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Postby Vassenor » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:42 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:Let us mourn the untimely passing of Tucker Carlson's driveway, brutally painted by antifa thugs.

Freedom of speech and threatening people aren’t the same thing and you know it.


So what were the threats?
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:43 pm

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Kowani wrote:Freedom of speech and threatening people aren’t the same thing and you know it.


So what were the threats?

“We know where you live”
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:44 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what were the threats?

“We know where you live”

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Postby Alvecia » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:45 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what were the threats?

“We know where you live”

Again, not exactly a threat all on it's own. They were literally standing outside his house. That's just a statement of fact.

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Postby Kaggeceria » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:45 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what were the threats?

“We know where you live”

You're speaking with someone who apparently thinks a mob of masked hoodlums showing up at your house is the same thing as Christmas carolers.

Don't waste your time.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:47 pm

Alvecia wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:“We know where you live”

Again, not exactly a threat all on it's own. They were literally standing outside his house. That's just a statement of fact.

Give them all KKK uniforms and change his skin color.
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Alvecia wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:“We know where you live”

Again, not exactly a threat all on it's own. They were literally standing outside his house. That's just a statement of fact.

Yeah... they were just stating facts. Maybe they should have also said it was cold out.

It honestly takes an incalculable level of willful ignorance to try and not see the not-so-veiled threats here.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:48 pm

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Alvecia wrote:Again, not exactly a threat all on it's own. They were literally standing outside his house. That's just a statement of fact.

Give them all KKK uniforms and change his skin color.

The difference is that the KKK wants to hurt him because they're racist, Smash Racism DC just wants to hurt Tucker because he's the """""""""""""""""""""""Racist"""""""""""""""""""" one in the situation
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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:49 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Give them all KKK uniforms and change his skin color.

The difference is that the KKK wants to hurt him because they're racist, Smash Racism DC just wants to hurt Tucker because he's the """""""""""""""""""""""Racist"""""""""""""""""""" one in the situation

And yet it’s still a threat, regardless of who does it.
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Postby Demarvia » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:49 pm

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:50 pm

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Holy Tedalonia wrote:All the more reason to expect people who want to inflict harm upon him. If a extreme majority don’t love him, that means there’s a large minority that would like him to be dead. If I was that hated, I would find myself scared of a protest, which could have a potential killer in the mix.

The extreme majority of the world don't love you either. The extreme majority of the world don't love me. This is perfectly normal. Stop trying to make it seem dangerous and threatening.

Ah, I see. You’re contributing people who are apathetic, I removed those apathetic variables, due to their irrelevance in the “I love; I hate” pie chart. Regardless my point still stands, a lot of people who are familiar with Tucker Carlson’s rhetoric, doesn’t love him. That means a large minority really does hate him.

Luckily I live in a neighborhood full of none-asshole teens. But the Motives are different, teens like to be jerks and tp houses. A antifa member might see it as “he’s a fascist, I’m justified to treat him that way.” Different motives make potential murder man, a possible case. After all, we have we really on motive to determine what type of murder case it is. Self inflicted death? Suicide. Multiple dead? Serial killer. Etc

You are clearly not taking Halloween vandalism seriously enough. If teenagers are willing to break the law to harm their neighbours, that's basically as serious as murder.

Again, teens are nowhere near as dangerous as political activist/people. Lots of our presidents have been shot by people, due to powerful political frenzies.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:51 pm

Kowani wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Again, not exactly a threat all on it's own. They were literally standing outside his house. That's just a statement of fact.

Give them all KKK uniforms and change his skin color.

You're right. In that situation it would be a statement of opinion *nods*
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Alvecia wrote:Again, not exactly a threat all on it's own. They were literally standing outside his house. That's just a statement of fact.

Yeah... they were just stating facts. Maybe they should have also said it was cold out.

It honestly takes an incalculable level of willful ignorance to try and not see the not-so-veiled threats here.

Or maybe just overhyped hysteria to assume it was a threat against his persons. For all you know they plan on TP'ing his house next Halloween. By all accounts, the scale of the protest would indicate nothing more threatening than that

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:54 pm

Alvecia wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:“We know where you live”

Again, not exactly a threat all on it's own. They were literally standing outside his house. That's just a statement of fact.

A threat, is a statement that implies harm/a bad thing in general will happen to said individual. “We know where you live,” is a simple threat implying that your home ain’t gonna keep you safe.

What if it was the mafia who said it as opposed to political activists, would you still safe? A threat is the statement, that implies ill intent. A child threatening to punch you, isn’t all that threatening, but doesn’t change the fact it is indeed a threat.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:57 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Again, not exactly a threat all on it's own. They were literally standing outside his house. That's just a statement of fact.

A threat, is a statement that implies harm/a bad thing in general will happen to said individual. “We know where you live,” is a simple threat implying that your home ain’t gonna keep you safe.

What if it was the mafia who said it as opposed to political activists, would you still safe? A threat is the statement, that implies ill intent. A child threatening to punch you, isn’t all that threatening, but doesn’t change the fact it is indeed a threat.

That's a reasonably broad definition. Would certainly cover this situation, but also devalues the use of the word to be almost indistinguishable from a promise.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:03 pm

Alvecia wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:A threat, is a statement that implies harm/a bad thing in general will happen to said individual. “We know where you live,” is a simple threat implying that your home ain’t gonna keep you safe.

What if it was the mafia who said it as opposed to political activists, would you still safe? A threat is the statement, that implies ill intent. A child threatening to punch you, isn’t all that threatening, but doesn’t change the fact it is indeed a threat.

That's a reasonably broad definition. Would certainly cover this situation, but also devalues the use of the word to be almost indistinguishable from a promise.

A promise would more likely be something like, “we’ll be back.”

“We know where you live,” is a implying that they aren’t going to escape at their home, for even their house can’t escape their protests and promises. A phrase often used by members of the mafia, and other darker more sinister organizations. Based upon its history and how it was used, we can only assume at best, its a threat that they will harm them with politically charged protests even at their house, or at worst its a threat that their safety at home is non-existent.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:12 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:That's a reasonably broad definition. Would certainly cover this situation, but also devalues the use of the word to be almost indistinguishable from a promise.

A promise would more likely be something like, “we’ll be back.”

“We know where you live,” is a implying that they aren’t going to escape at their home, for even their house can’t escape their protests and promises. A phrase often used by members of the mafia, and other darker more sinister organizations. Based upon its history and how it was used, we can only assume at best, its a threat that they will harm them with politically charged protests even at their house, or at worst its a threat that their safety at home is non-existent.

I don't really agree that those two terms are particularly distinct. Both can hold equal connotations.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:20 pm

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Holy Tedalonia wrote:A promise would more likely be something like, “we’ll be back.”

“We know where you live,” is a implying that they aren’t going to escape at their home, for even their house can’t escape their protests and promises. A phrase often used by members of the mafia, and other darker more sinister organizations. Based upon its history and how it was used, we can only assume at best, its a threat that they will harm them with politically charged protests even at their house, or at worst its a threat that their safety at home is non-existent.

I don't really agree that those two terms are particularly distinct. Both can hold equal connotations.

How I see it, a threat is merely a promise with malicious or wrathful intent. I guess when it comes down to it, “We know where you live” can be interpreted as a threat or a promise. However historical use plays a role too. After all the swastika was originally a Hindu symbol, but most recognize it as the Nazi symbol. So using historical context such as mafia men going, “we know where you live,” has created a assumption that when people say that phrase that usually means ill intent, thus making it a threat.
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Postby Alvecia » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:24 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:I don't really agree that those two terms are particularly distinct. Both can hold equal connotations.

How I see it, a threat is merely a promise with malicious or wrathful intent. I guess when it comes down to it, “We know where you live” can be interpreted as a threat or a promise. However historical use plays a role too. After all the swastika was originally a Hindu symbol, but most recognize it as the Nazi symbol. So using historical context such as mafia men going, “we know where you live,” has created a assumption that when people say that phrase that usually means ill intent, thus making it a threat.

Also consider what you would define as a threat. Is promising to come back and repeat the little chant they did a threat? Certainly it's negative for Tucker, but in the grand scheme of things, pretty much harmless.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:30 pm

Alvecia wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:How I see it, a threat is merely a promise with malicious or wrathful intent. I guess when it comes down to it, “We know where you live” can be interpreted as a threat or a promise. However historical use plays a role too. After all the swastika was originally a Hindu symbol, but most recognize it as the Nazi symbol. So using historical context such as mafia men going, “we know where you live,” has created a assumption that when people say that phrase that usually means ill intent, thus making it a threat.

Also consider what you would define as a threat. Is promising to come back and repeat the little chant they did a threat? Certainly it's negative for Tucker, but in the grand scheme of things, pretty much harmless.

I never said the threat was going to be harmful. I merely said it promised ill intent. Every threat is a bark, but the bite is another matter entirely. People are hard to organize, and act appropriately. I imagine it wasn’t just a chant they make it out to be, I imagine some individuals shouted “Nazi scum” in between the chants. Giving more of a perceivable threat rather than a mere promise.
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:36 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:I don't really agree that those two terms are particularly distinct. Both can hold equal connotations.

How I see it, a threat is merely a promise with malicious or wrathful intent. I guess when it comes down to it, “We know where you live” can be interpreted as a threat or a promise. However historical use plays a role too. After all the swastika was originally a Hindu symbol, but most recognize it as the Nazi symbol. So using historical context such as mafia men going, “we know where you live,” has created a assumption that when people say that phrase that usually means ill intent, thus making it a threat.

So you're not talking about a threat in a legal sense, only what you subjectively think could concievably be interpret as a threat, given enough viewings of certain mafia movies. Got it.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:37 pm

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Petrasylvania wrote:Let us mourn the untimely passing of Tucker Carlson's driveway, brutally painted by antifa thugs.

Freedom of speech and threatening people aren’t the same thing and you know it.

Threatening to come back and protest some more? But liberals are supposed to be the thin-skinned snowflakes!
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:37 pm

Gravlen wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:How I see it, a threat is merely a promise with malicious or wrathful intent. I guess when it comes down to it, “We know where you live” can be interpreted as a threat or a promise. However historical use plays a role too. After all the swastika was originally a Hindu symbol, but most recognize it as the Nazi symbol. So using historical context such as mafia men going, “we know where you live,” has created a assumption that when people say that phrase that usually means ill intent, thus making it a threat.

So you're not talking about a threat in a legal sense, only what you subjectively think could concievably be interpret as a threat, given enough viewings of certain mafia movies. Got it.

It’s to vague to cover it as a crime without more evidence, I mean it in the subjective way as of right now.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:51 pm

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Ifreann wrote:People show up, knock on the door, read a prepared statement, make some noise and leave? It doesn't sound especially terrorising. Even the police don't seem to have taken it very seriously, since they only sent one patrol car and made no arrests.

Yes, a mob of

a dozen
people chanting that they know where you live, banging on your door and vandalizing your property seems bad.

Not especially.


Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So what were the threats?

“We know where you live”

They didn't say that, as I've already explained to you.


Kaggeceria wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:“We know where you live”

You're speaking with someone who apparently thinks a mob of masked hoodlums showing up at your house is the same thing as Christmas carolers.

Don't waste your time.

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Ifreann wrote:The extreme majority of the world don't love you either. The extreme majority of the world don't love me. This is perfectly normal. Stop trying to make it seem dangerous and threatening.

Ah, I see. You’re contributing people who are apathetic, I removed those apathetic variables, due to their irrelevance in the “I love; I hate” pie chart. Regardless my point still stands, a lot of people who are familiar with Tucker Carlson’s rhetoric, doesn’t love him. That means a large minority really does hate him.

So fucking what? You're saying that the people at this protest want his family to die because maybe some people hate him? That's insane.

You are clearly not taking Halloween vandalism seriously enough. If teenagers are willing to break the law to harm their neighbours, that's basically as serious as murder.

Again, teens are nowhere near as dangerous as political activist/people. Lots of our presidents have been shot by people, due to powerful political frenzies.

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It's completely stupid. It's transparently meant to make protests seem violent and you defined it as including defamation, which is a crime and not political.
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Postby Caracasus » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:16 pm

Eh. When I was living at my last place, next door neighbour one floor down seriously annoyed a few people. They woke me up shouting 'we know where you live you c***! Come down here I'm going to fucking kill you!' Up at him.

Now that was 'we know where you live' as a threat. (Weirdly the guy didn't take them up on that offer)

With the context of generally protesting what someone has said, coupled with their apparent disgust at one of their number spraying the sign and them inviting legal witnesses, I don't really see it as much of an actual, credible threat myself. Dickish? Sure, if you like. An actual threat? Nah, not exactly buying it.

Edit: And now there is apparently doubt that they even said that...
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