In Remembrance & Discussion - November 11, 1918

[NewLakotah]

Yes, I had a relative who fought in World War One. In fact, I had several. I think, 5 relatives. Only one survived. I participated in a Rememberance Parade wearing my Great, Great, Great-Uncle's Medals. He was a Sergeant, and was one of the 22,000 men killed on the first day of the Battle of the Somme.
The survivor, however, had his legs blown off.

That's insane... 5 family members, only one survives. That's cool that you have that information though, and still have his medals.

I know of a few family members who fought in World War I, but only one that I really know about what happened. He died in 1915. There wasn't a battle at the time, it was just a random shelling. He had been at the front for about a month (he was in the Canadian Army). He was killed by a shell with 2 other soldiers, all from the same town, including two brothers. A fellow soldier (from the same town) wrote in detail about it back to his father as he was very close friends with them.


For your relatives and mine, We Will Remember Them.

[Tasuirin]

Yes, I had a relative who fought in World War One. In fact, I had several. I think, 5 relatives. Only one survived. I participated in a Rememberance Parade wearing my Great, Great, Great-Uncle's Medals. He was a Sergeant, and was one of the 22,000 men killed on the first day of the Battle of the Somme.
The survivor, however, had his legs blown off.

That's insane... 5 family members, only one survives. That's cool that you have that information though, and still have his medals.

I know of a few family members who fought in World War I, but only one that I really know about what happened. He died in 1915. There wasn't a battle at the time, it was just a random shelling. He had been at the front for about a month (he was in the Canadian Army). He was killed by a shell with 2 other soldiers, all from the same town, including two brothers. A fellow soldier (from the same town) wrote in detail about it back to his father as he was very close friends with them.


For your relatives and mine, We Will Remember Them.

On my father's side of the family, the men were too old or too young to be drafted in, so I'm told. On my mother's side, one of my great grandfathers was part of the medical corps and served with bravery. My mother's father, however, has the words 'deserted' throughout his records. Though to be honest, I'm not all that surprised - he fought in a war that was unlike any war fought before, in conditions far worse than anyone should have to endure, for causes as flimsy as a paper boat. To all who had served, even on the opposite side, We Will Remember Them.

[Andsed]

To everyone here I recommend you guys watch the great war channel on YouTube. They go through WW1 week by week from beginning to end and the final episode came up today. Also the host Indy Neidell is doing the same thing with WW2 and are a couple of months in.


I also recommend this video talking about misconceptions of WW1 to get a better view of the war:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs857RflCZE

[NewLakotah]

You sound like you basically spend most of your life on Youtube's Prussian March / Songs videos and browse Prussian appreciation foras and then when you get exposed to the majority opinion - that Germany started both wars, was a criminal nation and that Prussia shouldn't have been allowed to exist - you look like you're in utter shock that the opinion you have cultivated in your head from being in your PrussiaLove echo chamber doesn't actually translate into reality where pretty much everyone blames Germany for both wars and think Germany was treated too lightly for the chaos it has bestowed upon the world twice in a short period of history.

For the record, Versailles was far lighter than what Germany imposed on France in 1871 when it forced France into war for its own gains in search of unification. It should have been broken up permanently and enforced with strength.

And you sound like you only listen to the Entente’s side to WWI, as the “criminal nation” line is a classic line of those who only subscribe to that side. Why was Germany explicitly a “criminal nation,” and not any of the Entente? If you say a disrespect for Belgian neutrality, look at Britain with Greece. If you say using chemical warfare, so didn’t the Entente. The GE was no more a criminal nation than Russia, Britain, or France.

And yes, I am in shock that people actually believe that something worse should have been placed upon Germany. I apologise for loving a country, how dare I do so and react accordingly to people saying that it should have had a worse punishment than it did already. As for the fact it does not acclimate with everyone blaming Germany for the war, that’s just fine. The Victorian get to write history, as it’s said. Nothing I can do to change people’s minds that Germany started it, and I pray that people like you with the idea that the GE should have had a worse punishment never gain access to a time machine.

Well, there is the Rape of Belgium. Which, yes, before you respond, is hyped a lot, but was still terrible what is true about it. Secondly, yes, the Entente used chemical warfare, only after the Germans started using it in the first place. But, I actually don't agree that it was a "criminal nation", war is war, and it is hell, and Germans were particularly not keen on making excuses for their actions.

IN all though, the more annoying aspect, is the pro-German mindset, that is blind to the war-building and very imperialistic mindset that caused World War One. As it has been described, Austria-Hungary only caused the spark, but Germany had set up the powder kegs and pressed Austria-Hungary into war in no uncertain terms. The drastic measures they took to ensure that they would isolate France ensured that war would be terrible. Secondly, comparing Greece to Belgium is a terrible example.

So, did Germany start the war? Not in so many words no, but they really wanted it and wanted an offensive into France, explain how a nation who doesn't want war ends up invading France, when technically Germany did not need to enter the war in the first place. Secondly, the Treaty of Versailles was not that drastic, yes it broke the economy, but the Depression did that more that Versailles did, it only exasperated things. What Versailles did, as Joffre said, was make it a 20 year armistice. By breaking up the German Empire, like they did with AH and Ottoman Empire, it would have prevented all attempts at German European power grabs. Also, by giving Italy what they had agreed to would have possibly prevented fascism from taking over. The punishment was punitive and should have included more direct control over German influences and relations.

[Andsed]

And you sound like you only listen to the Entente’s side to WWI, as the “criminal nation” line is a classic line of those who only subscribe to that side. Why was Germany explicitly a “criminal nation,” and not any of the Entente? If you say a disrespect for Belgian neutrality, look at Britain with Greece. If you say using chemical warfare, so didn’t the Entente. The GE was no more a criminal nation than Russia, Britain, or France.

And yes, I am in shock that people actually believe that something worse should have been placed upon Germany. I apologise for loving a country, how dare I do so and react accordingly to people saying that it should have had a worse punishment than it did already. As for the fact it does not acclimate with everyone blaming Germany for the war, that’s just fine. The Victorian get to write history, as it’s said. Nothing I can do to change people’s minds that Germany started it, and I pray that people like you with the idea that the GE should have had a worse punishment never gain access to a time machine.

Well, there is the Rape of Belgium. Which, yes, before you respond, is hyped a lot, but was still terrible what is true about it. Secondly, yes, the Entente used chemical warfare, only after the Germans started using it in the first place. But, I actually don't agree that it was a "criminal nation", war is war, and it is hell, and Germans were particularly not keen on making excuses for their actions.

IN all though, the more annoying aspect, is the pro-German mindset, that is blind to the war-building and very imperialistic mindset that caused World War One. As it has been described, Austria-Hungary only caused the spark, but Germany had set up the powder kegs and pressed Austria-Hungary into war in no uncertain terms. The drastic measures they took to ensure that they would isolate France ensured that war would be terrible. Secondly, comparing Greece to Belgium is a terrible example.

So, did Germany start the war? Not in so many words no, but they really wanted it and wanted an offensive into France, explain how a nation who doesn't want war ends up invading France, when technically Germany did not need to enter the war in the first place. Secondly, the Treaty of Versailles was not that drastic, yes it broke the economy, but the Depression did that more that Versailles did, it only exasperated things. What Versailles did, as Joffre said, was make it a 20 year armistice. By breaking up the German Empire, like they did with AH and Ottoman Empire, it would have prevented all attempts at German European power grabs. Also, by giving Italy what they had agreed to would have possibly prevented fascism from taking over. The punishment was punitive and should have included more direct control over German influences and relations.

Actually quick correction the French were the first to use gas in WW1 though it was tear gas and the Germans were the first to use mustard gas. I agree with almost everything else I do disagree that Germany did not have to enter or that comparing Greece to Belgium is a bad example.

[The New California Republic]

Unfortunately, nobody truly won this war.

Judging by the terms that strongly favoured the Allies, I think that you have a revisionist view of history that is unjustified, the motivating reasons for which I cannot really explain...

For those who have known my NSG posting history, you know that I love Prussia and the German Empire. ... Fighting for their homeland, only to find a defeat at the end of the road with their nations destroyed. Gott mit ihr, und Gott mit unser Kaiser!

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...Ah. Right. That explains it...

[Internationalist Bastard]

Let us never forget the lessons of the First World War
War should not be undertaken lightly

[Internationalist Bastard]

Unfortunately, nobody truly won this war.

Judging by the terms that strongly favoured the Allies, I think that you have a revisionist view of history that is unjustified, the motivating reasons for which I cannot really explain...

For those who have known my NSG posting history, you know that I love Prussia and the German Empire. ... Fighting for their homeland, only to find a defeat at the end of the road with their nations destroyed. Gott mit ihr, und Gott mit unser Kaiser!

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...Ah. Right. That explains it...

It’s people like this who ruin my ironic praising of the German Empire

[Frievolk]

Let us never forget the lessons of the First World War
War should not be undertaken lightly

Nobody should ever forgive the idiots who unironically sent millions into a bloody and eventually pointless war with the initial expectation that "Meh, they'll be home by Christmas", and then continued to send them in when Christmas came around and they were still fighting.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Let us never forget the lessons of the First World War
War should not be undertaken lightly

Nobody should ever forgive the idiots who unironically sent millions into a bloody and eventually pointless war with the initial expectation that "Meh, they'll be home by Christmas", and then continued to send them in when Christmas came around and they were still fighting.

It truest was a nightmare that only got millions killed over pettiness

[Ifreann]

It warms the heart to see NSG gloss over the millions of death and get right to the important stuff, the rights of the belligerent empires involved.

[Engleberg]

Judging by the terms that strongly favoured the Allies, I think that you have a revisionist view of history that is unjustified, the motivating reasons for which I cannot really explain...


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...Ah. Right. That explains it...

It’s people like this who ruin my ironic praising of the German Empire

I don’t see a problem with someone praising the best form of Germany, tbh

[Petrolheadia]

It’s people like this who ruin my ironic praising of the German Empire

I don’t see a problem with someone praising the best form of Germany, tbh

I'd rather have the one without discrimination, thank you.

[Senkaku]

It warms the heart to see NSG gloss over the millions of death and get right to the important stuff, the rights of the belligerent empires involved.

I mean, they're already dead, so now all that's left is to decide who to blame.

[The New California Republic]

It’s people like this who ruin my ironic praising of the German Empire

I don’t see a problem with someone praising the best form of Germany, tbh

"Best form of Germany".

*Involved in starting a world war, lost the war and was swept away by Revolution in 1918*

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It warms the heart to see NSG gloss over the millions of death and get right to the important stuff, the rights of the belligerent empires involved.

Don't worry, I have visited the graves of my relatives who died in the trenches, as well as many other cemeteries in France, I'm acutely aware of the sacrifices and suffering involved.

[Chan Island]

It warms the heart to see NSG gloss over the millions of death and get right to the important stuff, the rights of the belligerent empires involved.

In fairness, there were opinions about the treaty that ended the war in the OP. It was inevitable that would happen.

And gosh darn it, NSG is full of terrible people anyway so there's that too.

[Saiwania]

It warms the heart to see NSG gloss over the millions of death and get right to the important stuff, the rights of the belligerent empires involved.

Human life is cheap. There are around 8 billion in this world. We will eventually need one or more new world wars to go back down to a more stable population. That would be best in my view. Simply take nukes off of the table and let the new fight for empire and glory commence.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I don’t see a problem with someone praising the best form of Germany, tbh

"Best form of Germany".

*Involved in starting a world war, lost the war and was swept away by Revolution in 1918*

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It warms the heart to see NSG gloss over the millions of death and get right to the important stuff, the rights of the belligerent empires involved.

Don't worry, I have visited the graves of my relatives who died in the trenches, as well as many other cemeteries in France, I'm acutely aware of the sacrifices and suffering involved.

"There was the German Empire! All organised, Very Prussian! Build zine empire, build zine empire. And then they would celebrate with a World War!... and then lose the whole fucking empire by the end of the war"

"And the Austro Hungarian Empire, famous for FUCK ALL! All it did was slowly collapse like a flan in a cupboard"

[Bienenhalde]

I don’t see a problem with someone praising the best form of Germany, tbh

"Best form of Germany".
*Involved in starting a world war, lost the war and was swept away by Revolution in 1918*

Tbf, the German Empire made a huge mistake by enacting the Schlieffen Plan and invading Belgium. If only Germany had not made that colossal mistake, Britain and America would never have entered the war and the Central Powers could have won. And in that case. perhaps the German Empire would survive to this day.

[Chernoslavia]

A moment of silence.

[Senkaku]

"Best form of Germany".
*Involved in starting a world war, lost the war and was swept away by Revolution in 1918*

Tbf, the German Empire made a huge mistake by enacting the Schlieffen Plan and invading Belgium. If only Germany had not made that colossal mistake, Britain and America would never have entered the war and the Central Powers could have won. And in that case. perhaps the German Empire would survive to this day.

I mean, if you're German high command, what other option do you have? You can either attack across the heavily fortified French border and take massive losses, or you can adopt a defensive posture and have a huge portion of your army tied down in the west when you desperately need them in the east to fight the Russians, and either way the British may well intervene anyways because as someone noted earlier, the French fleet is in the Mediterranean thanks to their alliance.

The idea was to knock France out of the war quickly, which then might at least make the situation against Britain more manageable.

[Washington Resistance Army]

RIP Austria-Hungary

[Internationalist Bastard]

It warms the heart to see NSG gloss over the millions of death and get right to the important stuff, the rights of the belligerent empires involved.

Human life is cheap. There are around 8 billion in this world. We will eventually need one or more new world wars to go back down to a more stable population. That would be best in my view. Simply take nukes off of the table and let the new fight for empire and glory commence.

I take you it you volunteer to die from shrapnel embedded in you, while you feel yourself fade out from existence, with no ability to do anything but scream

[Saiwania]

I take you it you volunteer to die from shrapnel embedded in you, while you feel yourself fade out from existence, with no ability to do anything but scream

I will die whenever fate decides it to be so. My life only has value to myself. If I should die now, the fact remains that it is of no importance. The world will be able to continue on as normal. I'm quite certain anyways, that I wouldn't make my local obituaries. I'm no Stalin or Hitler where the entire world has immortalized me as history.

[Internationalist Bastard]

I take you it you volunteer to die from shrapnel embedded in you, while you feel yourself fade out from existence, with no ability to do anything but scream

I will die whenever fate decides it to be so. My life only has value to myself. If I should die now, the fact remains that it is of no importance. The world will be able to continue on as normal. I'm quite certain anyways, that I wouldn't make my local obituaries. I'm no Stalin or Hitler where the entire world has immortalized me as history.

One should not mistake the void of death as one that will not effect others, nor should one assume that peace comes with it