ANTIFA Mob Vandalizes Tucker Carlson’s Home

[Tarsonis]

You know, it was a perfectly serviceable pesticide before its more famous application....

The Nazis considered Jews to be pests after all. Using chemicals agents would have been acknowledging them human.

True, but it did have legitimate agricultural applications when it was first developed. Just saying.

[Liriena]

Yeah, these grandparents who love Ghandi and Martin Luther, but views the modern left “for going to far”

Obviously racist.

You make their point.

"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councillor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically feels that he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time; and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
“I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic…capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”
“A riot is the language of the unheard.”
your grandparents would fucking hate mlk if they knew what he stood for.

Don't ever let right-wingers and "centrists" forget that the man whose legacy they have appropriated and retroactively turned into a lame-ass, inoffensive myth about civility and moderation to use as a cudgel against black people today was, in fact, the most hated man in white America's eyes at the time of his murder, and a very radical man at that.

[Kaggeceria]

So the police are reflective of how scared she was? Really?

Pretty much, yeah. If she'd really have been calling 911 in a terrified panic, begging for the police to save her from a dangerous mob, they would probably have taken that seriously and dispatched a lot of cars and started arresting people as soon as they arrived. Instead what they did is send one car, which arrived as people were already leaving, and the officers let them all go because they didn't do anything wrong, except the vandalism, and I guess they didn't see which person did that and didn't think it was worth the trouble of arresting everyone present to search them all for spray paint. We can infer from the police response that the 911 call was most likely a complaint from someone who wanted the loud people outside her house to fuck off.

It is, of course, theoretically possible that the police got a call begging for help from a dangerous mob and for some reason didn't really care and just sent a token response to see what was up, but that seems pretty unlikely, especially when we consider that the call would have been coming from the rich part of town.

Somehow I don't think you know all that much about what the standard police response is for such situations.

Not really. There's a few Tucker Carlsons. The one that lives in Washington DC does not publically show his address. It simply shows what city he lives in.

[Redacted]

You didn't even bother to check before typing that out, did you?

[Redacted pending mod confirmation that I would not be doxxing Tucker Carlson by explaining how I confirmed that his address is publicly listed]

Alrighty. That's... interesting.

"What happened, honey?"
"They where slamming against the door!"

Literally that easy.

Here's the thing, though. I don't believe Tucker Carlson. Not when he says that there was damage to the door and there are photographs of the door undamaged and, reportedly, no mention of damage to the door in the police report.

Doors, as I said, can be repaired and replaced. And police reports do not always include everything.

But they do.

But perhaps you could enlighten me as to what they meant.

I figure they meant that they'll come and protest at his house some more if he doesn't stop boosting white nationalists. Which is a redundant thing to say when you are already protesting outside someone's house, but hardly a threat of violence.

Or they wanted him to know that he isn't safe in his home.

But, uh, sure. Keep being an apologist.

No, there is not. And you've explained nothing as to what the substantive difference between those two synonymous statements is.

Right, and what was the purpose and context behind their chant?

The context was a protest against Tucker Carlson and his far-right rhetoric, the likes of which inspired the bombing campaign and synagogue shooting.

Fucking hell, man, I shouldn't need to tell you where this protest happened. You know the context.

His rhetoric inspired nothing. He has never called for violence.

You, on the other hand, seem perfectly fine with violence and intimidation tactics.

Uh, I don't know how to tell you this but a stick is not a door.

But wood is wood.

Oh my gods, you know that wood is what trees are made of, right?

I see I need to break out the crayons again.

A door is thicker than a stick. Cracks in doors can more easily be repaired. For fucks' sake.

And I've already explained to you it can be replaced so I see no point in continuing this line of thought any further. Move along.


Not really.

[Redacted]

It was posted by the group which organized the protest. Which, ya know, says a lot about their intentions and gives more credence to their threats.

What does it say about their intention, exactly?

That they're attempting to intimidate him and make him feel unsafe in his own home by sharing his address with every fucking crazy leftist on Twitter. Kind of syncs in well with them threatening him.

[Senkaku]

Pretty much, yeah. If she'd really have been calling 911 in a terrified panic, begging for the police to save her from a dangerous mob, they would probably have taken that seriously and dispatched a lot of cars and started arresting people as soon as they arrived. Instead what they did is send one car, which arrived as people were already leaving, and the officers let them all go because they didn't do anything wrong, except the vandalism, and I guess they didn't see which person did that and didn't think it was worth the trouble of arresting everyone present to search them all for spray paint. We can infer from the police response that the 911 call was most likely a complaint from someone who wanted the loud people outside her house to fuck off.

It is, of course, theoretically possible that the police got a call begging for help from a dangerous mob and for some reason didn't really care and just sent a token response to see what was up, but that seems pretty unlikely, especially when we consider that the call would have been coming from the rich part of town.

Somehow I don't think you know all that much about what the standard police response is for such situations.

...I mean, that seems like a pretty good and well-reasoned inference, actually, regardless of whatever snide remarks you'd care to hit Iffy with over their lack of experience with police dispatching. Do you actually see any problems with the logic, besides not liking the conclusion it arrives at? If so, maybe raise those instead of just meaninglessly needling people over irrelevant shit about their career paths.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I'd rather be accused of being optimistic in humanity and naive than becoming dogmatically entrenched in zealous political hooliganism for fanatical tribe A or fanatical tribe B.

If there is one thing we actually take away from the political and social changes of the last couple of years is how little tribalists are interested in solving the problem of polarisation, and far more interested in dragging everyone else down into the shit.

tag yourself im the zealous political hooliganist who wants to destroy free speech by not liking white nationalist rhetoric

You literally do want to destroy free speech though. You said that Nazis and their associates should have their rights taken away, that is incompatible with free speech.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Because Hitler had a larger fanbase 70 years ago that must mean that there's a Neo-Nazi conspiracy today.

Sure.

1 in 10 say it's acceptable to hold neo-Nazi views

Define "acceptable."

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

your grandparents are racist as all hell.

Yeah, these grandparents who love Ghandi and Martin Luther, but views the modern left “for going to far”

Obviously racist.

You make their point.

They aren’t racist they just don’t want all those upity black people and Jews in their nation?

Nah, they started calling themselves “white nationalists” around the time “its ok to be white” came around. They aren’t about that ethno crap. They just think the lefts going to far, and think they jump to conclusions to easily, the above quote they would view as a reactionary leftists who’s throwing the term “racist” to generously.

Then, no offense, but they're really dumb.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councillor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically feels that he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time; and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
“I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic…capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”
“A riot is the language of the unheard.”
your grandparents would fucking hate mlk if they knew what he stood for.

Don't ever let right-wingers and "centrists" forget that the man whose legacy they have appropriated and retroactively turned into a lame-ass, inoffensive myth about civility and moderation to use as a cudgel against black people today was, in fact, the most hated man in white America's eyes at the time of his murder, and a very radical man at that.

Which obviously explains why the government felt pressured to introduce legislation... proposed by a man who white America hates, and why the entire nation was shook and heartbroken when a man who white america hates died, and why the pre-1966 civil rights movement had plenty of white people.

Also, can we stop the conflation of direct action with political violence. Can you stop going "Are you opposed to riots and political violence? Well, MLK supports direct action, so gotcha!" They're not the same thing.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Yeah, these grandparents who love Ghandi and Martin Luther, but views the modern left “for going to far”

Obviously racist.

You make their point.

"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councillor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically feels that he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time; and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
“I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic…capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”
“A riot is the language of the unheard.”
your grandparents would fucking hate mlk if they knew what he stood for.

Apparently, believing the left has gone too far necessitates being opposed to the direct action methods undertaken by the civil rights movement.

And, the third quote is out of context. It is an explanation of riots, not an endorsement of them.

[Tarsonis]

"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councillor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically feels that he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time; and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
“I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic…capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”
“A riot is the language of the unheard.”
your grandparents would fucking hate mlk if they knew what he stood for.

Apparently, believing the left has gone too far necessitates being opposed to the direct action methods undertaken by the civil rights movement.

And, the third quote is out of context. It is an explanation of riots, not an endorsement of them.

No man. Sit ins are totes the same as burning down UC Berkeley.

[US-SSR]

Tucker Carlson a white nationalist? So tell me, who at this point doesn’t meet far left’s criteria of being a white nationalist?

People who are not white nationalists, QED.

[Ifreann]

Pretty much, yeah. If she'd really have been calling 911 in a terrified panic, begging for the police to save her from a dangerous mob, they would probably have taken that seriously and dispatched a lot of cars and started arresting people as soon as they arrived. Instead what they did is send one car, which arrived as people were already leaving, and the officers let them all go because they didn't do anything wrong, except the vandalism, and I guess they didn't see which person did that and didn't think it was worth the trouble of arresting everyone present to search them all for spray paint. We can infer from the police response that the 911 call was most likely a complaint from someone who wanted the loud people outside her house to fuck off.

It is, of course, theoretically possible that the police got a call begging for help from a dangerous mob and for some reason didn't really care and just sent a token response to see what was up, but that seems pretty unlikely, especially when we consider that the call would have been coming from the rich part of town.

Somehow I don't think you know all that much about what the standard police response is for such situations.

I don't think one needs to be deeply enmeshed in police procedure to realise that one car is not the police response to a crazed mob of violent hoodlums trying to break into a person's home.

[Redacted pending mod confirmation that I would not be doxxing Tucker Carlson by explaining how I confirmed that his address is publicly listed]

Alrighty. That's... interesting.

Mod verdict was a big ol' No, so that won't be happening.

Here's the thing, though. I don't believe Tucker Carlson. Not when he says that there was damage to the door and there are photographs of the door undamaged and, reportedly, no mention of damage to the door in the police report.

Doors, as I said, can be repaired and replaced. And police reports do not always include everything.

Doors can be replaced, but I would expect Carlson to be complaining about the terrible cost and inconvenience of replacing a door, since it greatly benefits him for this to all seem as bad as possible.

I figure they meant that they'll come and protest at his house some more if he doesn't stop boosting white nationalists. Which is a redundant thing to say when you are already protesting outside someone's house, but hardly a threat of violence.

Or they wanted him to know that he isn't safe in his home.

But, uh, sure. Keep being an apologist.

Or they wanted him to know they could come back and be loud and annoying again. But sure, keep acting like the whole population of revolutionary Paris was there with their guillotines.

The context was a protest against Tucker Carlson and his far-right rhetoric, the likes of which inspired the bombing campaign and synagogue shooting.

Fucking hell, man, I shouldn't need to tell you where this protest happened. You know the context.

His rhetoric inspired nothing. He has never called for violence.

You don't need to say "Send bombs to Soros, he's importing immigrants to steal your jobs and rape your women" for someone hearing that to decide to send a bomb to Soros. Just saying the latter bit works as well.

You, on the other hand, seem perfectly fine with violence and intimidation tactics.

Violence can be very useful. I think that apart from extreme pacifists, everyone would agree.

But wood is wood.

Oh my gods, you know that wood is what trees are made of, right?

I see I need to break out the crayons again.

A door is thicker than a stick. Cracks in doors can more easily be repaired. For fucks' sake.

You can glue cracked wood back together, no matter the dimensions involved, but the crack is still there. You can't make a crack in wood just go away and have it be one piece of wood again.

[Redacted]


What does it say about their intention, exactly?

That they're attempting to intimidate him and make him feel unsafe in his own home by sharing his address with every fucking crazy leftist on Twitter. Kind of syncs in well with them threatening him.

Well they can't have shared it with every crazy leftists on Twitter, because I had to go find it on my own. But leaving that aside, a far more likely intention seems to me to be that they wanted more people to join their protest.

[Ifreann]

Apparently, believing the left has gone too far necessitates being opposed to the direct action methods undertaken by the civil rights movement.

And, the third quote is out of context. It is an explanation of riots, not an endorsement of them.

No man. Sit ins are totes the same as burning down UC Berkeley.

[Tarsonis]

Tucker Carlson a white nationalist? So tell me, who at this point doesn’t meet far left’s criteria of being a white nationalist?

People who are not white nationalists, QED.

Tautological nonsense is tautological.

[Sefy the Great]

People who are not white nationalists, QED.

Tautological nonsense is tautological.

of course it is, otherwise it would just be nonsense .

[Tarsonis]

No man. Sit ins are totes the same as burning down UC Berkeley.

What’s the best kind of text? Con-text! Seriously what am I looking at here?

[Sefy the Great]

What’s the best kind of text? Con-text! Seriously what am I looking at here?

it looks like an exploded milk bar.

[Tarsonis]

What’s the best kind of text? Con-text! Seriously what am I looking at here?

it looks like an exploded milk bar.

I can see that, but I need events, dates, names, something. I can post images and label them whatever I want too

[Ifreann]

What’s the best kind of text? Con-text! Seriously what am I looking at here?

The aftermath of a riot in Newark in July, 1967.

[Tarsonis]

What’s the best kind of text? Con-text! Seriously what am I looking at here?

The aftermath of a riot in Newark in July, 1967.

So not a sit in

[Ifreann]

The aftermath of a riot in Newark in July, 1967.

So not a sit in

Bingo.

[Tarsonis]

So not a sit in

Bingo.

Also got to say, after reading the article and reading a transcript of the speech he sites, I conclude that article is propaganda garbage.

[Mercuriuseudoro]

Tautological nonsense is tautological.

There's a deeper level of nonsense going on here, and I'm going to do my best to explain it, since it seems that I haven't been able to effectively communicate what "white nationalism" is.

Full disclosure - I am a paid, full-time media analyst and I am studying these forums for that reason. The media doesn't actually come up with most talking points, it harvests them by dredging places like this. It's easier to crowdsource other people's free labor and test-run talking points in contained spaces. High-volume-output forum autists predict general internet culture by a year, and general internet culture predicts mainstream culture by about a year, if you know where to look - which is everywhere.

Anyway, "white nationalism":

1) There is a leading element in the political left which exercises significant media control and does not identify itself as white. This element actively campaigns for the erosion of the political power of white people on the basis of their race. These people are, broadly speaking, "new Marxists" who noticed that class divisions and racial divisions broadly overlap, and racial conflict broadly overlaps with class conflict.

2) This generates a reaction, and reactionaries, among the "racial bourgeois."

3) These reactionaries are labeled as "neon-nazis" or as "white nationalists" which is a euphemism for the same thing, in order to deny them legitimacy by comparing them to the Germans in World War II.

4) The strategy of labeling Nationalists as "literally Hitler" worked for a while but is not really working any more. It is not working because it has been over-used. It has been over-used by Nationalists, who have intentionally injected it into meme culture and anti-outrage outrage culture, knowing that it loses its edge if it is used enough. It has been over-used by the left, which currently dominates mainstream cultural and media products. They have overused it because they have been baited into doing it, and because it generates clicks or views via shock - but it also disarms the shock.

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This is why it is funny when a random person on the internet in a unanimously liberal forum uses this term as a four letter word, or thinks I am insulting someone when I ask them if they identify with this caricature. This is the great comedy of "It's Okay To Be White."

It is okay to be white.

This meme was constructed specifically to provoke people leftists into outrage, so that normal white people could see them acting offended and feel that these people are anti-white racists. The left took the bait. It worked.

The right feeds off of this outrage, harnesses it, and uses it to bring white people over to their side. The left does this service for them for the same reason they gave a few billion dollars of free press to Donald Trump during the election - they just can't help themselves. The smartest thing to do with this meme would have been to accept it and to incorporate whiteness into the rainbow of acceptable identities. This meme would have quickly died if the left had loved it to death, but instead they fueled it with outrage, and now they wonder why Donald Trump is president.

The other option would be to concede to white people their right to exist and to have their own countries, which the intellectual leadership of the left will never do.

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All Nationalism is ethnic Nationalism.

- Donald Trump says he is a Nationalist
- Donald Trump is white
- Therefore, Donald Trump is a white Nationalist.

The term "nation" comes from latin nat-, "born" and the latin verb "nasci", to be born. The very concept of "nation" is linked to ethnic group. A nation is, and has always been, a political construct meant to serve a particular ethnic group that dominates it. Everyone in the West has the same basic legal system, moral values and economics. Anything based on those is internationalism, not nationalism, because those things are universal and no one really cares about them. People care about "mine" and "yours" and "ours" and "theirs" and they fight wars and draw borders along those lines.

It's very silly to think anyone could keep Darwinian laws out of politics. No one can keep them out of history, and if anyone fails to incorporate them into politics, they will have to contend with them. This all has nothing to do with "neon-nazi-ism" which is actually a made up thing. There is a large contingent of white Americans that support their president, but there is not a significant contingent of neon-nazis, probably because America is not Germany and 2018 is not 1939.

Tucker Carlson speaks to normal white people who do not dress up in historical role-play costumes or participate in gangs. The fact that I even have to explain this shows how silly the mainstream dialectic has become. Many people, however, have not yet understood this. Therefore, political polarization will continue to grow, and the democratic consensus will continue to fracture.

The left does a tremendous service to the Nationalists by treating them with a historical caricature because normal people find this to be absurd and unappealing. It normalizes radical ideology through repetition and radicals on all sides love that about it. If the left ever learns that "neon-nazi-shaming" is not working to contain their opposition, they may one day have to concede that they are not dealing with stormtroopers waving swastika flags, but they are actually dealing with millions of normal white people.

All of this will be because the intellectual leaders of the left would not allow the simplest of concessions:

It's okay to be white.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

You don't need to say "Send bombs to Soros, he's importing immigrants to steal your jobs and rape your women" for someone hearing that to decide to send a bomb to Soros. Just saying the latter bit works as well.

By that logic any expression of dislike towards someone can be considered a tacit call to violence against them.

Violence can be very useful. I think that apart from extreme pacifists, everyone would agree.

Whether an immoral and unethical act is "useful" hardly matters. It is still immoral and unethical.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

No man. Sit ins are totes the same as burning down UC Berkeley.

What am I looking at, and how does it relate to anything MLK participated in or endorsed?