ANTIFA Mob Vandalizes Tucker Carlson’s Home

[Harmonian Hegemony]

No it isn't.

The Rallying Cry of the "Anti-Racists".

Pretty sure 'It's OK to be white' is a white nationalist term

[Kaggeceria]

The Rallying Cry of the "Anti-Racists".

Pretty sure 'It's OK to be white' is a white nationalist term

This is kind of the whole point of the term, really, to point out the hypocrisy of people like you.

The term means what it says. It's okay to be white. Nothing more, nothing less. And yet when leftists see it they immediately fly off the rails and cry racism, white nationalism and white supremacism. All of that based purely on a simple slogan that it's okay to be of a certain race.

[Caracasus]

Still going? Bloody hell..

When this all started, I genuinely thought that this was quite a rowdy mob. I figured that the reports had been exaggerated somewhat (hell, first hand experience would tell anyone that what happens on the ground at a protest and what actually gets reported - or not reported - are often quite different) but not to this extent.

So we've got a bunch of people with four legal observers (is that the correct term for the green hats there to observe first amendment rights and all that?) protesting outside someone's house.

As it turns out, no-one cracked the door. A pre-recorded statement was read over a megaphone and someone said "we know where you sleep at night!"

Now I'd agree that if a drug dealer and a bunch of their mates were outside someone's house saying "we know where you sleep at night!" that could be considered a threat to someone's life. Claiming a bunch of protesters with placards and that were genuinely threatening this person's life? That's simply not credible at all. Likely they were threatening to continue protesting at a later date.

Oh, and someone left some posters on a car and one person sprayed an anarchist symbol on a driveway - much to the disgust of the other protesters apparently.

As darkly hilarious as it is to watch the usual suspects who bend over backwards to justify allowing actual fascists the freedom to air their "views" call this threatening behaviour, it's also fundamentally fucked in the head.

[Hirota]

So you're not talking about a threat in a legal sense, only what you subjectively think could concievably be interpret as a threat, given enough viewings of certain mafia movies. Got it.

Now I'd agree that if a drug dealer and a bunch of their mates were outside someone's house saying "we know where you sleep at night!" that could be considered a threat to someone's life. Claiming a bunch of protesters with placards and that were genuinely threatening this person's life? That's simply not credible at all. Likely they were threatening to continue protesting at a later date.

We are in a culture now where being threatened, or in fear for oneself is an entirely subjective construct, where it is accepted (at least in some quarters) that someone can be in fear or feel threatened for much sillier reasons (or at least sillier as I consider them. Your mileage may vary obviously, but that's kind of the point).

People feel threatened in universities by people with dissenting views - even if they will not be present to hear it, people fear being alone in the same room as someone else (not for fear of being raped, but rather out of a fear of being accused of rape). We have people feeling threatened because someone said something mean about them on Twitter or 4chan.

With that in mind, if feeling threatened truly is subjective, is determined in the mind of the individual, and not set to a universal standard, then it's perfectly viable for someone to feel threatened when actually confronted with someone who says something as innane as "we know where you live" when in a peaceful protest.

I personally think this indulging in the weaponisation of fear is stupid, but lets not pretend it's new or novel somehow, or that it's confined to the Carlson household.

[Dahon]

Firstly, it IS okay to be white.

No it isn't.

Unfreighted with innuendo? Yes, it is, but then that statement's been laid on thick with several helpings of innuendo.

[Vassenor]

No it isn't.

Unfreighted with innuendo? Yes, it is, but then that statement's been laid on thick with several helpings of innuendo.

Given that the group spouting it is also one of the groups that goes on endlessly about white genocides and the like.

[Myrensis]

Pretty sure 'It's OK to be white' is a white nationalist term

This is kind of the whole point of the term, really, to point out the hypocrisy of people like you.

no, the whole point of the term is to put a harmless veneer on their agenda so that their conservative allies can enthusiastically promote it while pretending not to and to lull the wishy washy centrists into thinking they're harmless.

All white nationalists are terrible people, but they're not all complete idiots. They know the quickest way to immediately alienate the 'normies' is to paste swastikas on everything and run around calling for the extermination of the niggers. So they quite deliberately adopt bland, 'harmless' seeming symbols and slogans so that they can wink-wink nudge-nudge eachother without raising red flags, and so that when people who do recognize it call them out they can do the whole 'Oh geez, everything is racist according to the left!" act.

[Sefy the Great]

No it isn't.

Unfreighted with innuendo? Yes, it is, but then that statement's been laid on thick with several helpings of innuendo.

i just realized that I've been pronouncing Innuendo as Ennuendo for 12 years now. f_ck.

[Hirota]

no, the whole point of the term is to put a harmless veneer on their agenda so that their conservative allies can enthusiastically promote it while pretending not to and to lull the wishy washy centrists into thinking they're harmless.

All white nationalists are terrible people, but they're not all complete idiots. They know the quickest way to immediately alienate the 'normies' is to paste swastikas on everything and run around calling for the extermination of the niggers. So they quite deliberately adopt bland, 'harmless' seeming symbols and slogans so that they can wink-wink nudge-nudge eachother without raising red flags, and so that when people who do recognize it call them out they can do the whole 'Oh geez, everything is racist according to the left!" act.

How very patronising to think that A) the right can do it without the masses recognising what is or isn't facist, racist rhetoric, and B) that the left has to point it out to save the "normies" from somehow accidentally turning facist.

No Myrensis, what you call "wishy washy" I call disenchantment with the belligerent tribalists. Most people are not fooled by the far-left or far-rights rabid bluster and overblown hyperbole, but rather just plain bored of it.

[Dahon]

That is of course an assumption at best -- not so much that people of whichever persuasion can see through it, but that they are disinclined to disbelieve the hyperbole spouted by both extremes. But whether or not this is the case is itself beside the point, as those who find themselves spouting the likes of "it's OK to be white" and the like as dogwhistles do believe they have the ear of both the president and the party in power.

[Hirota]

That is of course an assumption at best

Far less an assumption than claiming without evidence that the centrists and the masses believe either bunch of tribalists and need "saving" from tribalists A or B by the other bunch.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Firstly, it IS okay to be white.

No it isn't.

Why not?

[Petrasylvania]

No it isn't.

Why not?

It's okay to be white. It's not okay being a white supremacist and trying to pass it off as being plain white and anyone calling it out is a racist.

[Tarsonis]

Why not?

It's okay to be white. It's not okay being a white supremacist and trying to pass it off as being plain white and anyone calling it out is a racist.

True, but I didn't say that. I simply said "it IS okay to be white," not "it is okay to be white (supremacist)."

[Sefy the Great]

It's okay to be white. It's not okay being a white supremacist and trying to pass it off as being plain white and anyone calling it out is a racist.

True, but I didn't say that. I simply said "it IS okay to be white," not "it is okay to be white [supremacist]."

fixed it, changed it from normal brackets to square brackets (which are used for implication).
it's a common mistake, don't worry about it.

[Tarsonis]

The Rallying Cry of the "Anti-Racists".

Pretty sure 'It's OK to be white' is a white nationalist term

Yes, the "It's okay to be white"^TM campaign was a 4chan/alt-right ploy, to get people to over react etc etc. It's a white nationalist trolling campaign.


The point I was making is that, despite the origins of the campaign, it IS okay to be white. There's nothing wrong with being white, it's a phenotypal expression same as being black/brown/etc. This was also Tucker Carlson's point, not an endorsement of Alt-Right White Nationalism. And simply expressing an objectively valid sentiment, is not in and of itself and endorsment of white nationalist ideals.

It's the same as this bullshit over milk. Just because 4-chan trolls made a campaign to goad the left into thinking milk is a "Alt-right symbol" doesn't make milk any less nutritious or valuable. It's just fucking milk.

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Pretty sure 'It's OK to be white' is a white nationalist term

This is kind of the whole point of the term, really, to point out the hypocrisy of people like you.

The term means what it says. It's okay to be white. Nothing more, nothing less. And yet when leftists see it they immediately fly off the rails and cry racism, white nationalism and white supremacism. All of that based purely on a simple slogan that it's okay to be of a certain race.

I'd love to know who said "It's not okay to be white" in the first place.

[Ifreann]

Sounds like she wasn't as terrified as you want her to have been.

She locked herself in her room and called the police. Seemed pretty scared to me.

And the police decided that her complaint warranted one car. So she probably didn't think they were trying to break in or threaten her.

If I was I really think nothing would happen, because I'm pretty sure no one knows or cares who I am.

This is the most honest thing you have said thus far.

And no danger.

And I don't know how to explain to you that Tweets, which I assume were deleted when the people who posted them were banned, were not at the protest. Like. Twitter is a website. It's on the internet. It can't go to Tucker Carlson's house.

You're trying to assert that doxxing poses no threat.

How fascinating.

As has been pointed out, Carlson's address is publicly available.

They knocked on the door. That's very obviously not the same as trying to smash it.

According to him they tried to break it down.

According to Tucker, who was not present, the protesters tried to break his door down.

You know that they didn't.

But I do.

That's literally not the words they said.

They mean the same fucking thing.

They really don't, especially not in this context.

You see, this is what I mean by semantics. You nitpick at tiny little things. Right now you're attempting to argue over phrases that mean the exact same thing. You're good at arguing semantics. But when it comes to the actual substantive meat of the debate, you have nothing of value to contribute. You're piss poor at arguing subsantive things, and on some level you know. You simply try to cover it up under the guise of "I only post for entertainment and diversion." You have nothing to contribute, and I won't take you seriously any further. In fact, I don't even know why I was.

This is a substantive difference, as I explained.

I'm pointing out that you're wrong and you're persisting in being wrong.

Uh-huh, but you're not actually debating. Just childishly stomping your feet.

And you're wrong. You're trying to make it seem like they said "We know where you live" because people making threats say that. But they didn't say that. They were chanting "We know where you sleep at night". That doesn't have the same associations with threats. Especially when you consider that one protester had a tambourine to keep the beat, and they still fucked up and the chant broke down. 

Yes, they do. Holy shit, those phrases mean the same thing. I explained this to you already. Even broke it down word-by-word.

People trying to fit in a phrase that rhymes with "We will fight" and not really managing to keep the beat doesn't have the same meaning as, say, a phone call from an unknown number saying "We know where you live". Context matters, not just the semantic content of the words.

So when you were saying "repair", you meant "replace"?

You gotta get a dictionary. 

Things can be repaired, or replaced. Neither of us are door repairmen, so I doubt we'd know what it takes to fix a crack. But please, don't let me keep you from further useless wordplay.

Look, go outside, find a stick, crack it, and maybe consider whether it would be possible to uncrack it.

Uh, search for Tucker Carlson in Washington DC.

I sincerely doubt he keeps his address publicly listed.

Looks like the right place to me.

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So how many right wing NSG members live in Ireland? Pretty expensive to carry out a threat.

Not a threat. More of a test. If doxxing apparently isn't a danger then Iffy should have no fear sharing his address with the unwashed masses of NS.

You've both clearly misunderstood me. Which isn't surprising. I was trying to say that someone's address being posted on Twitter doesn't make a protest outside their house dangerous. How could it? That makes no sense.

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So how many right wing NSG members live in Ireland? Pretty expensive to carry out a threat.

It isn't a threat according to a number of people here so I'm curious to see if those folks will keep that line of thinking up when it's their info in question. I'm willing to bet nobody actually will.

As has been pointed out, Tucker Carlson's address is listed in the white pages. If you think he's in so much danger from his address being online, call the Capitol Police.

[Vassenor]

Pretty sure 'It's OK to be white' is a white nationalist term

This is kind of the whole point of the term, really, to point out the hypocrisy of people like you.

The term means what it says. It's okay to be white. Nothing more, nothing less. And yet when leftists see it they immediately fly off the rails and cry racism, white nationalism and white supremacism. All of that based purely on a simple slogan that it's okay to be of a certain race.

All white nationalists are terrible people, but they're not all complete idiots. They know the quickest way to immediately alienate the 'normies' is to paste swastikas on everything and run around calling for the extermination of the niggers. So they quite deliberately adopt bland, 'harmless' seeming symbols and slogans so that they can wink-wink nudge-nudge eachother without raising red flags, and so that when people who do recognize it call them out they can do the whole 'Oh geez, everything is racist according to the left!" act.

QED.

[Maisiestan]

All white nationalists are terrible people, but they're not all complete idiots. They know the quickest way to immediately alienate the 'normies' is to paste swastikas on everything and run around calling for the extermination of the [not saying this]. So they quite deliberately adopt bland, 'harmless' seeming symbols and slogans so that they can wink-wink nudge-nudge eachother without raising red flags, and so that when people who do recognize it call them out they can do the whole 'Oh geez, everything is racist according to the left!" act.

with this analysis in mind, let's check out this comment:

This is kind of the whole point of the term, really, to point out the hypocrisy of people like you.

The term means what it says. It's okay to be white. Nothing more, nothing less. And yet when leftists see it they immediately fly off the rails and cry racism, white nationalism and white supremacism. All of that based purely on a simple slogan that it's okay to be of a certain race.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnndd kaggeceria outs themself as a neo nazi! whoops!

[Myrensis]

no, the whole point of the term is to put a harmless veneer on their agenda so that their conservative allies can enthusiastically promote it while pretending not to and to lull the wishy washy centrists into thinking they're harmless.

All white nationalists are terrible people, but they're not all complete idiots. They know the quickest way to immediately alienate the 'normies' is to paste swastikas on everything and run around calling for the extermination of the niggers. So they quite deliberately adopt bland, 'harmless' seeming symbols and slogans so that they can wink-wink nudge-nudge eachother without raising red flags, and so that when people who do recognize it call them out they can do the whole 'Oh geez, everything is racist according to the left!" act.

How very patronising to think that A) the right can do it without the masses recognising what is or isn't facist, racist rhetoric, and B) that the left has to point it out to save the "normies" from somehow accidentally turning facist.

No Myrensis, what you call "wishy washy" I call disenchantment with the belligerent tribalists. Most people are not fooled by the far-left or far-rights rabid bluster and overblown hyperbole, but rather just plain bored of it.

Yes, because if there's one take away from the political and social changes of the last couple of years, it's how obviously most people are abandoning their tribalist outlook and embracing a future of one big happy family of humanity.

[Ifreann]

This is kind of the whole point of the term, really, to point out the hypocrisy of people like you.

The term means what it says. It's okay to be white. Nothing more, nothing less. And yet when leftists see it they immediately fly off the rails and cry racism, white nationalism and white supremacism. All of that based purely on a simple slogan that it's okay to be of a certain race.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnndd kaggeceria outs themself as a neo nazi! whoops!

No, no, he's just very enthusiastic about owning the liberals.

[Maisiestan]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnndd kaggeceria outs themself as a neo nazi! whoops!

No, no, he's just very enthusiastic about owning the liberals.

wink wink

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

All white nationalists are terrible people, but they're not all complete idiots. They know the quickest way to immediately alienate the 'normies' is to paste swastikas on everything and run around calling for the extermination of the [not saying this]. So they quite deliberately adopt bland, 'harmless' seeming symbols and slogans so that they can wink-wink nudge-nudge eachother without raising red flags, and so that when people who do recognize it call them out they can do the whole 'Oh geez, everything is racist according to the left!" act.

with this analysis in mind, let's check out this comment:

This is kind of the whole point of the term, really, to point out the hypocrisy of people like you.

The term means what it says. It's okay to be white. Nothing more, nothing less. And yet when leftists see it they immediately fly off the rails and cry racism, white nationalism and white supremacism. All of that based purely on a simple slogan that it's okay to be of a certain race.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnndd kaggeceria outs themself as a neo nazi! whoops!

Most neo-nazis say the left is overly quick to cry racism, but most people saying the left is overly quick to cry racism are not neo-Nazis.

[Hirota]

Yes, because if there's one take away from the political and social changes of the last couple of years, it's how obviously most people are abandoning their tribalist outlook and embracing a future of one big happy family of humanity.

I'd rather be accused of being optimistic in humanity and naive than becoming dogmatically entrenched in zealous political hooliganism for fanatical tribe A or fanatical tribe B.

If there is one thing we actually take away from the political and social changes of the last couple of years is how little tribalists are interested in solving the problem of polarisation, and far more interested in dragging everyone else down into the shit.