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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:56 am

San Lumen wrote:I hope he recovers fully. I and many others forbide her to pass on until 2025. She has already said she has no intention of retiring until then


She'll be 92 by 2025, an age where most have already kicked the bucket, and definitely not an age to be a Supreme Court judge.

She can retire in dignity and most Republicans will leave her alone from there forwards, or collapse dead in her seat during a hearing and get scorned and memed to hell and back fifteen times for being so stubborn and pulling a John McCain.

Seriously, my grandparents are both 80, and my mother is already begging them to finally retire. At 85 and occupying a critical government position, I think it's time to breathe in some fresh air instead of falling asleep on the judge bench.

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Postby Page » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:57 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Page wrote:
Dignity is a woman making her own choice about her own life, and deciding when she's done rather than armchair doctors deciding for her.


No, dignity is knowing when one has reached his limit and step down and spend her last few years in PEACE with her family.

She's being petty by being so stubborn despite repeated injuries that would've forced your average senior into retirement already.


Ageism, sexism, and right-wing ideology all blended together and passed off as "dignity", like a chef on Kitchen Nightmares telling Gordon Ramsay, "no, that wasn't frozen and microwaved."

It appears to me that you are salivating for the chance to let Trump put another right-wing ideologue on the court, and you're bitter and resentful that RBG won't do what you think she's supposed to do, as if she doesn't have the right to decide whether to keep her lifetime appointment.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:57 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I hope he recovers fully. I and many others forbide her to pass on until 2025. She has already said she has no intention of retiring until then


She'll be 92 by 2025, an age where most have already kicked the bucket, and definitely not an age to be a Supreme Court judge.

She can retire in dignity and most Republicans will leave her alone from there forwards, or collapse dead in her seat during a hearing and get scorned and memed to hell and back fifteen times for being so stubborn and pulling a John McCain.

Seriously, my grandparents are both 80, and my mother is already begging them to finally retire. At 85 and occupying a critical government position, I think it's time to breathe in some fresh air instead of falling asleep on the judge bench.

and let a conservative take her seat. Not a chance. If she was going to retire it should have been during Obama. she has the right to decide when she is going to retire. Not you or anyone else.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:58 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
On what topics?

On police and government overreach both of which he was for. I don’t know about guns though


Those are hardly right leaning things though. Every judge supports government overreach.

His only noteworthy ruling on guns was a vote to uphold regulations and he sure as shit wasn't going to vote against abortion or LGBT stuff. It might be nice to paint him as the poor abused moderate but he would landed firmly on the liberal side of the court.
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Postby Page » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:58 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:She can retire in dignity and most Republicans will leave her alone from there forwards, or collapse dead in her seat during a hearing and get scorned and memed to hell and back fifteen times for being so stubborn and pulling a John McCain.


I don't think RBG gives even a neutrino sized crap about scorn and memes.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:59 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Garland was supposed to be that.


Garland is a center left judge who was being appointed to replace one of the biggest name conservatives ever on the court. It's exactly like replacing RBG with someone like Kavanaugh lol

Surely compromise means appointing someone at least partially acceptable to both parties.


Kennedy negotiated with Trump to choose his own successor, was that a compromise?
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:59 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:On police and government overreach both of which he was for. I don’t know about guns though


Those are hardly right leaning things though. Every judge supports government overreach.

His only noteworthy ruling on guns was a vote to uphold regulations and he sure as shit wasn't going to vote against abortion or LGBT stuff. It might be nice to paint him as the poor abused moderate but he would landed firmly on the liberal side of the court.

and it was Obama's right to pick him and the Senate;s duty to hold a hearing. and they refused. Its like they have taken the attitude only we have a right to pick judges

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:59 am

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Thermodolia wrote:What fight? The gop is expected to get 54 in the senate. That’s no fight

He could nominate a open white supremacist bible thumper to the court and the Republicans would confirm

No they wouldn’t. Contrary to what you believe not all right wingers or republicans are white supremacists
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Postby Len Hyet » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:00 am

New Economic Bloc wrote:Apparently she fell and broke three ribs. She’s been hospitalized for observation.

If it’s serious, and she retires or worse, what could the results be?

I for one am shocked and stunned.

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1060534392634916864


https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/justic ... 018-11-08/

My best wishes to her for a speedy recovery. Falling at her age is dangerous, as is being in a hospital.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:00 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Garland was supposed to be that.


Garland is a center left judge who was being appointed to replace one of the biggest name conservatives ever on the court. It's exactly like replacing RBG with someone like Kavanaugh lol

But replacing center-right Kennedy with hard right Kavanaugh is perfectly fine. IOKIYAR.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:00 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I hope he recovers fully. I and many others forbide her to pass on until 2025. She has already said she has no intention of retiring until then


She'll be 92 by 2025, an age where most have already kicked the bucket, and definitely not an age to be a Supreme Court judge.

She can retire in dignity and most Republicans will leave her alone from there forwards, or collapse dead in her seat during a hearing and get scorned and memed to hell and back fifteen times for being so stubborn and pulling a John McCain.

Seriously, my grandparents are both 80, and my mother is already begging them to finally retire. At 85 and occupying a critical government position, I think it's time to breathe in some fresh air instead of falling asleep on the judge bench.

Maybe she can strike a deal. She retires and they replace her with a moderate
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:01 am

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Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
No, dignity is knowing when one has reached his limit and step down and spend her last few years in PEACE with her family.

She's being petty by being so stubborn despite repeated injuries that would've forced your average senior into retirement already.


Ageism, sexism, and right-wing ideology all blended together and passed off as "dignity", like a chef on Kitchen Nightmares telling Gordon Ramsay, "no, that wasn't frozen and microwaved."

It appears to me that you are salivating for the chance to let Trump put another right-wing ideologue on the court, and you're bitter and resentful that RBG won't do what you think she's supposed to do, as if she doesn't have the right to decide whether to keep her lifetime appointment.


Can you kindly fly away with your stupid meaningless buzzwords?

I hold the exact same stance towards my grandparents, who really need to stop working altogether and enjoy what little time they have left with us.

She's no exception, she needs to actually have some goddamn time left for herself instead of pretending she's doing it for some sort of greater good.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:01 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:He could nominate a open white supremacist bible thumper to the court and the Republicans would confirm

No they wouldn’t. Contrary to what you believe not all right wingers or republicans are white supremacists

Never said that. But I very much doubt they would reject any Supreme Court nominee.

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Postby Page » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:01 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Garland was supposed to be that.


Garland is a center left judge who was being appointed to replace one of the biggest name conservatives ever on the court. It's exactly like replacing RBG with someone like Kavanaugh lol


The Supreme Court was never supposed to be about political ideology or a balance of conservatives and liberals. The Supreme Court are meant to serve no one except for the American people, they are not meant to be Presidential lapdogs like Kavanaugh, given a prestigious job in exchange for a promise to tolerate Trump's abuse of executive power.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:02 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Garland is a center left judge who was being appointed to replace one of the biggest name conservatives ever on the court. It's exactly like replacing RBG with someone like Kavanaugh lol

But replacing center-right Kennedy with hard right Kavanaugh is perfectly fine. IOKIYAR.


More like it's only okay to do that when your side holds the Senate.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:02 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:On police and government overreach both of which he was for. I don’t know about guns though


Those are hardly right leaning things though. Every judge supports government overreach.

His only noteworthy ruling on guns was a vote to uphold regulations and he sure as shit wasn't going to vote against abortion or LGBT stuff. It might be nice to paint him as the poor abused moderate but he would landed firmly on the liberal side of the court.

I just remember that he was extremely pro-police. Like to the point I think he was willing to call police brutality not an issue
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:03 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
She'll be 92 by 2025, an age where most have already kicked the bucket, and definitely not an age to be a Supreme Court judge.

She can retire in dignity and most Republicans will leave her alone from there forwards, or collapse dead in her seat during a hearing and get scorned and memed to hell and back fifteen times for being so stubborn and pulling a John McCain.

Seriously, my grandparents are both 80, and my mother is already begging them to finally retire. At 85 and occupying a critical government position, I think it's time to breathe in some fresh air instead of falling asleep on the judge bench.

Maybe she can strike a deal. She retires and they replace her with a moderate

Like the Repubs would actually follow through on their end.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:03 am

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Those are hardly right leaning things though. Every judge supports government overreach.

His only noteworthy ruling on guns was a vote to uphold regulations and he sure as shit wasn't going to vote against abortion or LGBT stuff. It might be nice to paint him as the poor abused moderate but he would landed firmly on the liberal side of the court.

and it was Obama's right to pick him and the Senate;s duty to hold a hearing. and they refused. Its like they have taken the attitude only we have a right to pick judges

No it’s the senates job to advise and consent. They clearly didn’t consent
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Postby Page » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:04 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
She's no exception, she needs to actually have some goddamn time left for herself instead of pretending she's doing it for some sort of greater good.


Ever consider that she does it for herself? That maybe she'd rather do this job than not, regardless of the political situation? Are you suggesting that every old person would rather not work if they had the choice?
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:05 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Maybe she can strike a deal. She retires and they replace her with a moderate

Like the Repubs would actually follow through on their end.


And pretend that the Dems are precious little angels incapable of evil?

Both sides are snakes, ready to spit their venom into the people's eyes once they hold THEIR upper ground.

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:05 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Garland is a center left judge who was being appointed to replace one of the biggest name conservatives ever on the court. It's exactly like replacing RBG with someone like Kavanaugh lol

But replacing center-right Kennedy with hard right Kavanaugh is perfectly fine. IOKIYAR.

Kav wasn’t hard right when the hearings started but the democrats made such a mess of them that they inadvertently pushed him towards the right
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Postby Berdan » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:05 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Valrifell wrote:The reasoning is her career becomes moot if she retires now. She's a tough and stubborn lady, she wouldn't retire if the entire country wanted her to.


Is she seriously going to pull a John McCain and go into the grave with hatred?

Truly dignity means nothing to political rabid dogs.

TIL Republicans are now throwing John Mc-Fucking-Cain under the bus because he diddn't kowtow to a man who specifically went out of his way to insult everything McCain stood for.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:05 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Maybe she can strike a deal. She retires and they replace her with a moderate

Like the Repubs would actually follow through on their end.

There's no rule the Supreme Court has to have 9 members. She could wait for them to confirm an appointment and then retire.
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Postby Len Hyet » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:05 am

Petrasylvania wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Maybe she can strike a deal. She retires and they replace her with a moderate

Like the Repubs would actually follow through on their end.

Speaking historically it's the Democrats who most often fuck over a compromise (see: bullet buttons, the Hughes Amendment, HPA & Fix NICS)
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Postby Page » Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:05 am

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Those are hardly right leaning things though. Every judge supports government overreach.

His only noteworthy ruling on guns was a vote to uphold regulations and he sure as shit wasn't going to vote against abortion or LGBT stuff. It might be nice to paint him as the poor abused moderate but he would landed firmly on the liberal side of the court.

and it was Obama's right to pick him and the Senate;s duty to hold a hearing. and they refused. Its like they have taken the attitude only we have a right to pick judges


And you know what the saddest thing is? If the Democrats had taken the Senate, they would have been too damn weak to repay the favor and to block nominees from Trump for the rest of his term.
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