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Postby Reikoku » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:08 pm

Because I have faith in the Buddha and he has declared that there are worlds other than this one, some of them heaven and others hell, where gods, ghosts, and demons exist in.

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Postby United Capitalist Federations » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:11 pm

Although horrible, despicable things happen all the time throughout the world, the amount of good and the perseverance of humanity makes me believe there is no way that a God doesn't exist, in some form. Even if He does just keep watch and not really do anything, or if he actually takes a more active role.
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Postby Helensburgh » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:17 pm

I don't believe. I wasn't raised to be religious, thankfully, and I was turned off from religion from an early age by the religious (I didn't like the scripture, I didn't like the messages, and later on I didn't appreciate the conflict with my sexuality), and I've been properly atheist ever since.
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Postby Dark Socialism » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:19 pm

There is objective value in spiritual traditions, my parents raised me Atheist but my dad had a bunch of Hindu and Catholic books from his childhood and college on his shelf so that helped with my religious views then I got introduced into Occultism in 2016 with 4chan chaos magic, Anime Tulpamancy and Julius Evola.
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Postby Bartilia » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:21 pm

The Bible makes me believe.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:55 pm

That the Apostles, who witnessed the miracles intimately, died for their belief in Christ. They would have known if the religion was false, so that they believed to death fills me with faith.
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Postby Hatterleigh » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:04 pm

I've been influenced a lot in my religion by the teachings of Aquinas, and the idea of a monotheistic god just seems to click with me. Something infinite, sitting above time and space. As far as why I think it's christianity in particular, it seems to have the most going for it compared to the others. Hinduism developed over thousands of years, not by one event. Buddhism is barely even a religion and has no God, classical polytheism is just plain nonsensical in my mind, and I haven't really seen a good argument for islam yet but i'd like to read up on that more.
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Postby US-SSR » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:04 pm

I begin to tire of the question "do you believe or not and if so why or why not?" I find questions like "what do I have to do next to lead the best life I am capable of" much more interesting and productive.

United Progressive State wrote:...5: Why are we so superior next to other animals by our intelligence? ...


5a. We're not so superior next to other animals. An unarmed human would be an easy lunch for pretty much any predator.

5b. Darwin said nonhuman intelligence is different from human in degree, not in kind. Either:

5b1. Some supernatural force, God if you must, endowed each created being with exactly the characteristics each required, or

5b2. The intelligence of each being evolved to suit the conditions it encountered. I pick this one.

5c. Either way, the mere fact that beings possess a quality called intelligence and that different beings possess it in different degrees is neither proof nor disproof of a God or gods.
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Postby US-SSR » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:06 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:That the Apostles, who witnessed the miracles intimately, died for their belief in Christ. They would have known if the religion was false, so that they believed to death fills me with faith.


Then the Branch Davidians must be correct because so many of them died for their beliefs, right? Does that not fill you with faith in David Koresh?

Bartilia wrote:The Bible makes me believe.


The Bible makes you believe in the truth of the Bible makes you believe in the truth of the Bible makes you believe in the truth of the Bible makes you. Circular argument or Gertrude Stein poem?
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We're not going to control the pandemic!

It is a slaughter and not just a political dispute.

"The scraps of narcissism, the rotten remnants of conspiracy theories, the offal of sour grievance, the half-eaten bits of resentment flow by. They do not cohere. But they move in the same, insistent current of self, self, self."

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:09 pm

US-SSR wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:That the Apostles, who witnessed the miracles intimately, died for their belief in Christ. They would have known if the religion was false, so that they believed to death fills me with faith.


Then the Branch Davidians must be correct because so many of them died for their beliefs, right? Does that not fill you with faith in David Koresh?

Bartilia wrote:The Bible makes me believe.


The Bible makes you believe in the truth of the Bible makes you believe in the truth of the Bible makes you believe in the truth of the Bible makes you. Circuar argument or Gertrude Stein poem?

Did any of them see the miracles of Christ and witness the resurrection?
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Postby US-SSR » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:13 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
US-SSR wrote:
Then the Branch Davidians must be correct because so many of them died for their beliefs, right? Does that not fill you with faith in David Koresh?



The Bible makes you believe in the truth of the Bible makes you believe in the truth of the Bible makes you believe in the truth of the Bible makes you. Circuar argument or Gertrude Stein poem?

Did any of them see the miracles of Christ and witness the resurrection?


I don't know. Did the Apostles? Was there a resurrection? The disciples of Appolonius of Tyana said they witnessed miracles, should we be filled with faith in him?
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We're not going to control the pandemic!

It is a slaughter and not just a political dispute.

"The scraps of narcissism, the rotten remnants of conspiracy theories, the offal of sour grievance, the half-eaten bits of resentment flow by. They do not cohere. But they move in the same, insistent current of self, self, self."

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Postby Hatterleigh » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:14 pm

US-SSR wrote:I begin to tire of the question "do you believe or not and if so why or why not?" I find questions like "what do I have to do next to lead the best life I am capable of" much more interesting and productive.

United Progressive State wrote:...5: Why are we so superior next to other animals by our intelligence? ...


5a. We're not so superior next to other animals. An unarmed human would be an easy lunch for pretty much any predator.

5b. Darwin said nonhuman intelligence is different from human in degree, not in kind. Either:

5b1. Some supernatural force, God if you must, endowed each created being with exactly the characteristics each required, or

5b2. The intelligence of each being evolved to suit the conditions it encountered. I pick this one.

5c. Either way, the mere fact that beings possess a quality called intelligence and that different beings possess it in different degrees is neither proof nor disproof of a God or gods.

I wasn't aware that trying to debate random religious people on NS forums is part of what you have to do to lead the best life you're capable of...
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Postby US-SSR » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:15 pm

Hatterleigh wrote:
US-SSR wrote:I begin to tire of the question "do you believe or not and if so why or why not?" I find questions like "what do I have to do next to lead the best life I am capable of" much more interesting and productive.



5a. We're not so superior next to other animals. An unarmed human would be an easy lunch for pretty much any predator.

5b. Darwin said nonhuman intelligence is different from human in degree, not in kind. Either:

5b1. Some supernatural force, God if you must, endowed each created being with exactly the characteristics each required, or

5b2. The intelligence of each being evolved to suit the conditions it encountered. I pick this one.

5c. Either way, the mere fact that beings possess a quality called intelligence and that different beings possess it in different degrees is neither proof nor disproof of a God or gods.

I wasn't aware that trying to debate random religious people on NS forums is part of what you have to do to lead the best life you're capable of...


When I can't think of anything better to do it sometimes might be.
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It is a slaughter and not just a political dispute.

"The scraps of narcissism, the rotten remnants of conspiracy theories, the offal of sour grievance, the half-eaten bits of resentment flow by. They do not cohere. But they move in the same, insistent current of self, self, self."

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:16 pm

US-SSR wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Did any of them see the miracles of Christ and witness the resurrection?


I don't know. Did the Apostles? Was there a resurrection? The disciples of Appolonius of Tyana said they witnessed miracles, should we be filled with faith in him?

The apostles claimed there was, and they died for that belief. Why would they die for it if they were lying about what they witnessed?
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Postby Hatterleigh » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:17 pm

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Hatterleigh wrote:I wasn't aware that trying to debate random religious people on NS forums is part of what you have to do to lead the best life you're capable of...


When I can't think of anything better to do it sometimes might be.

Seems childish.
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Postby US-SSR » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:19 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
US-SSR wrote:

I don't know. Did the Apostles? Was there a resurrection? The disciples of Appolonius of Tyana said they witnessed miracles, should we be filled with faith in him?

The apostles claimed there was, and they died for that belief. Why would they die for it if they were lying about what they witnessed?


Because those who die for their beliefs are sometimes mistaken and/or delusional.

Hatterleigh wrote:
US-SSR wrote:
When I can't think of anything better to do it sometimes might be.

Seems childish.


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He called a little child to him, and placed the child among them. And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. Therefore, whoever takes the lowly position of this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
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We're not going to control the pandemic!

It is a slaughter and not just a political dispute.

"The scraps of narcissism, the rotten remnants of conspiracy theories, the offal of sour grievance, the half-eaten bits of resentment flow by. They do not cohere. But they move in the same, insistent current of self, self, self."

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:20 pm

US-SSR wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The apostles claimed there was, and they died for that belief. Why would they die for it if they were lying about what they witnessed?


Because those who die for their beliefs are sometimes mistaken and/or delusional.

All of the dozens of people who did?
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Postby Senkaku » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:22 pm

I mean, I don't dismiss the possibility of some kind of deity, but a lot of the stories in various holy books have been pretty much proven to be bullshit by science, which makes me uninclined to believe any particular religion's specific take on what God/the gods' deal is. I've yet to have any huge miracle or catastrophe happen in my life that's un-attributable to anything but divine intervention, and also if there is an omni-God (omnipotent, omnipresent, etc) as some believe then I have had enough bad shit happen to me or people I care about and seen enough bad shit happening in the world that I also don't really think they'd be worth worshiping even if they are real (which is unproven anyways, so not really a concern).
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Postby Ungvarnfjall » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:24 pm

I believe in my gods because they are primarily what I feel is real to me. I was born christian, and I quite simply never felt a connection to it. I was happy to see others' triumph and pride in their faith, but it wasn't right for me. I researched just about every religion from A to Z, experimenting in many, and I settled on paganism. I felt a connection to the Gods unlike in christian churches or when I messaged a Buddhist monk, and so it is under this faith i remain.
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Postby US-SSR » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:25 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
US-SSR wrote:
Because those who die for their beliefs are sometimes mistaken and/or delusional.

All of the dozens of people who did?


Eleven dozens died in Waco for their beliefs. I saw it on TV.
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We're not going to control the pandemic!

It is a slaughter and not just a political dispute.

"The scraps of narcissism, the rotten remnants of conspiracy theories, the offal of sour grievance, the half-eaten bits of resentment flow by. They do not cohere. But they move in the same, insistent current of self, self, self."

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:25 pm

US-SSR wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:All of the dozens of people who did?


Eleven dozens died in Waco for their beliefs. I saw it on TV.

And what made their beliefs so special?
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Postby US-SSR » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:31 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
US-SSR wrote:
Eleven dozens died in Waco for their beliefs. I saw it on TV.

And what made their beliefs so special?


That they died for them.

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We're not going to control the pandemic!

It is a slaughter and not just a political dispute.

"The scraps of narcissism, the rotten remnants of conspiracy theories, the offal of sour grievance, the half-eaten bits of resentment flow by. They do not cohere. But they move in the same, insistent current of self, self, self."

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:32 pm

US-SSR wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:And what made their beliefs so special?


That they died for them.

What about their beliefs was something that couldn't easily be faked?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:33 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
US-SSR wrote:
That they died for them.

What about their beliefs was something that couldn't easily be faked?

Why would they die for it if they were lying about what they witnessed?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:35 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:What about their beliefs was something that couldn't easily be faked?

Why would they die for it if they were lying about what they witnessed?

What did they claim to witness that was special?
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