. Dump the petrol-bois, go full nuclear energy.

[The Huskar Social Union]

The Middle east would never unite under a caliphate, they hate eachother way too much to do that, especially Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Has the west fucked up with some of the shit it has done in the ME? Fucking of course it has, could still do some good there though.

Also Secularism is great yo and it would be great if the ME adopted it and stopped with all the hardline religious bullshit that has just dont oh so much for the region

[Thermodolia]

than relying on the imperialistic west who try to shove their secularism down the throats of Muslims.

I mean, I don't know if you've ever had stuff shoved down your throat, but it's really not as bad as you'd think. You might consider giving it a whirl, secular society is pretty nice actually.

Oh god that’s funny

[Right wing humour squad]

No, westernisation is still the best option for a better future.

The Middle East desperately needs to de-islamify. It’s methods and systems of legitimising authority are outdated and uncompetitive. They consistently result in worse outcomes for the people living there.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

than relying on the imperialistic west who try to shove their secularism down the throats of Muslims.

I mean, I don't know if you've ever had stuff shoved down your throat, but it's really not as bad as you'd think. You might consider giving it a whirl, secular society is pretty nice actually.

[New Tussia]

I'd say:
No.
They're on completely different sides of the world; and, I believe that neighbours or close countries should be the ones influencing them.
But:
It's needed for a diverse world with different, and hopefully new, ideologies. Ideological diversity is needed.

[Al-Zalaam]

I mean, I don't know if you've ever had stuff shoved down your throat, but it's really not as bad as you'd think. You might consider giving it a whirl, secular society is pretty nice actually.

Oh god that’s funny

No it's not.

[Andsed]

Oh god that’s funny

No it's not.

Yes it is.

[Kubra]

Shouldn't you be thanking the west? When the soviets were off funding Nasser and Taraki and whoever have you, it was the west who came to the aid of allah and the emir.