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Postby Hystaria » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:35 am

I don't believe in gods, even if there is no full proof against gods, there is no full proof against that the world was made in a jar. Its just probability, cause the beginning of the universe and everything about religion tries to tell, is just highly improbable.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:36 am

No gods have deigned to converse with me - they're probably intimidated - so I have no basis to choose any particular faith and sect thereof over any of the others.

If there is a god or gods, I would seem to have a vanishingly small chance of picking the correct one. Given the extraordinary odds that anything I'd chose would not be heresy it seems better not to play until I receive some direct advice. They should be quite aware of this and can hardly hold it against me.
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Postby Teachian » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:39 am

Born a Catholic, but lapsed now (basically athiest/nontheist).

Looking back, I could have possibly become an agnostic Christian, but that’d mostly be cultural rather than religious. I am 100% okay with everyone’s faith as long as they’re okay with my lack of it, so everything I say is from my perspective, rather than an attack on their belief.

I didn’t really lose my faith as much as realize I never really had it. I tried really hard when I was younger, but looking back I doubt I ever believed as much as wanted to believe. I was a good Catholic boy, my parents took me to Church, Sunday school, and even a private Christian school. But even as I tried, it was always a responsibility, something I did because it was what my family did, so it’s kind of ironic that the first challenge to my faith wasn’t from learning about atheism, but other forms of Christianity. When I got into a public high school and learnt more about religion in philosophy and history, it just felt that I was Roman Catholic only because I was born into it, and I didn’t have any reason to be any other religion. I still have a personal fascination with the role it plays in others’ lives, and I can honestly appreciate it when it does good by others. But it just never played something in mine, and I feel a lot happier and healthier when I don’t have to pretend it does.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:41 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:No gods have deigned to converse with me - they're probably intimidated - so I have no basis to choose any particular faith and sect thereof over any of the others.

If there is a god or gods, I would seem to have a vanishingly small chance of picking the correct one. Given the extraordinary odds that anything I'd chose would not be heresy it seems better not to play until I receive some direct advice. They should be quite aware of this and can hardly hold it against me.


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Postby A m e n r i a » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:42 am

One reason I believe in Islam is because there are awesome things out there that God made and/or allowed to happen (like Prophet Muhammad riding a pegasus to visit both Hell and Heaven..you gotta admit that's pretty badass) and weird and creepy shite I've experienced to convince me that the other side exists.

Of course, facts aren't the only thing keeping me in Islam. There's also an emotional factor to it I can't really explain in English. Hell, I'm not sure I can even explain it in Indonesian. :lol:
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Postby Heloin » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:49 am

I believe one day the Great Old One will emerge from the South Pacific and cleanse the Earth as we know it. Such is the cycle.

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Postby Kilobugya » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:49 am

A m e n r i a wrote:One reason I believe in Islam is because there are awesome things out there that God made and/or allowed to happen (like Prophet Muhammad riding a pegasus to visit both Hell and Heaven..you gotta admit that's pretty badass)


You're aware it's just a legend like the thousands of legends existing in thousands of civilizations all around history and geography, right ? And there isn't the slightest shred of evidence that it actually happened more than any other of those legends, from the Sepa Inca being born from the Sun, to the tale of Promotheus or Fenrir eating the right of hand of Tyr ?
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:53 am

Evidence would make me believe.

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:55 am

A m e n r i a wrote:One reason I believe in Islam is because there are awesome things out there that God made and/or allowed to happen (like Prophet Muhammad riding a pegasus to visit both Hell and Heaven..you gotta admit that's pretty badass) and weird and creepy shite I've experienced to convince me that the other side exists.

Of course, facts aren't the only thing keeping me in Islam. There's also an emotional factor to it I can't really explain in English. Hell, I'm not sure I can even explain it in Indonesian. :lol:

like Prophet Muhammad riding a pegasus to visit both Hell and Heaven

PFFFFFFFTTTTTTT HOLY SHIT WHAT :lol:

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Postby A m e n r i a » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:55 am

Kilobugya wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:One reason I believe in Islam is because there are awesome things out there that God made and/or allowed to happen (like Prophet Muhammad riding a pegasus to visit both Hell and Heaven..you gotta admit that's pretty badass)


You're aware it's just a legend like the thousands of legends existing in thousands of civilizations all around history and geography, right ? And there isn't the slightest shred of evidence that it actually happened more than any other of those legends, from the Sepa Inca being born from the Sun, to the tale of Promotheus or Fenrir eating the right of hand of Tyr ?


Yea, no. The Quran is 100% factual because it comes directly from God, although the physical words are written by humans (dicatition). I do think some, if not many legends are real though, and I know the ones from Jogja have a semblance of truth in them (teleporting swords, anyone?)
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:57 am

Les Etats Connuriste wrote:The thing is to me, however, is that science only goes so far in it's explanations of the universe and how it came to be. There's a lot of it we just flat out don't know, and subscription to science and science alone functions as sort of a belief system of its own.

A common misunderstanding, science is not a belief system but a tool or method which humans use to understand the world around us.

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:00 am

A m e n r i a wrote:
Kilobugya wrote:
You're aware it's just a legend like the thousands of legends existing in thousands of civilizations all around history and geography, right ? And there isn't the slightest shred of evidence that it actually happened more than any other of those legends, from the Sepa Inca being born from the Sun, to the tale of Promotheus or Fenrir eating the right of hand of Tyr ?


Yea, no. The Quran is 100% factual because it comes directly from God, although the physical words are written by humans (dicatition). I do think some, if not many legends are real though, and I know the ones from Jogja have a semblance of truth in them (teleporting swords, anyone?)

-The Quran is 100% factual
-Pegasi are real
Pick only one

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:02 am

Heloin wrote:I believe one day the Great Old One will emerge from the South Pacific and cleanse the Earth as we know it. Such is the cycle.

Cthulhu already rose.

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Postby Kobusa » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:04 am

Marginia wrote:I believe that my faith is a gift from God. While the Christian world-view isn't in conflict with reason, faith can't arise from reasoning and natural knowledge alone but requires divine revelation, additionally. Still, the more I read the Bible, the more I can see how much sense it makes.


This.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:05 am

Genivaria wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:
Yea, no. The Quran is 100% factual because it comes directly from God, although the physical words are written by humans (dicatition). I do think some, if not many legends are real though, and I know the ones from Jogja have a semblance of truth in them (teleporting swords, anyone?)

-The Quran is 100% factual
-Pegasi are real
Pick only one


If pegasi were real, capitalism would have ensured us to have pegasi burgers.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:08 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:
Genivaria wrote:-The Quran is 100% factual
-Pegasi are real
Pick only one


If pegasi were real, capitalism would have ensured us to have pegasi burgers.

Also cavalry charges would've involved air raids.

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Postby Heloin » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:08 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Heloin wrote:I believe one day the Great Old One will emerge from the South Pacific and cleanse the Earth as we know it. Such is the cycle.

Cthulhu already rose.

He's a NSG poster now

Do not speak one of the Great Old One's name so casually! The great cleansing is very different from posting here, for the end times take time to plan out properly (lunch breaks and making sure schedules match up, ending all life is a pain in the ass).

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Postby Kilobugya » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:12 am

A m e n r i a wrote:Yea, no. The Quran is 100% factual because it comes directly from God, although the physical words are written by humans (dicatition).


That's a circular proof, and therefore is invalid. You just can't say the Quran is true because the Quran says it comes from God. Or I could just do the same and proclaim myself God.

And btw, are you aware that pegasus _can't_ exist ? Nothing made of flesh and bones, of the size of a horse, can fly by flapping wings, due to volume being cubic and surface being quadratic, right ? It would require wings so large bones would break (and muscles would be unable to flap them).
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Postby Russiyskaya Respublica » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:13 am

I don't believe in god because religion was never forced down my throat, my dad is atheist(Which probably has something to do with him being from the USSR), as are most of my friends, close family etc.
Personally, there is just not enough evidence for the existence of an all-powerful entity, and especially not enough evidence for any of the Abrahamic gods, who's to say that our god isn't Azathoth or Hastur?
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:20 am

Kilobugya wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:Yea, no. The Quran is 100% factual because it comes directly from God, although the physical words are written by humans (dicatition).


That's a circular proof, and therefore is invalid. You just can't say the Quran is true because the Quran says it comes from God. Or I could just do the same and proclaim myself God.

Pretty much this

The bible comes from God, the Hindu Texts come from Vishnu, Confucianism was made by a real physical person that we can see and feel (if he was still alive), and The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster was inspired by his noodly appendages
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:24 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Kilobugya wrote:
That's a circular proof, and therefore is invalid. You just can't say the Quran is true because the Quran says it comes from God. Or I could just do the same and proclaim myself God.

Pretty much this

The bible comes from God, the Hindu Texts come from Vishnu, Confucianism was made by a real physical person that we can see and feel (if he was still alive), and The Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster was inspired by his noodly appendages


Isn't said gospel not just an overrated cookbook? :unsure:
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Postby Mardla » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:32 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:No gods have deigned to converse with me - they're probably intimidated - so I have no basis to choose any particular faith and sect thereof over any of the others.

If there is a god or gods, I would seem to have a vanishingly small chance of picking the correct one. Given the extraordinary odds that anything I'd chose would not be heresy it seems better not to play until I receive some direct advice. They should be quite aware of this and can hardly hold it against me.

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Postby Fractalnavel » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:32 am

The blAAtschApen wrote:Isn't said gospel not just an overrated cookbook? :unsure:


One might say much the same thing about parts of the new testament...

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Postby Luziyca » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:36 am

I don't know whether a God or many Gods exist, but at the same time, I want to believe that there is.

Maybe I'll just declare myself God.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:38 am

Luziyca wrote:I don't know whether a God or many Gods exist, but at the same time, I want to believe that there is.

Maybe I'll just declare myself God.


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