ANTIFA Mob Vandalizes Tucker Carlson’s Home

[Holy Tedalonia]

Yeah, these grandparents who love Ghandi and Martin Luther, but views the modern left “for going to far”

Obviously racist.

You make their point.

Nah, they started calling themselves “white nationalists” around the time “its ok to be white” came around. They aren’t about that ethno crap. They just think the lefts going to far, and think they jump to conclusions to easily, the above quote they would view as a reactionary leftists who’s throwing the term “racist” to generously.

Then they aren’t white nationalists. Just pissed off conservatives

That’s my point though, many pissed off conservatives consider themselves “white nationalists” because they think that the left overreacting to the “Its ok to be white” is a clear sign that the left is being way to “SJW” when relating to race based things.

[Maisiestan]

your grandparents are racist as all hell.

Yeah, these grandparents who love Ghandi and Martin Luther, but views the modern left “for going to far”

Obviously racist.

You make their point.

"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councillor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate who is more devoted to order than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically feels that he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time; and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
“I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic…capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”
“A riot is the language of the unheard.”
your grandparents would fucking hate mlk if they knew what he stood for.

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Then they aren’t white nationalists. Just pissed off conservatives

That’s my point though, many pissed off conservatives consider themselves “white nationalists” because they think that the left overreacting to the “Its ok to be white” is a clear sign that the left is being way to “SJW” when relating to race based things.

So that excuses identifying with racists?

[Maisiestan]

they are, actually. and if you were dedicated to fighting the recent rise of open, blatant, white nationalism that is likely threatening people you know, you'd admit that. before america entered wwii, hitler had a huge amount of american support, and yet america is painted as a staunchly anti-fascist nation.

Because Hitler had a larger fanbase 70 years ago that must mean that there's a Neo-Nazi conspiracy today.

Sure.

1 in 10 say it's acceptable to hold neo-Nazi views

[Free Arabian Nation]

Because Hitler had a larger fanbase 70 years ago that must mean that there's a Neo-Nazi conspiracy today.

Sure.

1 in 10 say it's acceptable to hold neo-Nazi views

.... According to some random internet poll

[Holy Tedalonia]

Yeah, these grandparents who love Ghandi and Martin Luther, but views the modern left “for going to far”

Obviously racist.

You make their point.

"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great
stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councillor or the Ku Klux Klanner but the white moderate
who is more devoted to order than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace
which is the presence of justice; who constantly says, "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods
of direct action"; who paternalistically feels that he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of
time; and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
“I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic…capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”
“A riot is the language of the unheard.”
your grandparents would fucking hate mlk if they knew what he stood for.

So in response you grab a bunch of links and sources, on reasons why my grandparents might not like MLK, or to try to explain why the left isn’t going to far. MLK’s actions ultimately created more peaceful protests more than violent ones, and the fact he made such a good moving arguement on the equality of black people is why my grandparents liked him. They even liked that he had the balls to pick a fight with the clergy in the Birmingham letter. No matter the political view, no matter his eventual view on riots. They believed his impact was great and necessary to cause a great change. Now they may view that the changes they made were good early on, but now just over 60 years, feels like the left has been making more to much overtures over race.

[Maisiestan]

1 in 10 say it's acceptable to hold neo-Nazi views

.... According to some random internet poll

ABC news and the washington post working together in a study is a “random internet poll” now?

[Sicaris]

.... According to some random internet poll

ABC news and the washington post working together in a study is a “random internet poll” now?

>trusting the Washington post

[Holy Tedalonia]

That’s my point though, many pissed off conservatives consider themselves “white nationalists” because they think that the left overreacting to the “Its ok to be white” is a clear sign that the left is being way to “SJW” when relating to race based things.

So that excuses identifying with racists?

They don’t see it as racist, just “a name calling that the left have thrown.” Again the polarization of these times, have made everything more bloody confusing. Lefts don’t want to hear right wing views, and right wont want to listen to the left news. And when they hear things upsetting about what they other side said it only makes everything worse. Isolating yourself between groups makes more outrageous viewpoints which makes people more radical. It happens over everything even if its just cats and dogs. The logic is pretty real

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So that excuses identifying with racists?

They don’t see it as racist, just “a name calling that the left have thrown.” Again the polarization of these times, have made everything more bloody confusing. Lefts don’t want to hear right wing views, and right wont want to listen to the left news. And when they hear things upsetting about what they other side said it only makes everything worse. Isolating yourself between groups makes more outrageous viewpoints which makes people more radical. It happens over everything even if its just cats and dogs. The logic is pretty real

So say someone is a liberal, and they think the right has gone too far, so they start identify as a Stalinist? Does that make sense at all?

[Holy Tedalonia]

They don’t see it as racist, just “a name calling that the left have thrown.” Again the polarization of these times, have made everything more bloody confusing. Lefts don’t want to hear right wing views, and right wont want to listen to the left news. And when they hear things upsetting about what they other side said it only makes everything worse. Isolating yourself between groups makes more outrageous viewpoints which makes people more radical. It happens over everything even if its just cats and dogs. The logic is pretty real

So say someone is a liberal, and they think the right has gone too far, so they start identify as a Stalinist? Does that make sense at all?

No, they’re perception of the other side becomes more warped. My grandparents will only ever see conservative media, and conservative media really hates the left, so when the left overreacts they often don’t think its a big deal, and as such they view white nationalists as a people who just posted a “its ok to be white” poster and getting flack over that. And in agreeing with the “its ok to be white” posters decided they themselves are “white nationalists”

It would be the perception of the left that made them identify, that they were “white nationalist” and it would be the left’s perception that “they’re racist, just because they agree with the ‘Its ok to be white’ statement.

[Tarsonis]

No, my friend, the intention was to see how easy it was to make the left recoil at such a simple and relatively harmless statement.

Honestly, all you're doing is proving their point.

But uh, sure. Tell me more about the evil geniuses are trying to infiltrate our minds.

"It's okay to be white" is a white supremacist dog whistle. No one said it's not okay to be white. People use this phrase to imply white people are under attack for being white, therefore perpetuating white supremacists' Big Lie of white persecution.

The sentence does not have a literal meaning, it's code for the lie that there is widespread discrimination against white people.

I have seen multiple instances of anti-white sentiment, anti-white rhetoric, anti-white violence being perpetrated, and more or less being supported by the left, either by active or tacit support/ or by running interference and equivocating them.

I can’t tell you how many call for papers I have received where the main theme is “breaking down whiteness.” I can’t tell you how many classes I’ve sat in, lectures I’ve attended, and meetings I’ve participated in, where the sentiment was “white people are the problem.”

You can equivocate all you want, but within the academic and progressive sphere there is intense anti-white sentiment, clothed under the guise of “decolonization/diversity/inclusion/etc”.


As I said earlier, the progressive and far left would do well to realize that their rhetoric has largely facilitated the rise of the Alt-right. When your message is constantly littered with “you’re a white male your view is invalid,” “only white people can be racist” “white people can’t enjoy other cultures because it’s cultral appropriation” “white people caused all the worlds problems through imperialism and colonialism” when tacit support is given to groups like BAMN and antifa etc etc, when events like the one at Evergreen college is seen as par for the course, not an extreme oddity, then those same white people are going to respond negatively.

No matter how right you feel about expressing the sentiment, when you demonize an entire group of people, they’re going to respond negatively. When prevailing culture reinforces these ideas, they’re going to find acceptance in subcultures. When you drive people to the margins they’re going to unite in places they’re accepted. And guess what groups are accepting of whites who feel they’ve been unjustly demonized by academia and popular culture? You guessed it, neo-nazis.

[Reploid Productions]

Can we get back onto the topic of the news article and get off the white nationalism tangent? Topic is the news item about a protest and/or vandalism/threats outside the guy's home by a group allegedly aligned with AntiFa. Let's get back to that please.

[Mercuriuseudoro]

I have seen multiple instances of anti-white sentiment, anti-white rhetoric, anti-white violence being perpetrated, and more or less being supported by the left, either by active or tacit support/ or by running interference and equivocating them.

...

When you drive people to the margins they’re going to unite in places they’re accepted. And guess what groups are accepting of whites who feel they’ve been unjustly demonized by academia and popular culture? You guessed it, neo-nazis.

You have stated more or less that you feel that you've been unjustly demonized by academia and by popular culture, and then gone on to recognize Internet neon-nazi culture as a refuge for people with those feelings.

Does this mean that you are one of the neon-nazis?

How else do you identify, as a white person who has noticed the anti-white sentiment "echoing" through academia and media?

[Holy Tedalonia]

I have seen multiple instances of anti-white sentiment, anti-white rhetoric, anti-white violence being perpetrated, and more or less being supported by the left, either by active or tacit support/ or by running interference and equivocating them.

...

When you drive people to the margins they’re going to unite in places they’re accepted. And guess what groups are accepting of whites who feel they’ve been unjustly demonized by academia and popular culture? You guessed it, neo-nazis.

You have stated more or less that you feel that you've been unjustly demonized by academia and by popular culture, and then gone on to recognize Internet neon-nazi culture as a refuge for people with those feelings.

Does this mean that you are one of the neon-nazis?

How else do you identify, as a white person who has noticed the anti-white sentiment "echoing" through academia and media?

Jumping to conclusions like this, is what makes people cynical, thinking Tucker Carlson might not be a neo-nazi. We have plenty of boys who cry wolf already.

[Mercuriuseudoro]

Jumping to conclusions like this, is what makes people cynical, thinking Tucker Carlson might not be a neo-nazi. We have plenty of boys who cry wolf already.

I really don't understand your post.

What conclusion did I jump to? I just asked a question comparing two different points of his post.

Why would this make anyone cynical?

I guess, the only other thing I could interject here is that "white supremacist" and "neon-nazi" are the equivalent of the four letter words that those people use to describe the other side- "n-words", etc. No one actually identifies as a neon-nazi without some degree of irony, and it's usually just to troll people who think that this is a real thing and not a meme thing.

Nationalists, however, are a type of people that exist broadly and are multiplying.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Jumping to conclusions like this, is what makes people cynical, thinking Tucker Carlson might not be a neo-nazi. We have plenty of boys who cry wolf already.

I really don't understand your post.

What conclusion did I jump to? I just asked a question comparing two different points of his post.

Why would this make anyone cynical?

I guess, the only other thing I could interject here is that "white supremacist" and "neon-nazi" are the equivalent of the four letter words that those people use to describe the other side- "n-words", etc. No one actually identifies as a neon-nazi without some degree of irony, and it's usually just to troll people who think that this is a real thing and not a meme thing.

Nationalists, however, are a type of people that exist broadly and are multiplying.

I think lightly calling Tarsonis a neo-Nazi is jumping to conclusions.

[The Grims]

I have seen multiple instances of anti-white sentiment, anti-white rhetoric, anti-white violence being perpetrated, and more or less being supported by the left, either by active or tacit support/ or by running interference and equivocating them.

...

When you drive people to the margins they’re going to unite in places they’re accepted. And guess what groups are accepting of whites who feel they’ve been unjustly demonized by academia and popular culture? You guessed it, neo-nazis.

You have stated more or less that you feel that you've been unjustly demonized by academia and by popular culture, and then gone on to recognize Internet neon-nazi culture as a refuge for people with those feelings.

Does this mean that you are one of the neon-nazis?

Why do you keep referring to them.as Noble Gas Nazis ?

[Tarsonis]

I’ll answer these to clarify my position, but afterwards I think it best we listen to reppy.

I have seen multiple instances of anti-white sentiment, anti-white rhetoric, anti-white violence being perpetrated, and more or less being supported by the left, either by active or tacit support/ or by running interference and equivocating them.

...

When you drive people to the margins they’re going to unite in places they’re accepted. And guess what groups are accepting of whites who feel they’ve been unjustly demonized by academia and popular culture? You guessed it, neo-nazis.

You have stated more or less that you feel that you've been unjustly demonized by academia and by popular culture, and then gone on to recognize Internet neon-nazi culture as a refuge for people with those feelings.

Does this mean that you are one of the neon-nazis?

Myself, no because I find neo-nazi ideology detestable. And I won’t let the detestabile actions of one group push me into another detestable group, or embrace an ideology I abhor just to make friends. I’ve known too many good people of all colors, creeds, and orientations, to embrace such a toxic ideology.


But I’ve seen others do it, on both sides of the table and in multiple group orientations. A white nationalist is functionally no different than “gangs” “incels” “transtrenders,” “black nationalists” hell even islmic terrorists. Radicalism while diverse in participation is nearly uniform in execution. You have your leaders who are the true ideologues and manipulators, and then you have your followers. While some followers are genuine, the vast majority flock to these communities because they’re marginalized in some way by the greater society, and find community and commiserations with other people who feel similarly marginalized. They flock to leaders who say, “it’s not you that’s wrong it’s society that’s wrong. They hate us because we’re great and they’re jealous.” Or something to that effect. These marginalized individuals now have community, and validation, so long as they embrace the group’s creed. And the more publicity they have the more recruits they get because the more people they inspire to join their ranks.

How else do you identify, as a white person who has noticed the anti-white sentiment "echoing" through academia and media?

As a perpetually pissed off individual, but not really belonging to any ideological group. I’m a Catholic Veteran and I tend to lean republican. Beyond that I don’t recognize many labels.

[Ifreann]

And the police decided that her complaint warranted one car. So she probably didn't think they were trying to break in or threaten her.

So the police are reflective of how scared she was? Really?

Pretty much, yeah. If she'd really have been calling 911 in a terrified panic, begging for the police to save her from a dangerous mob, they would probably have taken that seriously and dispatched a lot of cars and started arresting people as soon as they arrived. Instead what they did is send one car, which arrived as people were already leaving, and the officers let them all go because they didn't do anything wrong, except the vandalism, and I guess they didn't see which person did that and didn't think it was worth the trouble of arresting everyone present to search them all for spray paint. We can infer from the police response that the 911 call was most likely a complaint from someone who wanted the loud people outside her house to fuck off.

It is, of course, theoretically possible that the police got a call begging for help from a dangerous mob and for some reason didn't really care and just sent a token response to see what was up, but that seems pretty unlikely, especially when we consider that the call would have been coming from the rich part of town.

As has been pointed out, Carlson's address is publicly available.

Not really. There's a few Tucker Carlsons. The one that lives in Washington DC does not publically show his address. It simply shows what city he lives in.

[Redacted]

You didn't even bother to check before typing that out, did you?

[Redacted pending mod confirmation that I would not be doxxing Tucker Carlson by explaining how I confirmed that his address is publicly listed]

According to Tucker, who was not present, the protesters tried to break his door down.

"What happened, honey?"
"They where slamming against the door!"

Literally that easy.

Here's the thing, though. I don't believe Tucker Carlson. Not when he says that there was damage to the door and there are photographs of the door undamaged and, reportedly, no mention of damage to the door in the police report.

They really don't, especially not in this context.

But they do.

But perhaps you could enlighten me as to what they meant.

I figure they meant that they'll come and protest at his house some more if he doesn't stop boosting white nationalists. Which is a redundant thing to say when you are already protesting outside someone's house, but hardly a threat of violence.

This is a substantive difference, as I explained.

No, there is not. And you've explained nothing as to what the substantive difference between those two synonymous statements is.

People trying to fit in a phrase that rhymes with "We will fight" and not really managing to keep the beat doesn't have the same meaning as, say, a phone call from an unknown number saying "We know where you live". Context matters, not just the semantic content of the words.

Right, and what was the purpose and context behind their chant?

The context was a protest against Tucker Carlson and his far-right rhetoric, the likes of which inspired the bombing campaign and synagogue shooting.

Fucking hell, man, I shouldn't need to tell you where this protest happened. You know the context.

Look, go outside, find a stick, crack it, and maybe consider whether it would be possible to uncrack it.

Uh, I don't know how to tell you this but a stick is not a door.

But wood is wood.

Oh my gods, you know that wood is what trees are made of, right?

And I've already explained to you it can be replaced so I see no point in continuing this line of thought any further. Move along.

Looks like the right place to me.

Not really.

[Redacted]

You've both clearly misunderstood me. Which isn't surprising. I was trying to say that someone's address being posted on Twitter doesn't make a protest outside their house dangerous. How could it? That makes no sense.

It was posted by the group which organized the protest. Which, ya know, says a lot about their intentions and gives more credence to their threats.

What does it say about their intention, exactly?

As has been pointed out, Tucker Carlson's address is listed in the white pages. If you think he's in so much danger from his address being online, call the Capitol Police.

Do I need to keep pointing out you're full of shit?

[Redacted]

[Tarsonis]

I really don't understand your post.

What conclusion did I jump to? I just asked a question comparing two different points of his post.

Why would this make anyone cynical?

I guess, the only other thing I could interject here is that "white supremacist" and "neon-nazi" are the equivalent of the four letter words that those people use to describe the other side- "n-words", etc. No one actually identifies as a neon-nazi without some degree of irony, and it's usually just to troll people who think that this is a real thing and not a meme thing.

Nationalists, however, are a type of people that exist broadly and are multiplying.

I think lightly calling Tarsonis a neo-Nazi is jumping to conclusions.

He didn’t lightly call anything. He read my argument, noticed I made it often and then he asked me a totally reasonable question based on those parameters. I took no offense

[Petrasylvania]

You have stated more or less that you feel that you've been unjustly demonized by academia and by popular culture, and then gone on to recognize Internet neon-nazi culture as a refuge for people with those feelings.

Does this mean that you are one of the neon-nazis?

How else do you identify, as a white person who has noticed the anti-white sentiment "echoing" through academia and media?

Jumping to conclusions like this, is what makes people cynical, thinking Tucker Carlson might not be a neo-nazi. We have plenty of boys who cry wolf already.

Tucker isn't a neoNazi. He's just the exact sort of useful idiot neoNazis love. Like how Ron DeSantis isn't a racist but actual racists think he's one of their own.

[Petrasylvania]

You have stated more or less that you feel that you've been unjustly demonized by academia and by popular culture, and then gone on to recognize Internet neon-nazi culture as a refuge for people with those feelings.

Does this mean that you are one of the neon-nazis?

Why do you keep referring to them.as Noble Gas Nazis ?

They do consider Zyklon-B to be a noble gas after all.

[Tarsonis]

Why do you keep referring to them.as Noble Gas Nazis ?

They do consider Zyklon-B to be a noble gas after all.

You know, it was a perfectly serviceable pesticide before its more famous application....

[Petrasylvania]

They do consider Zyklon-B to be a noble gas after all.

You know, it was a perfectly serviceable pesticide before its more famous application....

The Nazis considered Jews to be pests after all. Using chemicals agents would have been acknowledging them human.